Sooooooo when are they gonna legalize marijuana?

I think it may take a few more years, but it will happen.

-The social stigma attached to using it is fading.

-More people are recognizing the extremely legitimate medical use for managing pain without the harmful and addictive qualities of opioids.

-More people are realizing how incredibly silly and wasteful it is to prosecute users.

-More people are realizing how legalization would eliminate a revenue stream for drug cartels and dealers.

superfluidity

Other than the medical advances (I think I ain't checked really) All of those reasons have always been used since the 60s 70s movement. shadowkiller11

The legalization for medical use in several states is what's really changing public opinion about it. There are simply many more people using it openly than in the past. People hear about their friends or family members using it for whatever reason, or they see a news story about how it helps people manage pain, and it changes their mind about it.

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

I think it may take a few more years, but it will happen.

-The social stigma attached to using it is fading.

-More people are recognizing the extremely legitimate medical use for managing pain without the harmful and addictive qualities of opioids.

-More people are realizing how incredibly silly and wasteful it is to prosecute users.

-More people are realizing how legalization would eliminate a revenue stream for drug cartels and dealers.

shadowkiller11

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You can in no way claim to know that just as many people use marijuana now, as there would be if it was legal. If that was the case, there would not be much reason to complain, because then those who want it are getting it. It's not true that drinking increased during Prohibition, but even if it did, that still wouldn't indicate whether consumption would increase or decrease by removing laws on a completely different substance that was last legal nearly 100 years ago. That said, people in the 70s thought it would legalize in less than a decade and that obviously didn't occur. It will get legalized when enough people want it to be legal and let the politicians know. That's pretty much it.

I'm not bashing the idea of legalization of marijuana, for the record. I'm generally indifferent to its legalization (maybe I lean a little more towards legalization).

UglyDude_07

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[QUOTE="homegirl2180"]

You can in no way claim to know that just as many people use marijuana now, as there would be if it was legal. If that was the case, there would not be much reason to complain, because then those who want it are getting it. It's not true that drinking increased during Prohibition, but even if it did, that still wouldn't indicate whether consumption would increase or decrease by removing laws on a completely different substance that was last legal nearly 100 years ago. That said, people in the 70s thought it would legalize in less than a decade and that obviously didn't occur. It will get legalized when enough people want it to be legal and let the politicians know. That's pretty much it.

I'm not bashing the idea of legalization of marijuana, for the record. I'm generally indifferent to its legalization (maybe I lean a little more towards legalization).

brucewayne69

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"][QUOTE="UglyDude_07"]But I cant smoke it FREELY without having to worry about police coming to arrest me over my "drug" of choice and I'm not letting the government tell me what I can't do when I'm harming no one and minding my own business. The problem isnt that I want more weed the problem is that I shouldnt be at risk of being locked up for it.l4dak47

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] What an insanely vague definition of drug. Going by that logic, just about anything is a drug since they all do alter your mind in various ways. l4dak47

7. Weed makes you hostile

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="brucewayne69"] Maybe so, but Marijuana is a drug. I don't know what you want me to say, but it is. Personally, I'm all for the keeping of weed illegal. 1. I find it to be a disgusting habit. It smells really bad. 2. People waste money on it. 3. People are willing to go to jail to smoke weed, and that's sad. 4. Every stoner I have ever known was a delinquent and an overall failure at life. 5. People should respect the law. 6. It's sad that people need to get high to make it through the day or not be overridden with boredom.brucewayne69

7. Weed makes you hostile

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] What an insanely vague definition of drug. Going by that logic, just about anything is a drug since they all do alter your mind in various ways. lo_Pine

In my experiences parties are a lot more fun getting down with girls than getting busted by the cops. Wouldn't you say so man?

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] All I'm seeing are reasons that doesn't affect you personally, Therefore, you shouldn't fvcking care. l4dak47

7. Weed makes you hostile

The never will... You have any idea what that would do to the drug trade??

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="brucewayne69"] Maybe so, but Marijuana is a drug. I don't know what you want me to say, but it is. Personally, I'm all for the keeping of weed illegal. 1. I find it to be a disgusting habit. It smells really bad. 2. People waste money on it. 3. People are willing to go to jail to smoke weed, and that's sad. 4. Every stoner I have ever known was a delinquent and an overall failure at life. 5. People should respect the law. 6. It's sad that people need to get high to make it through the day or not be overridden with boredom.brucewayne69

In my experiences parties are a lot more fun getting down with girls than getting busted by the cops. Wouldn't you say so man?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

7. Weed makes you hostile

brucewayne69

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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Brucewayne you sound like such a fun guy to hang out with. Don't sound like a square at all! Wanna party!l4dak47

In my experiences parties are a lot more fun getting down with girls than getting busted by the cops. Wouldn't you say so man?

