Stephen Hawking: "I never said that god doesn't exist"

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#51 KH-mixerX
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Well I can see what he's saying, really. Effectively, his message is that humans created this concept of "God" to explain their existence, and that, as such, "God" is really the name that people give to that which is responsible for their existence.

sSubZerOo

Order suggests design in my opinion. Therefore, I believe in a God. But to each his own I guess.

Define order.. Because the order of the universe is nothing like how we would see order.. The universe is actually extremely chaotic.

I'm not looking for a debate. I just think that order, more specifically the human body, is evidence of design. If you see a beautifully made sand castle on the beach, you'd automatically know that someone had to have built that sand castle. Not that it just happened to come together through the waves of the ocean and the sand randomly interacting with each other. It's a simple analogy, I know. But that's just how I feel and see it. I'm sure there is a flaw in my logic somewhere, but for now, I'm content in my belief. If I'm wrong, and there is no God, then I die and fade into nothingness. But if I'm right, and there is a God, I'll reap the rewards for my faith in the afterlife. It's a win-win situation in my opinion.

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#52 scorch-62
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It's going to be a sad day when he dies.
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#53 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="vadicta"]

So, if God is physics, then Hawkings is... The Pope?

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Jesus.

Nay, that would be Newton. (or is he more of a Moses?)

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#54 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Order suggests design in my opinion. Therefore, I believe in a God. But to each his own I guess.

KH-mixerX

Define order.. Because the order of the universe is nothing like how we would see order.. The universe is actually extremely chaotic.

I'm not looking for a debate. I just think that order, more specifically the human body, is evidence of design. If you see a beautifully made sand castle on the beach, you'd automatically know that someone had to have built that sand castle. Not that it just happened to come together through the waves of the ocean and the sand randomly interacting with each other. It's a simple analogy, I know. But that's just how I feel and see it. I'm sure there is a flaw in my logic somewhere, but for now, I'm content in my belief. If I'm wrong, and there is no God, then I die and fade into nothingness. But if I'm right, and there is a God, I'll reap the rewards for my faith in the afterlife. It's a win-win situation in my opinion.

Watch makers argument and Pascals wager in one fell swoop.
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[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

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Define order.. Because the order of the universe is nothing like how we would see order.. The universe is actually extremely chaotic.

HoolaHoopMan

I'm not looking for a debate. I just think that order, more specifically the human body, is evidence of design. If you see a beautifully made sand castle on the beach, you'd automatically know that someone had to have built that sand castle. Not that it just happened to come together through the waves of the ocean and the sand randomly interacting with each other. It's a simple analogy, I know. But that's just how I feel and see it. I'm sure there is a flaw in my logic somewhere, but for now, I'm content in my belief. If I'm wrong, and there is no God, then I die and fade into nothingness. But if I'm right, and there is a God, I'll reap the rewards for my faith in the afterlife. It's a win-win situation in my opinion.

Watch makers argument and Pascals wager in one fell swoop.

This video, and the series overall, has done a pretty good job of convincing me as well. In fact, it's where I got the sand castle analogy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMNK1hrVSbQ

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It's going to be a sad day when he dies.scorch-62


I think we'll be prepaired. I mean, half of him is already there :P

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#57 metroidfood
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Hawking is an agnostic. This isn't news. Why is it always taken as news?xTawshx
Everything Stephen Hawking says is taken as news.

God I love that comic. It doesn't matter what Stephen Hawking says, everyone will take it out of context anyways.

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I knew he'd snap eventually.KHAndAnime
What are you talking about?
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

I'm not looking for a debate. I just think that order, more specifically the human body, is evidence of design. If you see a beautifully made sand castle on the beach, you'd automatically know that someone had to have built that sand castle. Not that it just happened to come together through the waves of the ocean and the sand randomly interacting with each other. It's a simple analogy, I know. But that's just how I feel and see it. I'm sure there is a flaw in my logic somewhere, but for now, I'm content in my belief. If I'm wrong, and there is no God, then I die and fade into nothingness. But if I'm right, and there is a God, I'll reap the rewards for my faith in the afterlife. It's a win-win situation in my opinion.

