[QUOTE="whipassmt"]Will Harry Osborn appear in the sequels, I wonder? Good question, I don't know if there are any sequels planned.Harry's just mad because the Greengoblin isn't in the new film, though James Franco would probably be better off doing some role in the new movie rather than going on General Hospital or being an English Teacher.
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Spiderman 1 cast BLOWS the amazing spiderman cast out of the WATER!!!!
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That pic just made my night.Dystopian-X
judging Spider-Man 1 vs Amazing and looking at their cast.
Really i preferred the original one, yes it plays on the cliche of the geeky guy with glasses who goes from geek picked on by everyone to superhero at the newspaper (lets ignore the incredibly whiney emo stage in Spider-Man 3). but for me, it makes for a better journey arch.
Garfield's is not bad, just different. it's played a bit more believable because he's the AV club kid. He's not physically appearing dorky, he's just invisible to the crowd. Remember the scene in the beginning [spoiler] a girl walks up to Peter and asks him "your the guy who takes the pictures right?" and it almost seems like she might be interested in wanting to meet up or something then it ends up being she just wants him to take pictures of her boyfriend's car [/spoiler] . the transformation to superhero - from one persona to another, just didn't seem like that great of a stretch.
Though i will say the transformation scene between the two, i really liked the direction with Garfield's more [spoiler] when he's sleeping on the subway train and that whole mess goes down and he doesn't really quite knows what the hell is up, and why he's hand keeps sticking to things, and why's he's got super reflexes [/spoiler] . it plays out better then Toby's who basically sleeps has bad dream, wakes up with six pack and doesn't need glasses now.
the romance. I hand that to Amazing Spider-Man on that one, but i also think having a real life relationship certainly helps out with the chemistry in those scenes. MJ I like her, and i don't really mind the damsel in distress thing, except one big problem. I don't mind if it's done like once, to create tension (to save the one you love), but in the original trilogy they did it in.each.one. Green Goblin holds her over the bridge in Spider-Man 1, Doctor Octopus takes her the warf with his experimental fusion reactor (though she does kinda held save the day in that one) in Spider-Man 2 and Venom kidnaps her in Spider-Man 3.
The romance arch, in the original Spider-Man trilogy really isn't that great. Mary Jane is likeable at times, but at others is not. Peter is self-conflicted "I can't tell you who i am because you'll be in danger [even though you keep getting kidnapped by my villains], but i love you also even when i falsly say i don't" which i guess is supposed to add drama, but it's the sort of drama that would last a few weeks or a month or two. Not years as it's kinda implied in the original trilogy.
Uncle Ben's looking back it, i like both, they did a good job. But i bought Martin Sheen's more, he felt far more like an actual father type (at least one that resembles my own). The stern talking he gives Peter about keeping to your responsiblities and the troubles he's seems to be up to in the middle of the night. Martin Sheen's felt like an actual caring responsible father figure. Only thing i didn't like was how they handled his death, which sort of plays like it would in real life, without much effort put by the movie to press how important this moment is. That i thought was handled better in the original.
Aunt May, mmm i liked both, i didn't mind either's performance in their role. I don't mind that Sally Field appears to be a younger aunt may.
Doc Connors as a villain i thought was underdeveloped, i didn't quite get the bonding between Peter or Connors. and don't even get me starting on his arch as a villain. didn't make a damn lick of sense to me at all. One of my main gripes about Raimi's villains is that he ALWAYS tried to make the villains sympathetic, i didn't mind if it played on the core charactersitics of some of the villains like Green Goblin (when he's Norman Osborn) or Doc Ock. but it got to me with Sandman (who is genuinely just a crook). Connor's however is easily, whether in comics or cartoons, is the most sympathetic type of villain to play on. but like i said i didn't buy it, and it felt very rushed and under developed. it's basically [spoiler] turn into giant lizard man. get revenge. now transform people into fellow lizard people. why? because 'perfection' and i said so that's why. [/spoiler]
Gwen Stacy, i liked her as well, capable woman and actually likeable character. I guess my only hang up is not her character but how her character is placed in the story. I know i know, this is a movie about a guy who dresses in spandex swinging around a city calling himself Spider-Man. but one of the moments in the movie that just snapped by suspension of disbelief was how she's the head intern at Oscorp. she's in high school, she may be #1 or #2 (debatable as Peter plays it with her) in their science courses. But that's like a high schooler becoming head intern at say... Lockheed Martin interning for Skunkworks. it just sort of was "wait.. wtf?". Like my brothers and i had a laugh in the theater at this bit.
