Something I heard in Church today....

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#1 TheArGaia
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Hey guys, I was at church today when the priest said "We need god to do well in our lives, we need God to guide our lives" Thats when I thought to myself, "Well, how come Atheists are doing so well then"? What do you guys think? Do you think the priest just had a poor choice of words? Or do you believe what he said?
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#2 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa
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Here we go again...

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#3 jimy1475
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dont go to church

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#4 VaguelyTagged
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technically if god existed,atheists still would benefit regardless of their denial.

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#5 mrmusicman247
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Lies. It's only 9:20. You did not go to church :x [spoiler] Why didn't you ask the pastor? [/spoiler]
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#6 hippiesanta
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hahaha athiest will do anything to promote their trendy advert
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#7 Franko_3
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hahaha athiest will do anything to promote their trendy adverthippiesanta
religious people too. "ho look, let's save a brain dead kid in Canada. The doctors want to kill him and use his place to save another baby"

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#8 TheArGaia
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Lies. It's only 9:20. You did not go to church :x [spoiler] Why didn't you ask the pastor? [/spoiler]

Its about 1:20 pm here, and I go to a catholic church which is not interactive at all. We don't have pastors we have just plain priests, who are a problem because you can't get a straight answer from them..
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#9 dodgerblue13
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[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]hahaha athiest will do anything to promote their trendy advertFranko_3
religious people too. "ho look, let's save a brain dead kid in Canada, the bad doctor was to kill him and use his place to save another baby"

Please don't generalize...it's annoying and incorrect because not every 'atheistic' or 'religious' person is the same and holds the same views. I really wish people would realize this eventually.
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#10 hippiesanta
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most athiest start their live base on other's religion and made it their own
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#11 TheArGaia
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most athiest start their live base on other's religion and made it their ownhippiesanta
I'm sorry, what? And don't start a debate about Atheists here, just keep on topic.
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#12 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="TheArGaia"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Lies. It's only 9:20. You did not go to church :x [spoiler] Why didn't you ask the pastor? [/spoiler]

Its about 1:20 pm here, and I go to a catholic church which is not interactive at all. We don't have pastors we have just plain priests, who are a problem because you can't get a straight answer from them..

What? This statement makes no sense? And yes, If God exists Atheists need God regardless of their denial of Him. He is thought thinking thought, He holds all creation unto Himself. It's by His existence that creation is led. So no the priests wording was not wrong. Also, how can we follow all of the Lord's precepts unless we actively believe in Him and follow Him?
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#13 BrianB0422
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I think the priest was just pandering to his crowd. No one in the pews is going to question (except you apparently) the need for God in life to succeed. Some people DO need the idea of God to feel at peace. Others, not so much.
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#15 LJS9502_basic
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I think the priest was just pandering to his crowd. No one in the pews is going to question (except you apparently) the need for God in life to succeed. Some people DO need the idea of God to feel at peace. Others, not so much.BrianB0422
Interesting how you can see into everyone's mind in the church to reach that conclusion.....
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#16 loserbam828
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I predict this thread to have HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF POSTS.

Let your priest say what he wants. Nobody's perfect.

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#17 XileLord
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most athiest start their live base on other's religion and made it their ownhippiesanta
Your clear hatred for atheism is obvious in your posts. Instead of hating on something you know nothing about, why don't you go take the time to read up on what Atheism actually is? I'm not to great with grammar either but if you can't even spell the damned word right it just goes to show how ignorant you are about it.

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#18 BrianB0422
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[QUOTE="BrianB0422"]I think the priest was just pandering to his crowd. No one in the pews is going to question (except you apparently) the need for God in life to succeed. Some people DO need the idea of God to feel at peace. Others, not so much.LJS9502_basic
Interesting how you can see into everyone's mind in the church to reach that conclusion.....

Now c'mon... I could have come in here with my standard vitriolic hatred for religion but I refrained, instead citing the need some people feel for religion in their lives.
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#20 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BrianB0422"]I think the priest was just pandering to his crowd. No one in the pews is going to question (except you apparently) the need for God in life to succeed. Some people DO need the idea of God to feel at peace. Others, not so much.BrianB0422
Interesting how you can see into everyone's mind in the church to reach that conclusion.....

