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#1 Razor-Lazor
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Hey all! Not a huge MMA fan here but I watch as often as I can. Dan Henderson is my favorite fighter and tonight he faces the best heavyweight in the world. Anyone else watching? :D

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#2 hadoken
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i cant wait to see my least favorite fighter (Henderson) get knocked out by the best heavyweight in the world. im watching.
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#3 Jacen22
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Anyone have a live streaming link for the fight?

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#4 hadoken
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Anyone have a live streaming link for the fight?

Jacen22
im watching it on a stream right now, you have to do a survey, but i have an easy bypass around it. PM me and ill give you the link
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I'm watching some guy bleed all over the ring right now. Henderson and Fedor not up yet

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#6 Jacen22
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Oh man I really wanna watch the fight. Help me out hadoken, I sent you a PM

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#7 Razor-Lazor
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I'm watching for free on ShowTime. :D Can't wait for Fedor-Henderson. All these fights have been eh. I wanna see a knockout or a submission but it's been nothing but decisions.
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I'm watching for free on ShowTime. :D Can't wait for Fedor-Henderson. All these fights have been eh. I wanna see a knockout or a submission but it's been nothing but decisions.Razor-Lazor
Same here. Watching it on showtime, that is.
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I like Hendo, but I love Fedor. Definitely watching this fight.
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#10 MetallicaKings
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is it still on? its not on showtime when i checked
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#11 Jacen22
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is it still on? its not on showtime when i checkedMetallicaKings
Yes, right now its a lame fight between two women

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[QUOTE="MetallicaKings"]is it still on? its not on showtime when i checkedJacen22

Yes, right now its a lame fight between two women

I know, and now they are just doing interviews. Lets get to the good stuff!!
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#13 Razor-Lazor
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Hendo-Fedor is starting. :)
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Hendo-Fedor is starting. :)Razor-Lazor
Finally. What is the weight difference anyways? Henderson looks smaller, but I think he's a light heavyweight and Fedor is a true heavyweight.
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#15 Jacen22
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[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Hendo-Fedor is starting. :)sonicare
Finally. What is the weight difference anyways? Henderson looks smaller, but I think he's a light heavyweight and Fedor is a true heavyweight.

Hendo barely made a little over 210 i think
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[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Hendo-Fedor is starting. :)sonicare
Finally. What is the weight difference anyways? Henderson looks smaller, but I think he's a light heavyweight and Fedor is a true heavyweight.

Tale of the Tape says Fedor has sixteen pounds on him.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Hendo-Fedor is starting. :)Razor-Lazor
Finally. What is the weight difference anyways? Henderson looks smaller, but I think he's a light heavyweight and Fedor is a true heavyweight.

Tale of the Tape says Fedor has sixteen pounds on him.

That's going to be big.
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Wow. As they announce Henderson the storm causes my satellite to go out. No fight for me.
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Fedor's legs are like twice as big as hendersons. Wow. But Henderson's upper body looks ripped.

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Should they have stopped that?

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#21 Jacen22
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Should they have stopped that?

sonicare

Hell no, that ref screwed fedor over

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#22 Razor-Lazor
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Did Hendo win?
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Did Hendo win?Razor-Lazor
Yep. Can we all agree Fedor is done? He's washed up.
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[QUOTE="Jacen22"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Should they have stopped that?

Hell no, that ref screwed fedor over

I just watched the replay. He knocked him out with this uppercut from behind. Hard to see, but I guess Fedor was out. Thought it was bogus at first, but you can see it in replay.
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Damnnnnnnn fedor got rocked. It sucks too because I love him. But henderson was just too freaking good.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Should they have stopped that?

Jacen22

Hell no, that ref screwed fedor over

IDK man, Fedor was out cold, dude collapsed. I think it was a good call by the ref.
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[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"][QUOTE="Jacen22"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Should they have stopped that?

Hell no, that ref screwed fedor over

IDK man, Fedor was out cold, dude collapsed. I think it was a good call by the ref.

It's hard to see that at first, but in the replay you can see how that uppercut just rocked him.
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#28 hadoken
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it looked like he got knocked out then regained consciousness but he probably could have continued tho
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Fedor started turning around. No KO there.
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[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"][QUOTE="Jacen22"] Hell no, that ref screwed fedor over

sonicare

IDK man, Fedor was out cold, dude collapsed. I think it was a good call by the ref.

It's hard to see that at first, but in the replay you can see how that uppercut just rocked him.

Fedor has taken more damage than that and come bak to win in pride. they should have let it go another 5 sec atleast.