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] All I'm seeing are reasons that doesn't affect you personally, Therefore, you shouldn't fvcking care. l4dak47

7. Weed makes you hostile

I wouldn't mind to see some of the people who fight for it's legalization stop trying to kid themselves and pretend that they care about the medical benefits ad1x2

Some of the people who fight for it depend on it to manage pain themselves.

Read this op-ed by a judge with pancreatic cancer: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/opinion/a-judges-plea-for-medical-marijuana.html?_r=0

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

In my experiences parties are a lot more fun getting down with girls than getting busted by the cops. Wouldn't you say so man?

brucewayne69

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="brucewayne69"] Maybe so, but Marijuana is a drug. I don't know what you want me to say, but it is. Personally, I'm all for the keeping of weed illegal. 1. I find it to be a disgusting habit. It smells really bad. 2. People waste money on it. 3. People are willing to go to jail to smoke weed, and that's sad. 4. Every stoner I have ever known was a delinquent and an overall failure at life. 5. People should respect the law. 6. It's sad that people need to get high to make it through the day or not be overridden with boredom.brucewayne69

In my experiences parties are a lot more fun getting down with girls than getting busted by the cops. Wouldn't you say so man?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

7. Weed makes you hostile

ad1x2

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] Drugs help to enhance the moment, but that's for a different debate. Let me ask you this; Are you willing to ban things that can alter's people's minds and may cause harm? l4dak47

The bolded, no, unless abused. They actually help you. Caffeine, sugar, and nicotine, no, if taken in moderation it's fine. Alcohol, well, I'm not sure. For one thing, it's less of an annoying thing to be around. Someone drinking in my car isn't gonna piss me off, unlike someone trying to hotbox it. But alcohol is bad, so maybe it would be better for an imposed 3 beer limit at bars or something. I knew people who died of alcohol poison.

[QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Brucewayne you sound like such a fun guy to hang out with. Don't sound like a square at all! Wanna party!lo_Pine

In my experiences parties are a lot more fun getting down with girls than getting busted by the cops. Wouldn't you say so man?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="brucewayne69"] Yeah, if it causes harm. And yeah, marijuana isn't as harmful as other drugs (meth, coke, heroin), but it certainly isn't healthy by any means. brucewayne69

The bolded, no, unless abused. They actually help you. Caffeine, sugar, and nicotine, no, if taken in moderation it's fine. Alcohol, well, I'm not sure. For one thing, it's less of an annoying thing to be around. Someone drinking in my car isn't gonna piss me off, unlike someone trying to hotbox it. But alcohol is bad, so maybe it would be better for an imposed 3 beer limit at bars or something. I knew people who died of alcohol poison.

It was ruining the alcohol biz, besides,they make more money off of it being illegal. It will probably cripple Big Pharma and the textile industries too. I find it funny that liquor is more toxic/dangerous than weed but yet it's legal for consumption, ever wonder why? bnarmz

Since when is it illegal? oh wait, I live in NL XD

[QUOTE="bnarmz"]It was ruining the alcohol biz, besides,they make more money off of it being illegal. It will probably cripple Big Pharma and the textile industries too. I find it funny that liquor is more toxic/dangerous than weed but yet it's legal for consumption, ever wonder why? cejay0813

[QUOTE="cejay0813"][QUOTE="bnarmz"]It was ruining the alcohol biz, besides,they make more money off of it being illegal. It will probably cripple Big Pharma and the textile industries too. I find it funny that liquor is more toxic/dangerous than weed but yet it's legal for consumption, ever wonder why? bnarmz

There are health benefits to moderate alcohol consumption... increases your HDL for one. You can also cook with it. Now your argument can be made to the person downing shots of 100 proof, but not really to the person having a beer at your local watering hole.

As far as my experience with weed, never smoked it not unless I wanted to be high. Yeah there are health benefits for it, but there's some health benefits for almost everything you consume except maybe rat poison. Although I made the comment in jest, my last point is the real reason why one is allowed and the other isn't. The backlash from prohibiting alcohol was monumental and white people weren't having it.

