Stephen King thinks that hollywood can't make a good horror movie

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Notsogr8one"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Notsogr8one"]Dead Silence is the only Horror movie in recent memory that has really scared me. I wish for more of them, and while I do mostly agree with you on the whole porn, boobs, gore thing, I must say that I really enjoyed Hostel 1 and 2 because it just 'fit'. Film-Guy

I never saw Hostel 2, but the first one gets way more hate than it deserves. It was amateurishly-made and probably would have been better received if it had been a student film or something, but Hostel was a step above the vast majority of American made horror films if only because it actually had something to say.

Meh I still thought they were crap films, I dont care what message a film has, if it sucks then why should I care?

I never said you should care about anything. You can watch whatever you watch, it's none of my business.

However, I care because the one thing that annoys me is (as I said before) laziness. I can appreciate a generic monster movie or slasher film on its technical merits. But I think that in its purest form, horror serves much the same purpose as science fiction. A well made horror/sci-fi movie without any actual IDEAS is like a well-made burger from Wendy's. Sure, it gets the job done, but it's not anything new. It's not something that I'm gonna remember a week from now, it's just the same old thing. But I think that the best science fiction and horror should be trying to say something new. It should be trying to comment on our hopes and fears, and reflect on what it is to be human. When I see people TRYING to do this, I am far more willing to grant some leeway when it comes to technical defifiencies. A good chef experiments all the time. Not all of his experiments will be winners. But he is at least trying to make something new or unique, and that makes even his worst failure more interesting than the best burger that a fry cook at Wendy's will ever make.

I can appreciate what eli roth was trying to do with the hostel films, I just got bored of them because the torture scenes and the sex were tiresome. At first the torture scenes were kinda disturbing and made ok, but after a while I was numb to them.

All Eli did was play off the shock-value, knowing full well that stupid Western teens would have a mental orgasm to it, and he made a lot of money from this. As for making a quality film that will be remembered for generations to come, he failed, as he knew he would, but lined his pocket in the process.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Notsogr8one"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Notsogr8one"]Dead Silence is the only Horror movie in recent memory that has really scared me. I wish for more of them, and while I do mostly agree with you on the whole porn, boobs, gore thing, I must say that I really enjoyed Hostel 1 and 2 because it just 'fit'. burpysmurph

I never saw Hostel 2, but the first one gets way more hate than it deserves. It was amateurishly-made and probably would have been better received if it had been a student film or something, but Hostel was a step above the vast majority of American made horror films if only because it actually had something to say.

Meh I still thought they were crap films, I dont care what message a film has, if it sucks then why should I care?

I never said you should care about anything. You can watch whatever you watch, it's none of my business.

However, I care because the one thing that annoys me is (as I said before) laziness. I can appreciate a generic monster movie or slasher film on its technical merits. But I think that in its purest form, horror serves much the same purpose as science fiction. A well made horror/sci-fi movie without any actual IDEAS is like a well-made burger from Wendy's. Sure, it gets the job done, but it's not anything new. It's not something that I'm gonna remember a week from now, it's just the same old thing. But I think that the best science fiction and horror should be trying to say something new. It should be trying to comment on our hopes and fears, and reflect on what it is to be human. When I see people TRYING to do this, I am far more willing to grant some leeway when it comes to technical defifiencies. A good chef experiments all the time. Not all of his experiments will be winners. But he is at least trying to make something new or unique, and that makes even his worst failure more interesting than the best burger that a fry cook at Wendy's will ever make.

I can appreciate what eli roth was trying to do with the hostel films, I just got bored of them because the torture scenes and the sex were tiresome. At first the torture scenes were kinda disturbing and made ok, but after a while I was numb to them.

All Eli did was play off the shock-value, knowing full well that stupid Western teens would have a mental orgasm to it, and he made a lot of money from this. As for making a quality film that will be remembered for generations to come, he failed, as he knew he would, but lined his pocket in the process.

Apparently you missed just about all of the subtext in the movie, but I suppose that's okay. This isn't a thread about Hostel or Stephen King, it's a thread why so many horror movies suck.

