All the facts are out and the jig is up. Marijuana aint ever hurt nobody and making it illegal aint stopping nobody from using it so whats the point of locking up all your citizens cause your living in the past?
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All the facts are out and the jig is up. Marijuana aint ever hurt nobody and making it illegal aint stopping nobody from using it so whats the point of locking up all your citizens cause your living in the past?
[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]I think it will be. People are finally starting to wake up to the bs that is the drug war.needs to be sooner.
though i dont think it will be legal for a long time.
l4dak47
i sure hope so.
In three years. Four years tops.
leviathan91
Sigh. That was said 20 years ago. And 10 years ago. And 4 years ago.
You can in no way claim to know that just as many people use marijuana now, as there would be if it was legal. If that was the case, there would not be much reason to complain, because then those who want it are getting it. It's not true that drinking increased during Prohibition, but even if it did, that still wouldn't indicate whether consumption would increase or decrease by removing laws on a completely different substance that was last legal nearly 100 years ago. That said, people in the 70s thought it would legalize in less than a decade and that obviously didn't occur. It will get legalized when enough people want it to be legal and let the politicians know. That's pretty much it.
I'm not bashing the idea of legalization of marijuana, for the record. I'm generally indifferent to its legalization (maybe I lean a little more towards legalization).
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]
In three years. Four years tops.
the_bi99man
Sigh. That was said 20 years ago. And 10 years ago. And 4 years ago.
But I cant smoke it FREELY without having to worry about police coming to arrest me over my "drug" of choice and I'm not letting the government tell me what I can't do when I'm harming no one and minding my own business. The problem isnt that I want more weed the problem is that I shouldnt be at risk of being locked up for it.You can in no way claim to know that just as many people use marijuana now, as there would be if it was legal. If that was the case, there would not be much reason to complain, because then those who want it are getting it. It's not true that drinking increased during Prohibition, but even if it did, that still wouldn't indicate whether consumption would increase or decrease by removing laws on a completely different substance that was last legal nearly 100 years ago. That said, people in the 70s thought it would legalize in less than a decade and that obviously didn't occur. It will get legalized when enough people want it to be legal and let the politicians know. That's pretty much it.
I'm not bashing the idea of legalization of marijuana, for the record. I'm generally indifferent to its legalization (maybe I lean a little more towards legalization).
homegirl2180
[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]A safe bet. And I agree. how can anything part of such a contentious debate be a safe betMy bet is never.
muller39
Hell...I don't even think that full-on legalization is required. Just decriminalize posession so that people don't go to ****ing jail for having a damn joint. Jeeze...even if they just treated simple possesion the same way as speeding, and still arrested and prosecuted the DEALERS (after all, alcohol is legal but I can't just sell hooch without getting a liquor license), I'd be totally fine with that. MrGeezerI actually agree with this, this should be the next step America takes.
I'm going to guess within the next decade we'll start seeing it coming up on the ballot during election time.
You're talking about this on a videogame website, and you're (I think) talking about a country that makes $*** like Jersey Shore and The Jerry Springer Show. I think we've long passed the point of being a nation of "degenerate monkeys", and marijuana is far from the worst ****ing offender here.No thanks, we have already enough degenerate monkeys. We don't need a nation full of them.
Socijalisticka
Well...I honestly think that people should be shooting for decriminalization rather than full legalisation. I think it's a more realistic goal that most people can agree on. I think it's easier to get even people who hate pot to agree that it's stupid as hell to clog our prison systems with minor offenders whose only crime was using a drug that's really nearly harmless. That's a more realistic goal, it's easier to get people on board with that, and that potentially might pave the way for full legalization a few decades later. But I honestly don't think that "hating the smell of pot" is even a valid argument. Hell...I hate the smell of B.O. too, but you'd be hard pressed to get me to support laws that criminalize not wearing deodorant. I hate those women who douse themselves in so much perfume that it makes the entire room stink, but my hatred of the odor isn't exactly a good reason for wanting it to not be legal.I hope never. I'm all for de-criminalizing it, because it's just clogging our prison systems... but I don't want to have to smell pot everywhere I go, no thanks.
Shmiity
Probably never because there are so many jobs and billions of dollars wrapped up in enforcement. It's big business.
[QUOTE="Shmiity"]Well...I honestly think that people should be shooting for decriminalization rather than full legalisation. I think it's a more realistic goal that most people can agree on. I think it's easier to get even people who hate pot to agree that it's stupid as hell to clog our prison systems with minor offenders whose only crime was using a drug that's really nearly harmless. That's a more realistic goal, it's easier to get people on board with that, and that potentially might pave the way for full legalization a few decades later. But I honestly don't think that "hating the smell of pot" is even a valid argument. Hell...I hate the smell of B.O. too, but you'd be hard pressed to get me to support laws that criminalize not wearing deodorant. I hate those women who douse themselves in so much perfume that it makes the entire room stink, but my hatred of the odor isn't exactly a good reason for wanting it to not be legal. Best comment of the thread, I can go to sleep in peace now.I hope never. I'm all for de-criminalizing it, because it's just clogging our prison systems... but I don't want to have to smell pot everywhere I go, no thanks.
MrGeezer
Why are some people so anxious for government approval, to poison themselves?
I understand that polluting their lungs, and destroying their brain cells is important to them, but why don't they just move to one of the weak, irrelevant countries that allow it.??
Hopefully not for a while. We already have enough dumbfvcks runnning around, no need to go adding to the dilemma by causing Cheetohs shortages to boot.
