Starbucks asks U.S. customers to leave guns at home

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] I know, but my point that I would be afraid to be in a restaurant with someone with a gun, doesn't matter if its visible or concealed. A gun is a gun, and either way it can still kill me.II_Seraphim_II

It's silly that you think just because of the presence of a holstered gun that you are scared for your life.  Or if it's concealed, the gun is still present, you just don't know

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Nope, just items that were specifically designed to kill deeliman

And yet car accidents are one of the leading causes of death, more so than gun violence

Guns are used for things other than killing people

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Are you scared to be in the parking lot of that restaurant too? We know, after all, that cars are far more deadly than guns, and much more likely to kill you.lostrib

It's silly that you think just because of the presence of a holstered gun that you are scared for your life.  Or if it's concealed, the gun is still present, you just don't know

[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

And yet car accidents are one of the leading causes of death, more so than gun violence

lostrib

Guns are used for things other than killing people

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Guns were made to kill, cars were made for transport. The only reason why cars kill more people is because more people use cars than guns. And look, just cause the US believes u have a right to own a gun dont mean the rest of the world has to agree.....II_Seraphim_II

It's silly that you think just because of the presence of a holstered gun that you are scared for your life.  Or if it's concealed, the gun is still present, you just don't know

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

It's silly that you think just because of the presence of a holstered gun that you are scared for your life.  Or if it's concealed, the gun is still present, you just don't know

deeliman

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="deeliman"] But cars are actually useful for something other than killing people, you can't really compare the 2. deeliman

Guns are used for things other than killing people

they may be to some people

Open carry is dumb as hell.Person0

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Guns were made to kill, cars were made for transport. The only reason why cars kill more people is because more people use cars than guns. And look, just cause the US believes u have a right to own a gun dont mean the rest of the world has to agree.....II_Seraphim_II

It's silly that you think just because of the presence of a holstered gun that you are scared for your life.  Or if it's concealed, the gun is still present, you just don't know

having a holstered firearm is not wielding a gun.  

[QUOTE="Person0"]Open carry is dumb as hell.Capitan_Kid

or it could encourage people to fvck with you

yes, but there are people that point to places like the UK and Australia that have gun bans as good examples of gun control.  Not understanding that it wouldn't work here

lostrib

To add to your comment, for people who don't understand the difference between the UK and Australia versus the US is that their geography is different. The UK and Australia are completely surrounded by water and getting illegal guns in isn't the easiest thing in the world.

On the other hand, the US has a large country to the south that is practically ran by drug cartels better armed than most police forces. A total gun ban here wouldn't have the same effect.

Not to mention people close to the Mexican border or where there is a lot of gang activity would probably refuse to disarm out of fear of being killed. No guarantee the cops can reach you before your brains are blown out by some armed drug runner.

[QUOTE="Person0"]Open carry is dumb as hell.Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Guns are used for things other than killing people

thegerg

[QUOTE="Person0"]Open carry is dumb as hell.Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

It's silly that you think just because of the presence of a holstered gun that you are scared for your life.  Or if it's concealed, the gun is still present, you just don't know

thegerg

On another note, Ive been threatened with a gun before, never been hit by a car before.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="Person0"]Open carry is dumb as hell.deeliman

Seems fair enough to ask people not to bring loaded weapons onto their private property.

[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Or they would back off because you have a gun....Capitan_Kid

then conceal carry your gun.  Element of surprise and what not.  

Or i guess the point is moot if they walk up with a gun already out.