[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Notsogr8one"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Notsogr8one"]Dead Silence is the only Horror movie in recent memory that has really scared me. I wish for more of them, and while I do mostly agree with you on the whole porn, boobs, gore thing, I must say that I really enjoyed Hostel 1 and 2 because it just 'fit'. MrGeezer

I never saw Hostel 2, but the first one gets way more hate than it deserves. It was amateurishly-made and probably would have been better received if it had been a student film or something, but Hostel was a step above the vast majority of American made horror films if only because it actually had something to say.

Meh I still thought they were crap films, I dont care what message a film has, if it sucks then why should I care?

I never said you should care about anything. You can watch whatever you watch, it's none of my business.

However, I care because the one thing that annoys me is (as I said before) laziness. I can appreciate a generic monster movie or slasher film on its technical merits. But I think that in its purest form, horror serves much the same purpose as science fiction. A well made horror/sci-fi movie without any actual IDEAS is like a well-made burger from Wendy's. Sure, it gets the job done, but it's not anything new. It's not something that I'm gonna remember a week from now, it's just the same old thing. But I think that the best science fiction and horror should be trying to say something new. It should be trying to comment on our hopes and fears, and reflect on what it is to be human. When I see people TRYING to do this, I am far more willing to grant some leeway when it comes to technical defifiencies. A good chef experiments all the time. Not all of his experiments will be winners. But he is at least trying to make something new or unique, and that makes even his worst failure more interesting than the best burger that a fry cook at Wendy's will ever make.

I can appreciate what eli roth was trying to do with the hostel films, I just got bored of them because the torture scenes and the sex were tiresome. At first the torture scenes were kinda disturbing and made ok, but after a while I was numb to them.

All Eli did was play off the shock-value, knowing full well that stupid Western teens would have a mental orgasm to it, and he made a lot of money from this. As for making a quality film that will be remembered for generations to come, he failed, as he knew he would, but lined his pocket in the process.

Apparently you missed just about all of the subtext in the movie, but I suppose that's okay. This isn't a thread about Hostel or Stephen King, it's a thread why so many horror movies suck.

Most modern horror books or movies suck and will never ever be remembered in the annals of time because they were trivially written or conceived, focusing mainly on trying to shock or disturb the audience, without offering any solid value or content.

[QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Notsogr8one"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Notsogr8one"]Dead Silence is the only Horror movie in recent memory that has really scared me. I wish for more of them, and while I do mostly agree with you on the whole porn, boobs, gore thing, I must say that I really enjoyed Hostel 1 and 2 because it just 'fit'. MrGeezer

I never saw Hostel 2, but the first one gets way more hate than it deserves. It was amateurishly-made and probably would have been better received if it had been a student film or something, but Hostel was a step above the vast majority of American made horror films if only because it actually had something to say.

Meh I still thought they were crap films, I dont care what message a film has, if it sucks then why should I care?

I never said you should care about anything. You can watch whatever you watch, it's none of my business.

However, I care because the one thing that annoys me is (as I said before) laziness. I can appreciate a generic monster movie or slasher film on its technical merits. But I think that in its purest form, horror serves much the same purpose as science fiction. A well made horror/sci-fi movie without any actual IDEAS is like a well-made burger from Wendy's. Sure, it gets the job done, but it's not anything new. It's not something that I'm gonna remember a week from now, it's just the same old thing. But I think that the best science fiction and horror should be trying to say something new. It should be trying to comment on our hopes and fears, and reflect on what it is to be human. When I see people TRYING to do this, I am far more willing to grant some leeway when it comes to technical defifiencies. A good chef experiments all the time. Not all of his experiments will be winners. But he is at least trying to make something new or unique, and that makes even his worst failure more interesting than the best burger that a fry cook at Wendy's will ever make.

I can appreciate what eli roth was trying to do with the hostel films, I just got bored of them because the torture scenes and the sex were tiresome. At first the torture scenes were kinda disturbing and made ok, but after a while I was numb to them.