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#31 m25105
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He went limp, but he woke up. Way too early stoppage, should have waited longer. I'm sad, but I have great respect for Dan Henderson. If anyone deserves to defeat Fedor it's him. Still... too early stoppage.
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#32 hadoken
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bet you henderson thinks hes the best fighter in the world when overeem would behead him
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[QUOTE="Spellingiscool"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Did Hendo win?m25105
Yep. Can we all agree Fedor is done? He's washed up.

How about we all agree your post sucked.

Fedor is now a scrub. He can't beat an old Henderson and has lost 3 consecutive fights. It's over.
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[QUOTE="Spellingiscool"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Did Hendo win?m25105
Yep. Can we all agree Fedor is done? He's washed up.

How about we all agree your post sucked.

Wow wtf are you so damn touchy about Fedor for? I said in a thread a while ago that he wasnt the fighter he used to be and he is losing to mid competition and you jumped all over me, change your attitude and start discussing like an adult seriously. Just because your favourite fighter lost doesnt mean you have to be rude constantly about it, you tryed the same crap with me last time, 3rd loss in a row deal with it. I love fedor to, hell my youtube acount is Fedor, Igor, Gomi highligts pretty much but hell its just the truth that Fedors career is getting very sketchy now.
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Fedor started turning around. No KO there.Mario2007
There was a KO. Fedor was out cold. Hendo woke him up by hitting him 2 more times in the head. You can come back from a KO quickly. I've seen it happen when a buddy of mine was fighting at a local show and I was helping to corner him. We were cage-side and the same exact thing happened. Uppercut from behind drops him and we could see it in the dude's face that he was completely out, eyes rolled back and limp. Then he woke up and kept fighting like nothing happened. That fight didn't get stopped because the ref was awful, but Fedor was out even longer than that guy.
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It looks like Fedor's shorts were to tight...
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[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Spellingiscool"] Yep. Can we all agree Fedor is done? He's washed up.

How about we all agree your post sucked.

Wow wtf are you so damn touchy about Fedor for? I said in a thread a while ago that he wasnt the fighter he used to be and he is losing to mid competition and you jumped all over me, change your attitude and start discussing like an adult seriously. Just because your favourite fighter lost doesnt mean you have to be rude constantly about it, you tryed the same crap with me last time, 3rd loss in a row deal with it. I love fedor to, hell my youtube acount is Fedor, Igor, Gomi highligts pretty much but hell its just the truth that Fedors career is getting very sketchy now.

I wouldn't consider Hendo, Silva, or Werdum mid competition, but Fedor's style is hardly what it used to be. Fedor of 2002-2006 was also calm, cool, and collected in the stand-up. Since the Sylvia fight, he has become a headhunter and slowly strayed from his style of using his striking to set up his grappling. I am a big fan of Fedor and Hendo, so this was a great fight to watch, but the game has passed Fedor by it seems. It still doesn't take away from what he has accomplished. Same thing with guys like Cro Cop, Nog, Igor, Wandy, and other legends. Recent setbacks will not destroy an already amazing legacy and career he has had.
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That was one of the worstb stoppages i have ever seen and it was just a bad angle Fedor landed on and with Hendo on top throwing punches it will take 3-4 before he can turn over which is exactly what happened he turned over and protected himself from the last 2-3 before dan saw herb stopping it,

Seriously that was bullcrap i mean look at Cheik Kongo vs Pat Barry, how many times did kongo look 10x worse than fedor and the ref didnt even move a muscle, they should have given us atleast another 2-3 seconds, fedor would have had one leg around hendo by then,

I'm a huge Hendo fan and he could have won that fight but he defenetly did not deserve that stoppage.

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Ref was right there a little too early...Fedor turned around to protect himself right after the fight ended.

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god damit
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[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Spellingiscool"] Yep. Can we all agree Fedor is done? He's washed up.

How about we all agree your post sucked.

Wow wtf are you so damn touchy about Fedor for? I said in a thread a while ago that he wasnt the fighter he used to be and he is losing to mid competition and you jumped all over me, change your attitude and start discussing like an adult seriously. Just because your favourite fighter lost doesnt mean you have to be rude constantly about it, you tryed the same crap with me last time, 3rd loss in a row deal with it. I love fedor to, hell my youtube acount is Fedor, Igor, Gomi highligts pretty much but hell its just the truth that Fedors career is getting very sketchy now.