Now c'mon... I could have come in here with my standard vitriolic hatred for religion but I refrained, instead citing the need some people feel for religion in their lives.

You're still creating your own conclusion.....and it's not exactly restrained...it's there in black and white.
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#21 TreebucketLumi
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well you see as an atheist i

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#22 dog_dirt
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well you see as an atheist i

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a skeptic more like
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#23 Harkat95
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It's funny that places with a high percentage of atheists also seem to be some of the richest. Take scandinavian countries.
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#24 Lonelynight
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You should had yelled out. "Bill Gates!"
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Hey guys, I was at church today when the priest said "We need god to do well in our lives, we need God to guide our lives" Thats when I thought to myself, "Well, how come Atheists are doing so well then"? What do you guys think? Do you think the priest just had a poor choice of words? Or do you believe what he said?TheArGaia

He said "well" in terms of spirituality, not prosperity.

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#27 TheArGaia
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...and the number of days without a "look at me I'm an atheist!" thread remains at zero :roll:UT_Wrestler
Really? Because I'm not an atheist.
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]...and the number of days without a "look at me I'm an atheist!" thread remains at zero :roll:TheArGaia
Really? Because I'm not an atheist.

Sure you aren't
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#30 UT_Wrestler
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]...and the number of days without a "look at me I'm an atheist!" thread remains at zero :roll:T_P_O

Please, go away, and don't come back until you learn not to spam your predictable, whiny, asinine horse****. It almost seems like you're automated to spew this nonsense every time a thread comes up that concerns itself with atheism.

Wow, so much hatred. I guess I'm no longer allowed to have an opinion. How sad that someone else has to make that decision for me :(
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#31 TheArGaia
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]...and the number of days without a "look at me I'm an atheist!" thread remains at zero :roll:UT_Wrestler

Please, go away, and don't come back until you learn not to spam your predictable, whiny, asinine horse****. It almost seems like you're automated to spew this nonsense every time a thread comes up that concerns itself with atheism.

Wow, so much hatred. I guess I'm no longer allowed to have an opinion. How sad that someone else has to make that decision for me :(

Theres a difference between having an opinion and going "OH LOOK ANOTHER ONE OF THESE THREADS!". Seriously, grow up.
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#32 UT_Wrestler
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] Please, go away, and don't come back until you learn not to spam your predictable, whiny, asinine horse****. It almost seems like you're automated to spew this nonsense every time a thread comes up that concerns itself with atheism.

TheArGaia

Wow, so much hatred. I guess I'm no longer allowed to have an opinion. How sad that someone else has to make that decision for me :(

Theres a difference between having an opinion and going "OH LOOK ANOTHER ONE OF THESE THREADS!". Seriously, grow up.

I made an obvious observation obvious. Overdone topic is overdone.

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#33 mindstorm
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It's a statement that can easily be taken the wrong way. It's said with the assumption that you hold to certain presuppositions about what was said. To say such a thing is not to say that an atheist cannot enjoy his life but we are incapable of living the life that God has for us apart from him.

To give an example, an atheist can live a good life by earthly standards by having a great family, a great job, a lot of money, and even a great moral code. However, to do well in our lives as according to God there might be more to it. Jesus told the rich man to give up his riches and follow him. In what conceivable way can an atheist intentionally follow the Son of God and be his disciple?

Another way to put it is to say that an atheist simply cannot have certain godly passions in his life that one who seeks Christ might have. What I mean by this is a desire to know God and for others to know God. To "do well in our lives" is to not simply be moral or have fun but is to devote ourselves to the heavenly work of God on this earth.