All Eli did was play off the shock-value, knowing full well that stupid Western teens would have a mental orgasm to it, and he made a lot of money from this. As for making a quality film that will be remembered for generations to come, he failed, as he knew he would, but lined his pocket in the process.

Apparently you missed just about all of the subtext in the movie, but I suppose that's okay. This isn't a thread about Hostel or Stephen King, it's a thread why so many horror movies suck.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Notsogr8one"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Notsogr8one"]Dead Silence is the only Horror movie in recent memory that has really scared me. I wish for more of them, and while I do mostly agree with you on the whole porn, boobs, gore thing, I must say that I really enjoyed Hostel 1 and 2 because it just 'fit'. Notsogr8one

I never saw Hostel 2, but the first one gets way more hate than it deserves. It was amateurishly-made and probably would have been better received if it had been a student film or something, but Hostel was a step above the vast majority of American made horror films if only because it actually had something to say.

Meh I still thought they were crap films, I dont care what message a film has, if it sucks then why should I care?

I never said you should care about anything. You can watch whatever you watch, it's none of my business.

However, I care because the one thing that annoys me is (as I said before) laziness. I can appreciate a generic monster movie or slasher film on its technical merits. But I think that in its purest form, horror serves much the same purpose as science fiction. A well made horror/sci-fi movie without any actual IDEAS is like a well-made burger from Wendy's. Sure, it gets the job done, but it's not anything new. It's not something that I'm gonna remember a week from now, it's just the same old thing. But I think that the best science fiction and horror should be trying to say something new. It should be trying to comment on our hopes and fears, and reflect on what it is to be human. When I see people TRYING to do this, I am far more willing to grant some leeway when it comes to technical defifiencies. A good chef experiments all the time. Not all of his experiments will be winners. But he is at least trying to make something new or unique, and that makes even his worst failure more interesting than the best burger that a fry cook at Wendy's will ever make.

I can appreciate what eli roth was trying to do with the hostel films, I just got bored of them because the torture scenes and the sex were tiresome. At first the torture scenes were kinda disturbing and made ok, but after a while I was numb to them.

All Eli did was play off the shock-value, knowing full well that stupid Western teens would have a mental orgasm to it, and he made a lot of money from this. As for making a quality film that will be remembered for generations to come, he failed, as he knew he would, but lined his pocket in the process.

Apparently you missed just about all of the subtext in the movie, but I suppose that's okay. This isn't a thread about Hostel or Stephen King, it's a thread why so many horror movies suck.

I kinda liked mirrors, I dont see why it got so much hate.

I'm surprised a Hollywood company hasn't given King a big crap load of money and told him to go nuts and make whatever movie he wants, based on either of his books, or a new story. Give him complete control over script etc. I would enjoy that.Morphic

Last time they did that he made the mediocre at best Shining TV miniseries.

Its a shame that one of the best horror films of the year got thrown into a few dollar theaters instead of getting a wide release.

I am seeing it on the 30th and Clive barker is going to be there, the theater is also playing Candyman. Double features FTW. I know the title midnight meat train sounds funny, but its a really good horror film.

Well I have to disagree. I saw "The Eye" which scared the crap out of me.

No I'm joking, I can't the producer got to make another film after that piece of ****.

Well I have to disagree. I saw "The Eye" which scared the crap out of me.

No I'm joking, I can't the producer got to make another film after that piece of ****.

Vfanek

I liked the original one without jessica alba.

[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]didn't read the article but the Japanese make good horror moviesFilm-Guy

There is also the occasional good british horror movies, korea and thailant put out some gems too.

the descent was an amazing movie IMO

it's not that scared me so much but it kept me in suspense and the fighting scenes were amazing.

hollywood typically cant make movies period.

real actors goto new york, not hollywood.

agree, these days if you wanna find good horror, you have to either go independent or foreign

american hollywood can only come up with gore porn and boobs

legend26

u 4got asplosianz!