If you legalize pot, then you'll automatically see a drop in african-american arrests, which is scary to your average white person... say what you want but the truth hurts. Go to your local jail or to the court and just see the amount of blacks incarcerated and charged with having either a little bit of weed or selling and distribution. I won't delve into racial politics, but the last "pusher" I came across in my life wasn't white and he wasn't a criminal, but I know for a fact he's locked up right now, doing ridiculously hard time on pot charges.

[QUOTE="cejay0813"] 2) It is possible to consume alcohol without becoming intoxicated 3) The purpose of smoking marijuana is to become intoxicated therefore it is not possible to smoke marijuana without becoming intoxicated therefore smoking marijuana should be illegal -Sun_Tzu-

What do you smoke weed to do...? Moonwalk? (Although you may when you're... wait for it... STONED!) Make sense now?

On the other hand, last week I made bourbon chicken for dinner and had a corona... did I get intoxicated, no! How bout now... making sense yet??

Note that just because I stated these doesn't make them right, that's just what it is. I'd refer you to my last point on what I feel is the real, overall reason why one is allowed and the other isn't. Also note, if you haven't already, that this doesn't take into account prescription marijuana so don't use that. Pseudophedrine is legal but I'm sure if I got caught with a backpack full, I'd get a knee to the back to the sweet cadence of my miranda rights being read to me.

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="brucewayne69"]

In my experiences parties are a lot more fun getting down with girls than getting busted by the cops. Wouldn't you say so man?

brucewayne69

Sometimes I feel like with the welfare state we have it may be a bad idea to legalize drugs, unless there's some type of common sense, personal responsobility clause that won't allow those who become addicts, or those who allow their habit to negatively affect their general welfare, from receiving benefits.

I think I'd be far more comfortable with legalization if we had such a system.

Sometimes I feel like with the welfare state we have it may be a bad idea to legalize drugs, unless there's some type of common sense, personal responsobility clause that won't allow those who become addicts, or those who allow their habit to negatively affect their general welfare, from receiving benefits.

I think I'd be far more comfortable with legalization if we had such a system.

airshocker

A weed addict??!

This makes no sense...

a weed addict??!

This makes no sense...

cejay0813

I was referring to all drugs.

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]I wouldn't mind to see some of the people who fight for it's legalization stop trying to kid themselves and pretend that they care about the medical benefits superfluidity

Some of the people who fight for it depend on it to manage pain themselves.

Read this op-ed by a judge with pancreatic cancer: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/opinion/a-judges-plea-for-medical-marijuana.html?_r=0

Soon enough.

[QUOTE="cejay0813"]

a weed addict??!

This makes no sense...

airshocker

I was referring to all drugs.

No one's talking legalize all drugs, or at least I hope not... *checks OT*... Kay yeah

But I get what you're saying. Of course we wouldn't want the local meth head walking around all willy-nilly, and I definitely wouldn't want to be supporting that habit. At the same time, some drugs benefit users without them being a danger to the general welfare of others.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Sometimes I feel like with the welfare state we have it may be a bad idea to legalize drugs, unless there's some type of common sense, personal responsobility clause that won't allow those who become addicts, or those who allow their habit to negatively affect their general welfare, from receiving benefits.

I think I'd be far more comfortable with legalization if we had such a system.

cejay0813

A weed addict??!

This makes no sense...

No one's talking legalize all drugs, or at least I hope not... *checks OT*... Kay yeah

But I get what you're saying. Of course we wouldn't want the local meth head walking around all willy-nilly

cejay0813

The local meth head can do whatever he wants, so long as I don't have to pay for him. Which is my main concern with legalization of drugs. If you do something to your body voluntarily, I don't want to have to pay for it if something goes horribly wrong.

[QUOTE="cejay0813"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Sometimes I feel like with the welfare state we have it may be a bad idea to legalize drugs, unless there's some type of common sense, personal responsobility clause that won't allow those who become addicts, or those who allow their habit to negatively affect their general welfare, from receiving benefits.

I think I'd be far more comfortable with legalization if we had such a system.

brucewayne69

A weed addict??!

This makes no sense...

Yeah but I'm referring to a chemical addiction... Have you seen a crack head before (not just Dave Chappelle on TV acting like one), it's literally very scary and very, very sad. Weed does not cause this and ceasing to smoke weed, cold-turkey (although I still find the idea laughable) causes no negative effects whatsoever. I smoked weed a lot in my first two years of college, but one day I just stopped... That's it. I think people have a harder time with cigarettes (psyhologically and biologically)