Soldiers and warriors throughout history : courageous, stupid, or insane ?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Redgarl"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Many does NOT equal all. But for the sake of argument....give me your credentials with first hand military experience.

Redgarl

Platoon...

:lol: A movie....oh yes, Hollywood knows everything. PS...that's not first hand military experience.

You sure do anyway, you know everything...

Think a little... you are in vietnam and the only thing you could do to forget the damn thing is what... killing wild pigs of course!

If you need a definitive answer, just find it yourself. Why would I need to prove myself if you are the one implying the contrary?

Also, do you remember Troy? Didn't the whole Troyan army drink to death? I think that's properly the historical proof you needed.

Like I said, before speaking, try to think a little... Would you imply that Oliver Stone or Clint Eastwood opinion is not worthy of yours? If you believe so, I'm right about the whole damn thing that I told you about your ego which bring your arguments to pieces because you can be considered to have mental illness which could destroy most of your own believes, could you be really sure of what you think?

You do know he was in the military don't you?

Mostly honourable and courageous. They deserve all the praise they receive, no matter how unjust the war may be. It is the people moving the chess pieces that be condemned for their actions.foxhound_fox

The chess peices are aweosme but the chess players suck badly most of the time, but the pawns are infantry, the castles are tanks, the knights are commandos, the bishops are elite gaurds, and the queens are jedi, and Kings are generals.

As far as everything else goes. (Cooks, mechanics, engineers, technicians, supplies, air combat corridinators, ETC are, um, something else.)

The actual board is the earth itself.

I have respect for some soldiers, but no the ones who just simply put their cause for fighting like this: "If the president thinks I should fight, then I will fight", I think they should have a mind of their own. That quote was refering to a Vietnam war soldier, not an Iraq War soldier...DejaVu72

Soldiers have to obey a lawful order. If war is declared they can't refuse to fight.

Soldiers are courageous no doubt. They do what most of the country would not, risk there lives in the defence of the country and its people.

[QUOTE="Redgarl"]

You sure do anyway, you know everything...

Think a little... you are in vietnam and the only thing you could do to forget the damn thing is what... killing wild pigs of course!

If you need a definitive answer, just find it yourself. Why would I need to prove myself if you are the one implying the contrary?

Also, do you remember Troy? Didn't the whole Troyan army drink to death? I think that's properly the historical proof you needed.

Like I said, before speaking, try to think a little... Would you imply that Oliver Stone or Clint Eastwood opinion is not worthy of yours? If you believe so, I'm right about the whole damn thing that I told you about your ego which bring your arguments to pieces because you can be considered to have mental illness which could destroy most of your own believes, could you be really sure of what you think?

LJS9502_basic

Considering I spent four years in the Army....I know a hell of a lot more than you regarding this question.

Viet Nam jungle did not have alcohol. Marijuana I'd agree with.....alcohol...no. Only when they were in town. Fail.

It's not what I think...it's what I know. Experience beats no experience. ;)

So once again because you believe that your experience tell everything with today standard you are refering me as someone who is wrong? That's right? So would you explain why does victory of battles are making so much alchol flows?

It's been like this for centuries, but I agree that by today standard a soldier boozing on duty could be embarassing and this is not what I have mean on the first place. The whole point was simply showing that alchol is part of the image soldier for a damn historical reason. it's even in question in novels.

Ohhhh, I just remembered a good one... ahah, how would I have though it could be of use one day. The french lost the battle of Les Plaines d'Abraham at Quebec due to the overuse of alchol...

So once again because you believe that your experience tell everything with today standard you are refering me as someone who is wrong? That's right? So would you explain why does victory of battles are making so much alchol flows?

It's been like this for centuries, but I agree that by today standard a soldier boozing on duty could be embarassing and this is not what I have mean on the first place. The whole point was simply showing that alchol is part of the image soldier for a damn historical reason. it's even in question in novels.

Ohhhh, I just remembered a good one... ahah, how would I have though it could be of use one day. The french lost the battle of Les Plaines d'Abraham at Quebec due to the overuse of alchol...

Redgarl

Yep...you are 100% wrong. To continue arguing with me over something in which you have no first hand knowledge or experience defies logic.

Using movies and novels to try to prove a point is reaching. My initial post said NOT ALL SOLDIERS DRINK. Now show me accurate evidence stating the contrary.

I never stated soldiers never drink....I said not to generalize, They have off duty hours just like everyone else does. It's a fact that SOME PEOPLE choose to drink. That does NOT mean that everyone drinks. It's the same with the military which is made up of a cross population...drinkers, non drinkers...and the occasional drinker.

Now...are you going to continue to argue this even though you're not making ANY points?

I think even within the same person there is a little of each. War calls upon each of these qualities at one point or another. There is going to be a moment where you have to do something totaly insane, outrageously stupid, and you definitly need balls of steel to function while everything else around you is going up in flames.