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="deeliman"] But they're not nearly as important as cars are.deeliman

they may be to some people

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Look you are ok being around people wielding guns, thats your business. I would rather not be around people with guns. Its a personal choice. I dont see the issue, unless u believe everyone should be just like u.II_Seraphim_II

On another note, Ive been threatened with a gun before, never been hit by a car before.

in both cases, it's irrational

[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="thegerg"] What does your opinion of what's important have to do with any of this?lostrib

they may be to some people

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] I think what he's actually getting at is that you're scared to be around guns because they represent a danger to your life but not things that are demonstrably more dangerous.

lostrib

On another note, Ive been threatened with a gun before, never been hit by a car before.

in both cases, it's irrational

[QUOTE="deeliman"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Or they would back off because you have a gun....Capitan_Kid

Sounds like good odds for you.:roll:

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="deeliman"] Are you seriously trying to argue that guns are more important than cars? (except for the army of course)deeliman

Self defense/protection of property, constitutional right

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="deeliman"] Are you seriously trying to argue that guns are more important than cars? (except for the army of course)deeliman

they may be to some people

so what. also, way to stereotype.  

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] So what? I know people afraid of all sorts of animals which account for less than 1% of deaths. Number of deaths and fear dont necessarily have to directly correlate.

On another note, Ive been threatened with a gun before, never been hit by a car before.

II_Seraphim_II

in both cases, it's irrational

Should try to be, or understand that what you're thinking is irrational

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="deeliman"] Why? They can just take you out before you have any time to react....Person0

Sounds like good odds for you.:roll:

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] And if they can't? They get shot because they fvcked with the dude with the gun. Don't where you guys get the ideas that criminals go after people packing. They want weaklings, not threats.Capitan_Kid

Sounds like good odds for you.:roll:

And not everyone open carrying a gun is a navy SEAL.  Open carrying should not be used as or expected to act as a deterrent

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] And if they can't? They get shot because they fvcked with the dude with the gun. Don't where you guys get the ideas that criminals go after people packing. They want weaklings, not threats.Capitan_Kid

Sounds like good odds for you.:roll:

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] And if they can't? They get shot because they fvcked with the dude with the gun. Don't where you guys get the ideas that criminals go after people packing. They want weaklings, not threats.Capitan_Kid

Sounds like good odds for you.:roll:

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="thegerg"] No, you seem to be very confused. I'm trying to figure out what your opinion of what's important has to do with any of this. Try reading my post again, it is actually very straight forward. thegerg

Anyway, that has nothing to do with my question. Or the topic of this thread.

For anyone saying you can't compare a vehicles to guns.

A gun can fire projectiles that weigh about .008kg and can go about 400m/s.

A car is a projectile that weighs about 1700kg and goes 32m/s (high way - 70mph).

You do some math/physics, you realize that the momentum of a bullet is 3.2 kgm/s and the momentum of a car is 54400 kgm/s. Likewise, the kinetic energy of a bullet is 640 J while the kinetic energy of a vehicle is 870400 J. Obviously theres the piercing factor and surface area on impact which is much bigger in a car and much smaller on a bullet. Point is, the average car can be just as deadly as a bullet.

I really got to attend one of these.

Combines two of my passions, coffee & firearms.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="Person0"] Lets see the criminal has surprise and is ready on his side...in many places with open carry you won't have a magazine in or the gun cocked..so you have to recognize what is happening put a magazine in the gun and cock it (and remember to switch the safety off)  before the criminal just shoots you.

Sounds like good odds for you.:roll:

deeliman

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Dude...dont act daft. Its not an opinion, its a fact.way2funny

Anyway, that has nothing to do with my question. Or the topic of this thread.

For anyone saying you can't compare a vehicles to guns.

A gun can fire projectiles that weigh about .008kg and can go about 400m/s.

A car is a projectile that weighs about 1700kg and goes 32m/s (high way - 70mph).

You do some math/physics, you realize that the momentum of a bullet is 3.2 kgm/s and the momentum of a car is 54400 kgm/s. Likewise, the kinetic energy of a bullet is 640 J while the kinetic energy of a vehicle is 870400 J. Obviously theres the piercing factor and surface area on impact which is much bigger in a car and much smaller on a bullet. Point is, the average car can be just as deadly as a bullet.

yeah, just ask the 10 people run over by that old guy at the Santa Monica Farmers Market. And he didn't even have to reload