Some atheist arguments which I do not care for.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]Nope dont understand why anyone would want to base such a large part of their life around something that could not be proven. Seems silly to me.Genetic_Code

If God exists, it might very well be possible that He can be proven. Just because He can't be proven now does not mean He will never be proven.

Genetic, always like your posts, but after all these years why do you think he could be proven now or in the future. I tend to believe he would have left tangible evidence during his lifetime, I guess maybe we could find that?

Nope dont understand why anyone would want to base such a large part of their life around something that could not be proven. Seems silly to me.htekemerald

*cough* Evolution *cough*

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[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="123625"]Do you even know what a christian is?htekemerald

Its simplest form is: One who beleives that Jesus resseructed for all humanity's sins.

I said thats the simplest term, there are other more precise definitions.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]Nope dont understand why anyone would want to base such a large part of their life around something that could not be proven. Seems silly to me.harashawn

*cough* Evolution *cough*

There is mountains of evidence to support evolution.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]Nope dont understand why anyone would want to base such a large part of their life around something that could not be proven. Seems silly to me.harashawn

*cough* Evolution *cough*

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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]Nope dont understand why anyone would want to base such a large part of their life around something that could not be proven. Seems silly to me.htekemerald

*cough* Evolution *cough*

Did I say it was a religion?

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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]Nope dont understand why anyone would want to base such a large part of their life around something that could not be proven. Seems silly to me.btaylor2404

If God exists, it might very well be possible that He can be proven. Just because He can't be proven now does not mean He will never be proven.

Genetic, always like your posts, but after all these years why do you think he could be proven now or in the future. I tend to believe he would have left tangible evidence during his lifetime, I guess maybe we could find that?

The Gospels aren't tangible?

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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]Nope dont understand why anyone would want to base such a large part of their life around something that could not be proven. Seems silly to me.FamiBox

*cough* Evolution *cough*

There is mountains of evidence to support evolution.

But it is not proven.

Just like gravity, electricity, friction or behavioral confirmation.

Because, you see, nothing can be proven in science.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]Nope dont understand why anyone would want to base such a large part of their life around something that could not be proven. Seems silly to me.Theokhoth

If God exists, it might very well be possible that He can be proven. Just because He can't be proven now does not mean He will never be proven.

Genetic, always like your posts, but after all these years why do you think he could be proven now or in the future. I tend to believe he would have left tangible evidence during his lifetime, I guess maybe we could find that?

The Gospels aren't tangible?

No Theo. Neither are any of the pre-christian classical works about the Greek gods, the Qu'ran or other ancient books. They were written by man. They may claim to have the word of God in them but still were written by man. Think about the worldview at that time, the world was flat, the way many races and females were treated, how diseases were looked at, and it's not hard to understand why many Atheists have a hard time taking them as fact.

No Theo. Neither are any of the pre-christian classical works about the Greek gods, the Qu'ran or other ancient books. They were written by man. They may claim to have the word of God in them but still were written by man. Think about the worldview at that time, the world was flat, the way many races and females were treated, how diseases were looked at, and it's not hard to understand why many Atheists have a hard time taking them as fact.

btaylor2404

Tangible:

perceptible by the senses especially the sense of touch; "skin with a tangible roughness"

palpable: capable of being perceived; especially capable of being handled or touched or felt; "a barely palpable dust"; "felt sudden anger in a palpable wave"; "the air was warm and close--palpable as cotton"; "a palpable lie"

You asked for tangible evidence. There it is.

No Theo. Neither are any of the pre-christian classical works about the Greek gods, the Qu'ran or other ancient books. They were written by man. They may claim to have the word of God in them but still were written by man. Think about the worldview at that time, the world was flat, the way many races and females were treated, how diseases were looked at, and it's not hard to understand why many Atheists have a hard time taking them as fact.

btaylor2404

The gospels were written by people who were there.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

No Theo. Neither are any of the pre-christian classical works about the Greek gods, the Qu'ran or other ancient books. They were written by man. They may claim to have the word of God in them but still were written by man. Think about the worldview at that time, the world was flat, the way many races and females were treated, how diseases were looked at, and it's not hard to understand why many Atheists have a hard time taking them as fact.

Theokhoth

Tangible:

perceptible by the senses especially the sense of touch; "skin with a tangible roughness"

palpable: capable of being perceived; especially capable of being handled or touched or felt; "a barely palpable dust"; "felt sudden anger in a palpable wave"; "the air was warm and close--palpable as cotton"; "a palpable lie"

You asked for tangible evidence. There it is.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

No Theo. Neither are any of the pre-christian classical works about the Greek gods, the Qu'ran or other ancient books. They were written by man. They may claim to have the word of God in them but still were written by man. Think about the worldview at that time, the world was flat, the way many races and females were treated, how diseases were looked at, and it's not hard to understand why many Atheists have a hard time taking them as fact.

harashawn

The gospels were written by people who were there.