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#34 CptJSparrow
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I haven't met an atheist who is doing well. Doesn't mean they aren't out there though.
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#35 lightleggy
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most athiest start their live base on other's religion and made it their ownhippiesanta

Atheist...its A-T-H-E-I-S-T

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"Well, how come Atheists are doing so well then"?TheArGaia
Because we're awesome :)
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#37 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="TheArGaia"]Hey guys, I was at church today when the priest said "We need god to do well in our lives, we need God to guide our lives" Thats when I thought to myself, "Well, how come Atheists are doing so well then"? What do you guys think? Do you think the priest just had a poor choice of words? Or do you believe what he said?

regardless if you believe or not, God takes care of everyone, the priests are right because without God nothing could exist
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="TheArGaia"]Hey guys, I was at church today when the priest said "We need god to do well in our lives, we need God to guide our lives" Thats when I thought to myself, "Well, how come Atheists are doing so well then"? What do you guys think? Do you think the priest just had a poor choice of words? Or do you believe what he said?

regardless if you believe or not, God takes care of everyone, the priests are right because without God nothing could exist

>implying god exists
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god god god god god

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#40 LustForSoul
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Yeah he was talking to members of the church, the people that believe. For them it makes sense. He never said atheists don't have it good.
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#42 deactivated-59d151f079814
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technically if god existed,atheists still would benefit regardless of their denial.

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denial is not the right term.. Denial suggests that there is/would-be irrefutable proof of god's existence.. There is not.. Hence why faith is needed.

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#43 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="berserker2389"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="TheArGaia"]Hey guys, I was at church today when the priest said "We need god to do well in our lives, we need God to guide our lives" Thats when I thought to myself, "Well, how come Atheists are doing so well then"? What do you guys think? Do you think the priest just had a poor choice of words? Or do you believe what he said?

regardless if you believe or not, God takes care of everyone, the priests are right because without God nothing could exist

>implying god exists

yeah im Christian therefore when I talk I dont say "assuming god exist" because I actually believe He exists
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#44 Treflis
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Since when has anything involving religion made sense?
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#45 Acemaster27
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Since when has anything involving religion made sense?Treflis
Since when has it made sense to believe that the universe and humanity could emerge here all on there own? I'm not talking about evolution, because that is obviously true, but even evolution still has no idea how the first life came to be. And how come this universe if so perfectly sculpted to allow the formation of stars, much less life? If any of the fundamental physical constants of the universe were off by even a millionth of what they are, then bye-bye us. Now sure, there are other explanations out there other than 'God.' But given the complexity and unnatural precision of the universe, and life itself (see DNA), then I think we can at least say that the existence of some God-figure is a plausible hypothesis. And if that God figure existed, then it would stand to reason that he would likely be a God who affects the world and makes his presence know. If those are reasonable assumptions, then it also stands to reason that such a God would likely be the God of one of the major earth religions. So yes, religion does indeed make sense.
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#46 dracula_16
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He was talking about the big picture-- not just guidance for material things. There are rich people who don't believe in God, but I would argue that they are more in need of God than poor people [who don't believe in God] because the rich people are more inclined to think that they are responsible for everything they have (which comes from a large dose of pride).

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#47 metroidprime55
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Well, if there is a god than he wouldn't just not do anything with Athiests, I think that religion at its core is supposed to be the basis of sociatal morals, the ten commandments were supposed to dictate how a good person should treat other people for example. The Bible is a rule book on how to act as a good person and the promise of Heaven is just a treat that you are supposed to get when you die for being such a good person, saying that god leads you down the right path, without specifying that he leads believers down the right path seems to refer to god leading all of creation down the right path. That not only means that god would lead Athiests down the right path but Jews, Muslims, everyone who may not believe in the same religion as your pastor. So your pastor kind of said that you don't have to be religious or practice a specific religion to be a good person.

However, that is also saying that the fanatics out there who threaten lives and kill people in the name of god are either being lead down the right path or are going to be lead down the right path so your pastors comment is a little confusing there in that aspect.

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#48 harashawn
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I was not aware that absolutely all atheists have great lives.
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#49 TheArGaia
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I was not aware that absolutely all atheists have great lives.harashawn
Thats not what I meant. I know that not all Atheists have great lives, but some live very comfortably. Look at Bill Gates for instance.
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#50 Bloodseeker23
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Here we go again...

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Yep, here we go again.