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="burpysmurph"]Stephen King is a clown that writes by-the-numbers horror trash with an emphasis on shocking the reader with shallow sentiment without trying to truly "scare" them with any solid, well written content. He is not capable.MrGeezer

Dark Tower was a big disappointment. It peaked at book 2, and from that point onward it went steadily downward.

There were a few bright moments here and there, but for the most part, The Dark Tower became self-indulgent lazy garbage.

All horror movies are bad.EMOEVOLUTION

I don't like horror movies that are full of gore.

Gore isn't scary, it's disgusting. That's why I liked The Ring and The Grudge, very little (if any) gore and I was scared ****less. They made me afraid of bumps in the night.

That's why movies like Saw and Hostel don't appeal to me in the least bit; eyes being cut out, dismemberment. It doesn't scare me, it just makes me cringe.

The problewm with Hollywood is that all the cast members are blondes with big boiobs SCREAMING CONSTANTLY. A knife SCREAM. A thunder storm SCREAM. An ice cream sundae SCREAM.

Good horror movies are quiet, and then RAH! Nothing happens, or we don't see it, but we see that the character and scared stiff.

The Others would have to be my favourite horror movie. Though, it's not really scary, or a horror movie...but it's great none-the-less.

The japanese horror remakes are some of the worst horror movies put out by hollywood in a long time, and the originals aren't much better.

Hostel on the other hand, was a terrific horror movie. Im really looking forward to the next Eli Roth movie as well as Greg McLean.

Also, if you haven't already, go rent INSIDE. do it now. its insane.

The japanese horror remakes are some of the worst horror movies put out by hollywood in a long time, and the originals aren't much better.

Hostel on the other hand, was a terrific horror movie. Im really looking forward to the next Eli Roth movie as well as Greg McLean.

Also, if you haven't already, go rent INSIDE. do it now. its insane.

x_Martyr_x

*article*

While I do disagree slightly with parts of the article, its still a great read that I mostly agree with. Do you agree with the article or disagree? Please read it though.

Film-Guy

I mostly agree with it. Most big-production Hollywood movies, regardless of genre, are inferior to independently made films...at least the independently made films that are actually noticed. Hollywood, as well as the music industry in America, largely produces formulaic material that will sell...not thoughtful, creative work.

I don't like horror movies that are full of gore.

Gore isn't scary, it's disgusting. That's why I liked The Ring and The Grudge, very little (if any) gore and I was scared ****less. They made me afraid of bumps in the night.

That's why movies like Saw and Hostel don't appeal to me in the least bit; eyes being cut out, dismemberment. It doesn't scare me, it just makes me cringe.

cametall

Yeah, slasher movies are cheap and easy...and more importantly, just not scary. Movies that are pyschologically abusive are far more haunting than any cheap slasher movie.

When was the last time Stephen King made a good horror movie? Oh, I went there.

No but seriously, I agree.

Anyone watch Baghead? Is it good?

When was the last time Stephen King made a good horror movie? Oh, I went there.

No but seriously, I agree.

Anyone watch Baghead? Is it good?

entropyecho

I don't think Stephen King has ever made a good horror movie. The only movie I think was any good...in fact a brilliant, classic example of how a horror movie should be made...is The Shining, which was directed by Stanley Kubrick and based upon a Stephen King novel.

The Shining is suspenseful and eery. It's beautifully shot. It's what a horror film should be. Every other movie made by Stephen King has been a completely, cheese-filled disaster.

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

When was the last time Stephen King made a good horror movie? Oh, I went there.

No but seriously, I agree.

Anyone watch Baghead? Is it good?

StrawberryHill

I don't think Stephen King has ever made a good horror movie. The only movie I think was any good...in fact a brilliant, classic example of how a horror movie should be made...is The Shining, which was directed by Stanley Kubrick and based upon a Stephen King novel.

The Shining is suspenseful and eery. It's beautifully shot. It's what a horror film should be. Every other movie made by Stephen King has been a completely, cheese-filled disaster.

When has stephen king ever made a horror movie himself, its the directors fault not his:|

[QUOTE="StrawberryHill"][QUOTE="entropyecho"]

When was the last time Stephen King made a good horror movie? Oh, I went there.