Another definition of Tangible: 2.real or actual, rather than imaginary or visionaryhtekemerald

The Gospels aren't real now?

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

No Theo. Neither are any of the pre-christian classical works about the Greek gods, the Qu'ran or other ancient books. They were written by man. They may claim to have the word of God in them but still were written by man. Think about the worldview at that time, the world was flat, the way many races and females were treated, how diseases were looked at, and it's not hard to understand why many Atheists have a hard time taking them as fact.

htekemerald

The gospels were written by people who were there.

They were Jesus' disciples.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

No Theo. Neither are any of the pre-christian classical works about the Greek gods, the Qu'ran or other ancient books. They were written by man. They may claim to have the word of God in them but still were written by man. Think about the worldview at that time, the world was flat, the way many races and females were treated, how diseases were looked at, and it's not hard to understand why many Atheists have a hard time taking them as fact.

harashawn

The gospels were written by people who were there.

They were Jesus' disciples.

Genetic, always like your posts, but after all these years why do you think he could be proven now or in the future. I tend to believe he would have left tangible evidence during his lifetime, I guess maybe we could find that?

btaylor2404

I'd personally like to understand why god does or does not exist. I'd much rather know the answer now than later, but I'd much rather not know the answer ever than to assume otherwise. To answer your question, I do think that if God exists, then we could find tangible evidence. However, it's not necessary that we have this evidence. Even if God exists, He could still do so in disguise. This then calls into question God's modus operandi.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Another definition of Tangible: 2.real or actual, rather than imaginary or visionaryTheokhoth

The Gospels aren't real now?

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Another definition of Tangible: 2.real or actual, rather than imaginary or visionaryTheokhoth

The Gospels aren't real now?

They are fairy tales,htekemerald

So is evolution.:P

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]They are fairy tales,harashawn

So is evolution.:P

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]I have yet to see a convincing argument that god exists.harashawn

:roll: I have yet to see a convincing argument that God doesn't exist.

See what I did there?

I have no proof the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist. Therefore I should believe in him. Logical, eh? ;)

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

No Theo. Neither are any of the pre-christian classical works about the Greek gods, the Qu'ran or other ancient books. They were written by man. They may claim to have the word of God in them but still were written by man. Think about the worldview at that time, the world was flat, the way many races and females were treated, how diseases were looked at, and it's not hard to understand why many Atheists have a hard time taking them as fact.

Theokhoth

Tangible:

perceptible by the senses especially the sense of touch; "skin with a tangible roughness"

palpable: capable of being perceived; especially capable of being handled or touched or felt; "a barely palpable dust"; "felt sudden anger in a palpable wave"; "the air was warm and close--palpable as cotton"; "a palpable lie"

You asked for tangible evidence. There it is.

No Theo you gave me a couple of vague definitions I already knew. Bottom line, there is no way we can definitively prove God is real, or that he is not real.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]They are fairy tales,harashawn

So is evolution.:P

The common cold says hello

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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]They are fairy tales,Kuhu

So is evolution.:P

The common cold says hello

i dont think any doubts that things adapt to survive. i believe in evolution of viruses and tolerance to antibiotics and stuff. i just dont think that we evolved from nothing. obviously even some humans show basic forms of adaptation as some are born without appendixes. i just think we were created and things adapt as needed from there.

If god is omnipotent then he knows your furture which means you do not have free will, your life is already determined, its just playing out its course in gods mind.

And hes still gonna send you to hell for it anyway.

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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]They are fairy tales,metaldude05

So is evolution.:P

The common cold says hello

i dont think any doubts that things adapt to survive. i believe in evolution of viruses and tolerance to antibiotics and stuff. i just dont think that we evolved from nothing. obviously even some humans show basic forms of adaptation as some are born without appendixes. i just think we were created and things adapt as needed from there.

Keep in mind that the Theory of Evolution was never meant to be an explanation for the origin of life. Common misunderstanding. Try not to get them mixed up. Evolution can be used to explain the origin of man though, which doesn't say we came from nothing. Organisms in their present form have to have evolved from something more primitive. A primitive version of modern man isn't "nothing", nor was anything before that.

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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]They are fairy tales,Shad0ki11

So is evolution.:P

The common cold says hello

i dont think any doubts that things adapt to survive. i believe in evolution of viruses and tolerance to antibiotics and stuff. i just dont think that we evolved from nothing. obviously even some humans show basic forms of adaptation as some are born without appendixes. i just think we were created and things adapt as needed from there.