That's not a slight against Gwen as a character though, just this sort of placement. My main complaints about Amazing is that story threads get simply dropped. Like Peter is hunting down Uncle Ben's killer, never solved, not even a brief moment where Peter just thinks he's better then going after his uncle's killer or something. nope just moves on. Or what happens to Mr. Ratha the Indian guy pushing Mr. Connors around, after the bridge scene, nada nothing more about him. I though Doc Connor's wanted that guy dead. There were too many instances in Amazing where it was "person x happens to be working for/related to x" and it came off to me very contrived.
I started reading the comics when the first Spider-Man film came out, i jumped into the Ultimate Spider-Man. which is not the current one
(which i recommend at least checking it out, it's pretty good).
but having read most of the original Ultimate Spider-Man, and then going back to reading the original comic introduction of Spider-Man. it seems pretty clear to me that movies seem to take from one or the other. Sam Raimi's takes inspiration from the originals, and Mark Webb's takes inspiration from mostly Ultimate. Aunt May is an example, in Ultimate she's not nearly as an old granny lady like she is in the original, she's an older woman yes, but more like someone who is like in her 50's not 70's. Mark Webb's use of putting and making Gwen and Peter be hyper-intelligent while in high school is straight out of the Ultimate series of comics (go read Ultimate Fantast Four, 18 year old Reed Richards creating a teleportation device in the desert with the army...), which is something i never really liked about the Ultimate series or in Amazing Spider-Man. the scene with the Lizard fighting Spider-Man at the [spoiler] school [/spoiler] happens in Ultimate universe, except with Venom.
I guess i liked Amazing enough, it's just it felt very much like a rush job with story lines being dropped out of nowhere and so many glaring coincedences occuring in the plot.
Dystopian-X
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Couldn't agree more.judging Spider-Man 1 vs Amazing and looking at their cast.
Really i preferred the original one, yes it plays on the cliche of the geeky guy with glasses who goes from geek picked on by everyone to superhero at the newspaper (lets ignore the incredibly whiney emo stage in Spider-Man 3). but for me, it makes for a better journey arch.
Garfield's is not bad, just different. it's played a bit more believable because he's the AV club kid. He's not physically appearing dorky, he's just invisible to the crowd. Remember the scene in the beginning [spoiler] a girl walks up to Peter and asks him "your the guy who takes the pictures right?" and it almost seems like she might be interested in wanting to meet up or something then it ends up being she just wants him to take pictures of her boyfriend's car [/spoiler] . the transformation to superhero - from one persona to another, just didn't seem like that great of a stretch.
Though i will say the transformation scene between the two, i really liked the direction with Garfield's more [spoiler] when he's sleeping on the subway train and that whole mess goes down and he doesn't really quite knows what the hell is up, and why he's hand keeps sticking to things, and why's he's got super reflexes [/spoiler] . it plays out better then Toby's who basically sleeps has bad dream, wakes up with six pack and doesn't need glasses now.
the romance. I hand that to Amazing Spider-Man on that one, but i also think having a real life relationship certainly helps out with the chemistry in those scenes. MJ I like her, and i don't really mind the damsel in distress thing, except one big problem. I don't mind if it's done like once, to create tension (to save the one you love), but in the original trilogy they did it in.each.one. Green Goblin holds her over the bridge in Spider-Man 1, Doctor Octopus takes her the warf with his experimental fusion reactor (though she does kinda held save the day in that one) in Spider-Man 2 and Venom kidnaps her in Spider-Man 3.
The romance arch, in the original Spider-Man trilogy really isn't that great. Mary Jane is likeable at times, but at others is not. Peter is self-conflicted "I can't tell you who i am because you'll be in danger [even though you keep getting kidnapped by my villains], but i love you also even when i falsly say i don't" which i guess is supposed to add drama, but it's the sort of drama that would last a few weeks or a month or two. Not years as it's kinda implied in the original trilogy.
Uncle Ben's looking back it, i like both, they did a good job. But i bought Martin Sheen's more, he felt far more like an actual father type (at least one that resembles my own). The stern talking he gives Peter about keeping to your responsiblities and the troubles he's seems to be up to in the middle of the night. Martin Sheen's felt like an actual caring responsible father figure. Only thing i didn't like was how they handled his death, which sort of plays like it would in real life, without much effort put by the movie to press how important this moment is. That i thought was handled better in the original.
Aunt May, mmm i liked both, i didn't mind either's performance in their role. I don't mind that Sally Field appears to be a younger aunt may.