First my post wasn't directed at you and second calling a fighter washed up for losing is an insult. Fedor didn't lose three times in a row to some uknown fighter in a barn, but to the worlds best BJJ practioner, a giant with a black belt in BJJ and his last loss (which many found was stopped too early, Fedor was recovering and turning around) was to another legendary MMA fighter. If you read my first post I congratulated Dan Henderson, I just can't stand fighter bashers, especially one as humble as Fedor, who doesn't bring any "Look at how tough I am attitude".
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oh...i thought this was about a sequel to megaforce...damn

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Worst stoppages? Fedor was out cold and taking shots from one of the hardest hitters in MMA, how the hell was that stopped early? Just because he wolk up later doesnt mean it was early, you cannot lie on the ground, flat on your stomach with your hands on your side and take un answered shots, thats not intellegently defending yourself end of. The reason why you didnt see fights like Kongo/Barry or Cain/Lesnar fights get stopped early is because they never stopped moving and were always defending themselves, Fedor was lying flat unconcious, you cant be serious ifd you thought he could have went on. I aint even gonna go into Fedors latest fighting competition, I have no respect for Werdum as he is scared to strinke, Brett Rogers sucks and Bigfoot has no big credible wins except Fedor. Cain, Dos Santos, Lesnar are the top com[etition, Bigfoot, Werdum at the time of their fights with Fedor were low to mid top 10 at best. I just cant defent Fedor recently anymore, I love the guy but its starting to show how sheltered he has been, Dan Henderson is a former Middleweight for Christ sake and Fedor got H Bombed, he is no where near the fighter that he used to be and people are still calling him the best heavyweight in the world, its ubsurd.
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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="m25105"] How about we all agree your post sucked.

Wow wtf are you so damn touchy about Fedor for? I said in a thread a while ago that he wasnt the fighter he used to be and he is losing to mid competition and you jumped all over me, change your attitude and start discussing like an adult seriously. Just because your favourite fighter lost doesnt mean you have to be rude constantly about it, you tryed the same crap with me last time, 3rd loss in a row deal with it. I love fedor to, hell my youtube acount is Fedor, Igor, Gomi highligts pretty much but hell its just the truth that Fedors career is getting very sketchy now.

I wouldn't consider Hendo, Silva, or Werdum mid competition, but Fedor's style is hardly what it used to be. Fedor of 2002-2006 was also calm, cool, and collected in the stand-up. Since the Sylvia fight, he has become a headhunter and slowly strayed from his style of using his striking to set up his grappling. I am a big fan of Fedor and Hendo, so this was a great fight to watch, but the game has passed Fedor by it seems. It still doesn't take away from what he has accomplished. Same thing with guys like Cro Cop, Nog, Igor, Wandy, and other legends. Recent setbacks will not destroy an already amazing legacy and career he has had.

I agree it wont tarnish his career, but maybe now people will stop nuthugging Fedor so damn much, he was a decent fighter but his latter years he was sheltered by M1 Global which is why I lost respect for him, and now we have seen what happens when he comes up against high competition, he gets ko'd by a middle weight. I will always remember his Pride fights againt Nog and Cro Cop though, I just wish he finished his career the way he started and that was by fighting the best.
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That was one of the worstb stoppages i have ever seen and it was just a bad angle Fedor landed on and with Hendo on top throwing punches it will take 3-4 before he can turn over which is exactly what happened he turned over and protected himself from the last 2-3 before dan saw herb stopping it,

Seriously that was bullcrap i mean look at Cheik Kongo vs Pat Barry, how many times did kongo look 10x worse than fedor and the ref didnt even move a muscle, they should have given us atleast another 2-3 seconds, fedor would have had one leg around hendo by then,

I'm a huge Hendo fan and he could have won that fight but he defenetly did not deserve that stoppage.

sonofsmeagle

Watch it from this angle and tell me that Fedor isn't out cold when his face hits the canvas. He's out cold and Hendo hits him with 2 shots, the second of which woke Fedor up.

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i cant wait to see my least favorite fighter (Henderson) get knocked out by the best heavyweight in the world. im watching.hadoken
Just laughed. Thankyou :)
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[QUOTE="hadoken"]i cant wait to see my least favorite fighter (Henderson) get knocked out by the best heavyweight in the world. im watching.The_Gaming_Baby
Just laughed. Thankyou :)

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[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] Wow wtf are you so damn touchy about Fedor for? I said in a thread a while ago that he wasnt the fighter he used to be and he is losing to mid competition and you jumped all over me, change your attitude and start discussing like an adult seriously. Just because your favourite fighter lost doesnt mean you have to be rude constantly about it, you tryed the same crap with me last time, 3rd loss in a row deal with it. I love fedor to, hell my youtube acount is Fedor, Igor, Gomi highligts pretty much but hell its just the truth that Fedors career is getting very sketchy now.