Keep in mind that the Theory of Evolution was never meant to be an explanation for the origin of life. Common misunderstanding. Try not to get them mixed up. Evolution can be used to explain the origin of man though, which doesn't say we came from nothing. Organisms in their present form have to have evolved from something more primitive. A primitive version of modern man isn't "nothing", nor was anything before that.

fair enough. sry, i was assuming you were under the assumption that it had to do with the origin of life. i know that the Theory of Evolution doesnt really explain the origin of life but alot of people use it to do very that (including alot of people on this site). I dont believe humans evolved from any other species, but we each have our own beliefs...no sense arguing in circles

Friendly reminder to various atheists in this thread most enlightened Christians know that the Old Testament is symbolic and not to be taken as literal truth.grapefruit21

So why should the New Testament be taken literally? Or even at all?

[QUOTE="grapefruit21"]Friendly reminder to various atheists in this thread most enlightened Christians know that the Old Testament is symbolic and not to be taken as literal truth.XaosII

So why should the New Testament be taken literally? Or even at all?

Because unliike the old, christian faith is completely based on the gospels being real.

[QUOTE="grapefruit21"]Friendly reminder to various atheists in this thread most enlightened Christians know that the Old Testament is symbolic and not to be taken as literal truth.XaosII

So why should the New Testament be taken literally? Or even at all?

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[QUOTE="grapefruit21"]Friendly reminder to various atheists in this thread most enlightened Christians know that the Old Testament is symbolic and not to be taken as literal truth.123625

So why should the New Testament be taken literally? Or even at all?

Because unliike the old, christian faith is completely based on the gospels being real.

I think the old is taken mostly metaphorically because it is mostly visions and dreams given by God to the authors of them. the new testament is more of a first hand account written by people who i believe walked with him or actually observed him.

Disclaimer: this is my view of it i know some dont believe this so please dont comment if your just going to bash it. have a valid argument if you quote this please

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[QUOTE="grapefruit21"]Friendly reminder to various atheists in this thread most enlightened Christians know that the Old Testament is symbolic and not to be taken as literal truth.grapefruit21

So why should the New Testament be taken literally? Or even at all?

As has been said many times before; the burden of proof lies with the affirmative. MindFreeze

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[QUOTE="grapefruit21"]Friendly reminder to various atheists in this thread most enlightened Christians know that the Old Testament is symbolic and not to be taken as literal truth.Megadeth425

So why should the New Testament be taken literally? Or even at all?

Actually, a lot of people say Genesis as 100% factual. The majority of Christians I've discussed relogion with and debated feel the Old Testament, in its entirety, is completely true. When, from experience, the majority holds a belief, it becomes valid to use that belief and argue against it in that debate.Megadeth425

I can't understand religion at all.

Isn't it obvious MAN came up with all this? The bible was written by MAN. (I'm not sure here) but do any christians believe that God or Jesus wrote the bible?

And I would like you to respond to this quote

"As soon as you explain to me why you dismiss all other possible gods, I'll explain to you why I dismiss yours."

I can't understand religion at all.

Isn't it obvious MAN came up with all this? The bible was written by MAN. (I'm not sure here) but do any christians believe that God or Jesus wrote the bible?

And I would like you to respond to this quote

"As soon as you explain to me why you dismiss all other possible gods, I'll explain to you why I dismiss yours."

PerilousWolf

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I can't understand religion at all.

Isn't it obvious MAN came up with all this? The bible was written by MAN. (I'm not sure here) but do any christians believe that God or Jesus wrote the bible?

And I would like you to respond to this quote

"As soon as you explain to me why you dismiss all other possible gods, I'll explain to you why I dismiss yours."

grapefruit21

But Men are flawed. Everyone. They were all capable of lying just a little. capable of just twisting the thruth so it sounded more inspiring. Men will lie, they will make things up, they will make mistaks and they are capable of 'inventing stories'. I am NOT saying that all things written in the bible are lies, I am saying that do you acknowledge, that the people who contributed to the bible were capable of at least making some of it up as they went? Surely that is a possibility?

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I can't understand religion at all.

Isn't it obvious MAN came up with all this? The bible was written by MAN. (I'm not sure here) but do any christians believe that God or Jesus wrote the bible?

And I would like you to respond to this quote

"As soon as you explain to me why you dismiss all other possible gods, I'll explain to you why I dismiss yours."

PerilousWolf

But Men are flawed. Everyone. They were all capable of lying just a little. capable of just twisting the thruth so it sounded more inspiring. Men will lie, they will make things up, they will make mistaks and they are capable of 'inventing stories'. I am NOT saying that all things written in the bible are lies, I am saying that do you acknowledge, that the people who contributed to the bible were capable of at least making some of it up as they went? Surely that is a possibility?

I am an athiest.. and i don't think like that.. i let people beleive what they want. i just don't believe in " god "

Very good. Excellent topic.

Here is something, I don't know about the rest of the World but, if the evidence for the Ressurection of Jesus Christ was put before a court in England, the only possible verdict, would be that he did indeed rise from the dead. And as soon as you believe Jesus did that, you must accept that God is real.