Doc Connors as a villain i thought was underdeveloped, i didn't quite get the bonding between Peter or Connors. and don't even get me starting on his arch as a villain. didn't make a damn lick of sense to me at all. One of my main gripes about Raimi's villains is that he ALWAYS tried to make the villains sympathetic, i didn't mind if it played on the core charactersitics of some of the villains like Green Goblin (when he's Norman Osborn) or Doc Ock. but it got to me with Sandman (who is genuinely just a crook). Connor's however is easily, whether in comics or cartoons, is the most sympathetic type of villain to play on. but like i said i didn't buy it, and it felt very rushed and under developed. it's basically [spoiler] turn into giant lizard man. get revenge. now transform people into fellow lizard people. why? because 'perfection' and i said so that's why. [/spoiler]
Gwen Stacy, i liked her as well, capable woman and actually likeable character. I guess my only hang up is not her character but how her character is placed in the story. I know i know, this is a movie about a guy who dresses in spandex swinging around a city calling himself Spider-Man. but one of the moments in the movie that just snapped by suspension of disbelief was how she's the head intern at Oscorp. she's in high school, she may be #1 or #2 (debatable as Peter plays it with her) in their science courses. But that's like a high schooler becoming head intern at say... Lockheed Martin interning for Skunkworks. it just sort of was "wait.. wtf?". Like my brothers and i had a laugh in the theater at this bit.
That's not a slight against Gwen as a character though, just this sort of placement. My main complaints about Amazing is that story threads get simply dropped. Like Peter is hunting down Uncle Ben's killer, never solved, not even a brief moment where Peter just thinks he's better then going after his uncle's killer or something. nope just moves on. Or what happens to Mr. Ratha the Indian guy pushing Mr. Connors around, after the bridge scene, nada nothing more about him. I though Doc Connor's wanted that guy dead. There were too many instances in Amazing where it was "person x happens to be working for/related to x" and it came off to me very contrived.
I started reading the comics when the first Spider-Man film came out, i jumped into the Ultimate Spider-Man. which is not the current one
(which i recommend at least checking it out, it's pretty good).
but having read most of the original Ultimate Spider-Man, and then going back to reading the original comic introduction of Spider-Man. it seems pretty clear to me that movies seem to take from one or the other. Sam Raimi's takes inspiration from the originals, and Mark Webb's takes inspiration from mostly Ultimate. Aunt May is an example, in Ultimate she's not nearly as an old granny lady like she is in the original, she's an older woman yes, but more like someone who is like in her 50's not 70's. Mark Webb's use of putting and making Gwen and Peter be hyper-intelligent while in high school is straight out of the Ultimate series of comics (go read Ultimate Fantast Four, 18 year old Reed Richards creating a teleportation device in the desert with the army...), which is something i never really liked about the Ultimate series or in Amazing Spider-Man. the scene with the Lizard fighting Spider-Man at the [spoiler] school [/spoiler] happens in Ultimate universe, except with Venom.
I guess i liked Amazing enough, it's just it felt very much like a rush job with story lines being dropped out of nowhere and so many glaring coincedences occuring in the plot.
SaudiFury
It's a trilogy so perhaps the stories will be resolved down the line....no?judging Spider-Man 1 vs Amazing and looking at their cast.
Really i preferred the original one, yes it plays on the cliche of the geeky guy with glasses who goes from geek picked on by everyone to superhero at the newspaper (lets ignore the incredibly whiney emo stage in Spider-Man 3). but for me, it makes for a better journey arch.
Garfield's is not bad, just different. it's played a bit more believable because he's the AV club kid. He's not physically appearing dorky, he's just invisible to the crowd. Remember the scene in the beginning [spoiler] a girl walks up to Peter and asks him "your the guy who takes the pictures right?" and it almost seems like she might be interested in wanting to meet up or something then it ends up being she just wants him to take pictures of her boyfriend's car [/spoiler] . the transformation to superhero - from one persona to another, just didn't seem like that great of a stretch.
Though i will say the transformation scene between the two, i really liked the direction with Garfield's more [spoiler] when he's sleeping on the subway train and that whole mess goes down and he doesn't really quite knows what the hell is up, and why he's hand keeps sticking to things, and why's he's got super reflexes [/spoiler] . it plays out better then Toby's who basically sleeps has bad dream, wakes up with six pack and doesn't need glasses now.
the romance. I hand that to Amazing Spider-Man on that one, but i also think having a real life relationship certainly helps out with the chemistry in those scenes. MJ I like her, and i don't really mind the damsel in distress thing, except one big problem. I don't mind if it's done like once, to create tension (to save the one you love), but in the original trilogy they did it in.each.one. Green Goblin holds her over the bridge in Spider-Man 1, Doctor Octopus takes her the warf with his experimental fusion reactor (though she does kinda held save the day in that one) in Spider-Man 2 and Venom kidnaps her in Spider-Man 3.