I found myself once in the middle of a very crazy situation in whichI literaly froze for what seemed an eternity. During that time all sorts of things were happening around me while I just watched, I didnt feel scared though not until I was out of danger. Any ways I dont know what it was that shook me but I got up and just ran to the other side of the street and ducked behind a car. What happened was that a police vehicle was chasing a another car and they were shooting back and forth between themselves. I was riding my bike and had just reached theintersectionwhen the first car skidded right in front of me and crashed into the curb opposite of me while the police vehicle rammed another car that had tried to cross at the same moment. The guys that were being chased ran out of the vehicle and two of them started running in my direction while shooting at the cops . I was in the middle. I just watched like it was a movie or something. and then for some reason I jist jumped off the bike and ran behind a car across the street. By then the cops had opened fire and killed one of them just feet away from me. Another one was killed while shooting from behind the car they came on.. after I saw what happend to that guynear me I started to worry and reality struck me. I stoped peeking and just hid behind the car, And after what seemd like3 minutes and hearing like 10 shots It got (quiet) not realy but most of the commotion had stoped. I figuered I could go out when I heard someone moving my bike (jajaj some busterd tried to take my bike) so I walked over and said something like "hey my bike" the guy just handed it over and left. Any way thats when I started feeling realy nervous and my legs started shaking bad. I swear dragged my bike back to the car i was hiding behind and just sat there for a while watching the people start to crowd the corner. I started feeling sick at that moment just broke out in cold sweat and couldnt stand up cause my legs felt weak, and i felt like when your falling ( I had the same feeling once after bungee jumping only i wasnt scared then)

Any ways that must have taken like 1 minute or 2 at the most and I swear i wanst quite myself for a few days afterwards I cant even begin to imagine what that must be like on a contiuous basis. I mean between the cops and thoses guys I think that they had a few handguns and maybe even a shot gun. Imagine going out In the middle of machine gun fire artillery and land mines and what not, and try to do something like take out a target, All I did was run for cover and peak a little.

Although not average my sitiuation was nothing compared to just a minute of what happended on D-Day. I guess courage is a major characteristic among soldiers.

[QUOTE="Redgarl"]

So once again because you believe that your experience tell everything with today standard you are refering me as someone who is wrong? That's right? So would you explain why does victory of battles are making so much alchol flows?

It's been like this for centuries, but I agree that by today standard a soldier boozing on duty could be embarassing and this is not what I have mean on the first place. The whole point was simply showing that alchol is part of the image soldier for a damn historical reason. it's even in question in novels.

Ohhhh, I just remembered a good one... ahah, how would I have though it could be of use one day. The french lost the battle of Les Plaines d'Abraham at Quebec due to the overuse of alchol...

LJS9502_basic

Yep...you are 100% wrong. To continue arguing with me over something in which you have no first hand knowledge or experience defies logic.

Using movies and novels to try to prove a point is reaching. My initial post said NOT ALL SOLDIERS DRINK. Now show me accurate evidence stating the contrary.

I never stated soldiers never drink....I said not to generalize, They have off duty hours just like everyone else does. It's a fact that SOME PEOPLE choose to drink. That does NOT mean that everyone drinks. It's the same with the military which is made up of a cross population...drinkers, non drinkers...and the occasional drinker.

Now...are you going to continue to argue this even though you're not making ANY points?

Despite the fact that I agree with you, I will play devils advocate with ya.

All soldiers drink and I have first hand experience! You are wrong. Iam right!

owned noob!!!...

Stupidly insanely courageous soldiersAle_22

Most good warriors in History had all three qualities.

They all think they are being courageous, and most of them are too stupid to realize what they are really fighting for. And most of the good warriors would not have been so good, if they had not been slightly mental.

Depends on teh era; Spartans were considered normal, for example. However, because of social conditioning, the soldiers who fight are all of the above, none of the above or some of the above. The good fighters are all of the above, and dedicated. They see their task as righteous, because it is their task and their task alone - which is the same with anyone who does what they want to do in life.

every soldiers reason for war can be justified by his personal beliefs. When it comes down to it no soldier is wrong, each do what they believe and what right do we have to say there beliefs are wrong.

exapmle, watch letters from iwo jima. when you see the war from the japanese point of view you see why they were willing to kill and fight, and when compared to a US soldier they were both the same reasons, just for a different belief.

I would say it requires alot of courage to do what these guys do. I mean, I'm joining the army as a tank crewman, but I think it takes alot of courage and bravery to go through what some of the soldiers in history had to go through.

For an example, imagine being one of those American soldiers on Omaha Beach, just waiting for that metal door infront of you to open. That metal door could have been the last thing you ever saw, or one of those British troops in a trench during WW1 waiting for that whistle to blow before you charge over the top.Doom_HellKnight

[QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"]I would say it requires alot of courage to do what these guys do. I mean, I'm joining the army as a tank crewman, but I think it takes alot of courage and bravery to go through what some of the soldiers in history had to go through.

For an example, imagine being one of those American soldiers on Omaha Beach, just waiting for that metal door infront of you to open. That metal door could have been the last thing you ever saw, or one of those British troops in a trench during WW1 waiting for that whistle to blow before you charge over the top.Int7nse

Many a tank has been blown the hell up in Iraq. I feel much safer on my feet.