No but seriously, I agree.

Anyone watch Baghead? Is it good?

Film-Guy

I don't think Stephen King has ever made a good horror movie. The only movie I think was any good...in fact a brilliant, classic example of how a horror movie should be made...is The Shining, which was directed by Stanley Kubrick and based upon a Stephen King novel.

The Shining is suspenseful and eery. It's beautifully shot. It's what a horror film should be. Every other movie made by Stephen King has been a completely, cheese-filled disaster.

When has stephen king ever made a horror movie himself, its the directors fault not his:|

Stephen Kings films are much better (the extended shining, rose red and such. Pet Cemetary was good. Thinner was too

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

When was the last time Stephen King made a good horror movie? Oh, I went there.

No but seriously, I agree.

Anyone watch Baghead? Is it good?

StrawberryHill

I don't think Stephen King has ever made a good horror movie. The only movie I think was any good...in fact a brilliant, classic example of how a horror movie should be made...is The Shining, which was directed by Stanley Kubrick and based upon a Stephen King novel.

The Shining is suspenseful and eery. It's beautifully shot. It's what a horror film should be. Every other movie made by Stephen King has been a completely, cheese-filled disaster.

The 6 hour Stephen King's The Shining is better than Kubrick's. A movie needs more than just atmosphere.

[QUOTE="StrawberryHill"][QUOTE="entropyecho"]

When was the last time Stephen King made a good horror movie? Oh, I went there.

No but seriously, I agree.

Anyone watch Baghead? Is it good?

Trashface

I don't think Stephen King has ever made a good horror movie. The only movie I think was any good...in fact a brilliant, classic example of how a horror movie should be made...is The Shining, which was directed by Stanley Kubrick and based upon a Stephen King novel.

The Shining is suspenseful and eery. It's beautifully shot. It's what a horror film should be. Every other movie made by Stephen King has been a completely, cheese-filled disaster.

The 6 hour Stephen King's The Shining is better than Kubrick's. A movie needs more than just atmosphere.

Your silly if you think that. Absolutely silly.

Kubrick's version is beautiful and brilliant. Defying and extending beyond the book.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="StrawberryHill"][QUOTE="entropyecho"]

When was the last time Stephen King made a good horror movie? Oh, I went there.

No but seriously, I agree.

Anyone watch Baghead? Is it good?

tccavey2

I don't think Stephen King has ever made a good horror movie. The only movie I think was any good...in fact a brilliant, classic example of how a horror movie should be made...is The Shining, which was directed by Stanley Kubrick and based upon a Stephen King novel.

The Shining is suspenseful and eery. It's beautifully shot. It's what a horror film should be. Every other movie made by Stephen King has been a completely, cheese-filled disaster.

The 6 hour Stephen King's The Shining is better than Kubrick's. A movie needs more than just atmosphere.

Your silly if you think that. Absolutely silly.

Kubrick's version is beautiful and brilliant. Defying and extending beyond the book.

While I do love the movie, the book is much better.

Horror that comes from Hollywood is packaged like candy and shipped out to make a quick buck (Saw franchise).

The impacting horror films come from the low-budget, passionate directors who feel the need to tell a certain story.

Tobe Hooper - Texas Chainsaw Massacre

John Carpenter - Halloween, The Thing

George Romero - Night of the Living Dead

Roman Polanski - Repulsion

David Lynch - Eraserhead

None of those directors ever thought that their films would be huge and some of them weren't but there's no denying the impact those films have had on cinema. Horror, to be effective, has to come from the gut and an unwillingness to compromise. Hollywood was castrated long ago.

[QUOTE="x_Martyr_x"]

The japanese horror remakes are some of the worst horror movies put out by hollywood in a long time, and the originals aren't much better.

Hostel on the other hand, was a terrific horror movie. Im really looking forward to the next Eli Roth movie as well as Greg McLean.

Also, if you haven't already, go rent INSIDE. do it now. its insane.

blazinpuertoroc

Hostel is a horror movie. If you can't handle it go see Beverly Hills Chihuahua