KH-mixerX

Watch makers argument and Pascals wager in one fell swoop.

This video, and the series overall, has done a pretty good job of convincing me as well. In fact, it's where I got the sand castle analogy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMNK1hrVSbQ

I hate the idea of worship and I hate the idea of an abstract known as "God". Whatever it was that happened before the universe is so beyond our understanding it isn't even worth blinking an eye for. He says "atheists believe in a closed system", I would sooner believe string theory before I believe a guy "God" had any hand in our creation. Humanity is less to the universe than a grain of sand is to Earth. You can worship or believe something made the big bang, chances are if it has sentience at all it doesn't care at all about you.

Just because we don't have advanced enough science to answer the big question doesn't tell me that it must be God. Humanity has a habit of turning to "God" once something is just beyond our capable understanding.



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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Order suggests design in my opinion. Therefore, I believe in a God. But to each his own I guess.

KH-mixerX

Define order.. Because the order of the universe is nothing like how we would see order.. The universe is actually extremely chaotic.

I'm not looking for a debate. I just think that order, more specifically the human body, is evidence of design. If you see a beautifully made sand castle on the beach, you'd automatically know that someone had to have built that sand castle. Not that it just happened to come together through the waves of the ocean and the sand randomly interacting with each other. It's a simple analogy, I know. But that's just how I feel and see it. I'm sure there is a flaw in my logic somewhere, but for now, I'm content in my belief. If I'm wrong, and there is no God, then I die and fade into nothingness. But if I'm right, and there is a God, I'll reap the rewards for my faith in the afterlife. It's a win-win situation in my opinion.

Bad logic you got there. You assuming that your god is THE real god and not the other gods.
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#61 KH-mixerX
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[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Define order.. Because the order of the universe is nothing like how we would see order.. The universe is actually extremely chaotic.

alexside1

I'm not looking for a debate. I just think that order, more specifically the human body, is evidence of design. If you see a beautifully made sand castle on the beach, you'd automatically know that someone had to have built that sand castle. Not that it just happened to come together through the waves of the ocean and the sand randomly interacting with each other. It's a simple analogy, I know. But that's just how I feel and see it. I'm sure there is a flaw in my logic somewhere, but for now, I'm content in my belief. If I'm wrong, and there is no God, then I die and fade into nothingness. But if I'm right, and there is a God, I'll reap the rewards for my faith in the afterlife. It's a win-win situation in my opinion.

Bad logic you got there. You assuming that your god is THE real god and not the other gods.

Well, there are so many damn religions out there, I'm sure he'd forgive me for not picking the right one;).

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Watch makers argument and Pascals wager in one fell swoop. Human-after-all

This video, and the series overall, has done a pretty good job of convincing me as well. In fact, it's where I got the sand castle analogy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMNK1hrVSbQ

I hate the idea of worship and I hate the idea of an abstract known as "God". Whatever it was that happened before the universe is so beyond our understanding it isn't even worth blinking an eye for. He says "atheists believe in a closed system", I would sooner believe string theory before I believe a guy "God" had any hand in our creation. Humanity is less to the universe than a grain of sand is to Earth. You can worship or believe something made the big bang, chances are if it has sentience at all it doesn't care at all about you.

Just because we don't have advanced enough science to answer the big question doesn't tell me that it must be God. Humanity has a habit of turning to "God" once something is just beyond our capable understanding.

Whatever makes you happy. Like I said, I'm content in my belief.

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#63 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"]It's going to be a sad day when he dies.vadicta



I think we'll be prepaired. I mean, half of him is already there :P

The fact he's lived with a disease for 40 or so years when the life expectancy of those diagnosed with it is around 3 years is a miracle.