I wouldn't consider Hendo, Silva, or Werdum mid competition, but Fedor's style is hardly what it used to be. Fedor of 2002-2006 was also calm, cool, and collected in the stand-up. Since the Sylvia fight, he has become a headhunter and slowly strayed from his style of using his striking to set up his grappling. I am a big fan of Fedor and Hendo, so this was a great fight to watch, but the game has passed Fedor by it seems. It still doesn't take away from what he has accomplished. Same thing with guys like Cro Cop, Nog, Igor, Wandy, and other legends. Recent setbacks will not destroy an already amazing legacy and career he has had.

I agree it wont tarnish his career, but maybe now people will stop nuthugging Fedor so damn much, he was a decent fighter but his latter years he was sheltered by M1 Global which is why I lost respect for him, and now we have seen what happens when he comes up against high competition, he gets ko'd by a middle weight. I will always remember his Pride fights againt Nog and Cro Cop though, I just wish he finished his career the way he started and that was by fighting the best.

I understand where you are coming from, but he faced essentially all of the best HW's of his era minus a few here and there. Nog, CC, Sylvia, Arlovski, Werdum, Herring, Coleman, Randleman, Schilt, and Silva are all top guys he faced during his career. The only really big fights he missed out on where against Sergei, Barnett (which was Barnett's fault) and Couture (which almost occurred until Randy decided to resign with the UFC in 2007). Cain, Overeem, and JDS have only appeared as major HW players over the last year or two, so either way Fedor wasn't going to have the opportunity to face them or he was having to fight them on the downslide of his career. His run of dominance was incredible considering he is really a small HW fighting guys much larger than him on a regular basis, while never losing for 10 years, nor getting KOed which is stunning considering the big boys he was facing. Even guys like Anderson and GSP have had hiccups in the road along the way. Fedor just happened stumble late in his career, while guys like GSP and Anderson had to overcome losses earlier in their careers.
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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="jfcundiff"] I wouldn't consider Hendo, Silva, or Werdum mid competition, but Fedor's style is hardly what it used to be. Fedor of 2002-2006 was also calm, cool, and collected in the stand-up. Since the Sylvia fight, he has become a headhunter and slowly strayed from his style of using his striking to set up his grappling. I am a big fan of Fedor and Hendo, so this was a great fight to watch, but the game has passed Fedor by it seems. It still doesn't take away from what he has accomplished. Same thing with guys like Cro Cop, Nog, Igor, Wandy, and other legends. Recent setbacks will not destroy an already amazing legacy and career he has had.

I agree it wont tarnish his career, but maybe now people will stop nuthugging Fedor so damn much, he was a decent fighter but his latter years he was sheltered by M1 Global which is why I lost respect for him, and now we have seen what happens when he comes up against high competition, he gets ko'd by a middle weight. I will always remember his Pride fights againt Nog and Cro Cop though, I just wish he finished his career the way he started and that was by fighting the best.

I understand where you are coming from, but he faced essentially all of the best HW's of his era minus a few here and there. Nog, CC, Sylvia, Arlovski, Werdum, Herring, Coleman, Randleman, Schilt, and Silva are all top guys he faced during his career. The only really big fights he missed out on where against Sergei, Barnett (which was Barnett's fault) and Couture (which almost occurred until Randy decided to resign with the UFC in 2007). Cain, Overeem, and JDS have only appeared as major HW players over the last year or two, so either way Fedor wasn't going to have the opportunity to face them or he was having to fight them on the downslide of his career. His run of dominance was incredible considering he is really a small HW fighting guys much larger than him on a regular basis, while never losing for 10 years, nor getting KOed which is stunning considering the big boys he was facing. Even guys like Anderson and GSP have had hiccups in the road along the way. Fedor just happened stumble late in his career, while guys like GSP and Anderson had to overcome losses earlier in their careers.

I agree except for a couple of things... 1. Yes, Fedor is a small HW... but in a way that was to his advantage. He was much quicker than most people he fought because he was smaller. Speed is an advantage just like size is. In fact, I'll take speed over size any day of the week. 2. Yes, guys like Anderson and GSP have had hiccups, but you also have to remember that the HW division was very weak up until recently. Plus, Fedor wasn't fighting very tough guys consecutively like GSP and Anderson. He'd fight tough guys mixed in with a bunch of nobodies. GSP and Anderson, being champs, fight really tough guys every fight.