This. but personally for me I don't want a bunch of idiotic potheads wondering around influencing youth but at the same time irritating them with there stupid conversations and horrid smell I rather if it is legalized, do it in piracy.You can in no way claim to know that just as many people use marijuana now, as there would be if it was legal. If that was the case, there would not be much reason to complain, because then those who want it are getting it. It's not true that drinking increased during Prohibition, but even if it did, that still wouldn't indicate whether consumption would increase or decrease by removing laws on a completely different substance that was last legal nearly 100 years ago. That said, people in the 70s thought it would legalize in less than a decade and that obviously didn't occur. It will get legalized when enough people want it to be legal and let the politicians know. That's pretty much it.
I'm not bashing the idea of legalization of marijuana, for the record. I'm generally indifferent to its legalization (maybe I lean a little more towards legalization).
homegirl2180
But I cant smoke it FREELY without having to worry about police coming to arrest me over my "drug" of choice and I'm not letting the government tell me what I can't do when I'm harming no one and minding my own business. The problem isnt that I want more weed the problem is that I shouldnt be at risk of being locked up for it. That's your situation, but you cannot claim that you "know" that for everyone else. For them, smoking weed may not be worth the risk of getting arrested. That's my point. You cannot decide that everyone perceives cost/benefit the way you do. Some people may not like weed enough to risk getting caught, but would smoke it if legal. In short, you cannot, in any way, A) speak for everyone and B) prove that just as many people smoke weed now as there would be if it were legal (i.e. "the laws aren't stopping anyone" Nonsense, especially since drinking did go down during Prohibition, and Americans have always loved their beer more then their other substances).[QUOTE="homegirl2180"]
You can in no way claim to know that just as many people use marijuana now, as there would be if it was legal. If that was the case, there would not be much reason to complain, because then those who want it are getting it. It's not true that drinking increased during Prohibition, but even if it did, that still wouldn't indicate whether consumption would increase or decrease by removing laws on a completely different substance that was last legal nearly 100 years ago. That said, people in the 70s thought it would legalize in less than a decade and that obviously didn't occur. It will get legalized when enough people want it to be legal and let the politicians know. That's pretty much it.
I'm not bashing the idea of legalization of marijuana, for the record. I'm generally indifferent to its legalization (maybe I lean a little more towards legalization).
UglyDude_07
[QUOTE="rastotm"]That makes no sense as we have spent a trillion dollars so far on the war on drugs plus all the additional costs associated with sending offenders to jail. I was referring to the fact that the war on drugs is a great thing for many businesses. For example the med industry, rehab industry and prison industry benefit greatly from it. Legalizing marijuana will require massive effort from many politicians because these businesses will put up a struggle by lobbying and media manipulation. At the moment there is no time and money for such a undertaking because the crisis is a far more important thing on their agenda.The war on drugs is a huge economy on it's own, it won't be legalized crisis times like these.
l4dak47
That makes no sense as we have spent a trillion dollars so far on the war on drugs plus all the additional costs associated with sending offenders to jail. I was referring to the fact that the war on drugs is a great thing for many businesses. For example the med industry, rehab industry and prison industry benefit greatly from it. Legalizing marijuana will require massive effort from many politicians because these businesses will put up a struggle by lobbying and media manipulation. At the moment there is no time and money for such a undertaking because the crisis is a far more important thing on their agenda. That I understand and agree with. I'm sure the alcohol industry is lobbying hard as well.[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="rastotm"]
The war on drugs is a huge economy on it's own, it won't be legalized crisis times like these.
rastotm
[QUOTE="UglyDude_07"]But I cant smoke it FREELY without having to worry about police coming to arrest me over my "drug" of choice and I'm not letting the government tell me what I can't do when I'm harming no one and minding my own business. The problem isnt that I want more weed the problem is that I shouldnt be at risk of being locked up for it. That's your situation, but you cannot claim that you "know" that for everyone else. For them, smoking weed may not be worth the risk of getting arrested. That's my point. You cannot decide that everyone perceives cost/benefit the way you do. Some people may not like weed enough to risk getting caught, but would smoke it if legal. In short, you cannot, in any way, A) speak for everyone and B) prove that just as many people smoke weed now as there would be if it were legal (i.e. "the laws aren't stopping anyone" Nonsense, especially since drinking did go down during Prohibition, and Americans have always loved their beer more then their other substances). Have you considered that making things illegal may have other adverse effects. The amount of people who try it may decrease due to the risk factor, however the amount of addicts could actually increase because people start living under a taboo. People will be less likely to communicate about their problem and more likely to get in touch with the criminal circuit because there is little so little understanding and support. In that case, the long term effects are more addicts and more criminals.[QUOTE="homegirl2180"]
You can in no way claim to know that just as many people use marijuana now, as there would be if it was legal. If that was the case, there would not be much reason to complain, because then those who want it are getting it. It's not true that drinking increased during Prohibition, but even if it did, that still wouldn't indicate whether consumption would increase or decrease by removing laws on a completely different substance that was last legal nearly 100 years ago. That said, people in the 70s thought it would legalize in less than a decade and that obviously didn't occur. It will get legalized when enough people want it to be legal and let the politicians know. That's pretty much it.
I'm not bashing the idea of legalization of marijuana, for the record. I'm generally indifferent to its legalization (maybe I lean a little more towards legalization).
homegirl2180
Weed has the power to bring down govts and change the world and eventually that is what will happen, you can only fight somethin for so long and the govts of the world are fighting a battle they cant possibly win in any way and eventually if they dont see sense they will be overthrown whether they like it or not.
I think it may take a few more years, but it will happen.
-The social stigma attached to using it is fading.
-More people are recognizing the extremely legitimate medical use for managing pain without the harmful and addictive qualities of opioids.
-More people are realizing how incredibly silly and wasteful it is to prosecute users.
-More people are realizing how legalization would eliminate a revenue stream for drug cartels and dealers.
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