The romance arch, in the original Spider-Man trilogy really isn't that great. Mary Jane is likeable at times, but at others is not. Peter is self-conflicted "I can't tell you who i am because you'll be in danger [even though you keep getting kidnapped by my villains], but i love you also even when i falsly say i don't" which i guess is supposed to add drama, but it's the sort of drama that would last a few weeks or a month or two. Not years as it's kinda implied in the original trilogy.
Uncle Ben's looking back it, i like both, they did a good job. But i bought Martin Sheen's more, he felt far more like an actual father type (at least one that resembles my own). The stern talking he gives Peter about keeping to your responsiblities and the troubles he's seems to be up to in the middle of the night. Martin Sheen's felt like an actual caring responsible father figure. Only thing i didn't like was how they handled his death, which sort of plays like it would in real life, without much effort put by the movie to press how important this moment is. That i thought was handled better in the original.
Aunt May, mmm i liked both, i didn't mind either's performance in their role. I don't mind that Sally Field appears to be a younger aunt may.
Doc Connors as a villain i thought was underdeveloped, i didn't quite get the bonding between Peter or Connors. and don't even get me starting on his arch as a villain. didn't make a damn lick of sense to me at all. One of my main gripes about Raimi's villains is that he ALWAYS tried to make the villains sympathetic, i didn't mind if it played on the core charactersitics of some of the villains like Green Goblin (when he's Norman Osborn) or Doc Ock. but it got to me with Sandman (who is genuinely just a crook). Connor's however is easily, whether in comics or cartoons, is the most sympathetic type of villain to play on. but like i said i didn't buy it, and it felt very rushed and under developed. it's basically [spoiler] turn into giant lizard man. get revenge. now transform people into fellow lizard people. why? because 'perfection' and i said so that's why. [/spoiler]
Gwen Stacy, i liked her as well, capable woman and actually likeable character. I guess my only hang up is not her character but how her character is placed in the story. I know i know, this is a movie about a guy who dresses in spandex swinging around a city calling himself Spider-Man. but one of the moments in the movie that just snapped by suspension of disbelief was how she's the head intern at Oscorp. she's in high school, she may be #1 or #2 (debatable as Peter plays it with her) in their science courses. But that's like a high schooler becoming head intern at say... Lockheed Martin interning for Skunkworks. it just sort of was "wait.. wtf?". Like my brothers and i had a laugh in the theater at this bit.
That's not a slight against Gwen as a character though, just this sort of placement. My main complaints about Amazing is that story threads get simply dropped. Like Peter is hunting down Uncle Ben's killer, never solved, not even a brief moment where Peter just thinks he's better then going after his uncle's killer or something. nope just moves on. Or what happens to Mr. Ratha the Indian guy pushing Mr. Connors around, after the bridge scene, nada nothing more about him. I though Doc Connor's wanted that guy dead. There were too many instances in Amazing where it was "person x happens to be working for/related to x" and it came off to me very contrived.
I started reading the comics when the first Spider-Man film came out, i jumped into the Ultimate Spider-Man. which is not the current one
(which i recommend at least checking it out, it's pretty good).
but having read most of the original Ultimate Spider-Man, and then going back to reading the original comic introduction of Spider-Man. it seems pretty clear to me that movies seem to take from one or the other. Sam Raimi's takes inspiration from the originals, and Mark Webb's takes inspiration from mostly Ultimate. Aunt May is an example, in Ultimate she's not nearly as an old granny lady like she is in the original, she's an older woman yes, but more like someone who is like in her 50's not 70's. Mark Webb's use of putting and making Gwen and Peter be hyper-intelligent while in high school is straight out of the Ultimate series of comics (go read Ultimate Fantast Four, 18 year old Reed Richards creating a teleportation device in the desert with the army...), which is something i never really liked about the Ultimate series or in Amazing Spider-Man. the scene with the Lizard fighting Spider-Man at the [spoiler] school [/spoiler] happens in Ultimate universe, except with Venom.
I guess i liked Amazing enough, it's just it felt very much like a rush job with story lines being dropped out of nowhere and so many glaring coincedences occuring in the plot.
SaudiFury
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