Student who got tasered at the John Kerry Speech, did the police have a right?

I personally, dont thinkt he police had any right to taser the kid, because he was putting no1 in harm watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

I personally, dont thinkt he police had any right to taser the kid, because he was putting no1 in harm

hellomotto1

But surely, it's the role of the police to act before someone does get harmed.

Saying that, i don't think we would of really injured anyone, however he shouldn't of acted so crazy, if he just co-operated then he wouldn't of got tasered.

IMO if he was prepared to act like that, then he should be prepared for the whatever the consequences may be, being tasered included.

"Don't tase me bro!" hahahaha best line ever.

I think if they used the earlier, when he kept pulling away from them and 100% resisting arrest it would have been completely warrented, but it did seem rather odd that they tased him when he seemed to be already subdued. I'm not sure, but the cops will always be wrong, no matter what. That's just society, it's cool to hate cops, and all that.

p.s. College kiddies are funny, I think he was crying.

We've done this before.

And no, unless you want to live in a country where speaking your mind and demanding your constitutional rights (such as the reading of your rights which is demanded by a ruling of the supreme court, thatthe kid never got) are denied.

1: We don't know what he did before the video started to get him arrested.

2: He resisted arrest. That warrents use of force immediately, it's called "Resistant Active."

3: I'll say it again, cops will always be wrong to most people. Unless they wait until THEY get punched, kicked, stabbed, or shot, they're wrong. American society and this pop mtv generation sucks.

i just did a history presentation on this....the student had every right to the first amendment, and maybe at first it seemed like he was pysco and he was going to hurt some1 but the actual time when they tasered him was when he was on the ground with his hands above his head, and if you watch the video again and pause right when he gets tasered you can see the male cop grinning....i think the kid did nothing wrong...hellomotto1

First...he was asked to leave by the owners....therefore, when he didn't leave he became a trespasser. Therefore, the police were escorting him out and he resisted. He was warned he'd be tased. His fault. Boo hoo.

We've done this before.

And no, unless you want to live in a country where speaking your mind and demanding your constitutional rights (such as the reading of your rights which is demanded by a ruling of the supreme court, thatthe kid never got) are denied.

Insane00

This is NOT a free speech issue.

1: We don't know what he did before the video started to get him arrested.

2: He resisted arrest. That warrents use of force immediately, it's called "Resistant Active."

3: I'll say it again, cops will always be wrong to most people. Unless they wait until THEY get punched, kicked, stabbed, or shot, they're wrong. American society and this pop mtv generation sucks.

RiSkyBiZ-13

Omfg my father said #1.....there is another video showing him just standing there waiting to ask a question. This clearly shows that he was not disruptive or obnoxious, otherwise the police would have escorted him out long before he asked another question

[QUOTE="hellomotto1"]i just did a history presentation on this....the student had every right to the first amendment, and maybe at first it seemed like he was pysco and he was going to hurt some1 but the actual time when they tasered him was when he was on the ground with his hands above his head, and if you watch the video again and pause right when he gets tasered you can see the male cop grinning....i think the kid did nothing wrong...LJS9502_basic

First...he was asked to leave by the owners....therefore, when he didn't leave he became a trespasser. Therefore, the police were escorting him out and he resisted. He was warned he'd be tased. His fault. Boo hoo.

First of all that is incorrect to all degrees....he was not asked to leave before he asked his questions becuz there is another video, go check if u want, showing him standing in the back of the room waiting to ask a question...oh ya and if i really want to prove u wrong..if he was asked to leave before, the cops would not have EVEN given him a chance to ask his question.

Boo Hoo

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="hellomotto1"]i just did a history presentation on this....the student had every right to the first amendment, and maybe at first it seemed like he was pysco and he was going to hurt some1 but the actual time when they tasered him was when he was on the ground with his hands above his head, and if you watch the video again and pause right when he gets tasered you can see the male cop grinning....i think the kid did nothing wrong...hellomotto1

First...he was asked to leave by the owners....therefore, when he didn't leave he became a trespasser. Therefore, the police were escorting him out and he resisted. He was warned he'd be tased. His fault. Boo hoo.

First of all that is incorrect to all degrees....he was not asked to leave before he asked his questions becuz there is another video, go check if u want, showing him standing in the back of the room waiting to ask a question...oh ya and if i really want to prove u wrong..if he was asked to leave before, the cops would not have EVEN given him a chance to ask his question.

Boo Hoo

You are incorrect. He was asked to leave.

1: We don't know what he did before the video started to get him arrested.

2: He resisted arrest. That warrents use of force immediately, it's called "Resistant Active."

3: I'll say it again, cops will always be wrong to most people. Unless they wait until THEY get punched, kicked, stabbed, or shot, they're wrong. American society and this pop mtv generation sucks.

RiSkyBiZ-13

Yea, and the beating of Rodney king, whew, it was a good thing those cops acted first or that crazy black man would have really hurt them.

Or what about the poor that was shot 39 times in her home. In fact, I'll just provide a link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality

IT's really great to see that somethe cops get off though...:roll:

[QUOTE="Insane00"]

We've done this before.

And no, unless you want to live in a country where speaking your mind and demanding your constitutional rights (such as the reading of your rights which is demanded by a ruling of the supreme court, thatthe kid never got) are denied.

LJS9502_basic

This is NOT a free speech issue.

And when did I mention free speech. I mentioned maranda rights, which this does concern.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Insane00"]

We've done this before.

And no, unless you want to live in a country where speaking your mind and demanding your constitutional rights (such as the reading of your rights which is demanded by a ruling of the supreme court, thatthe kid never got) are denied.

Insane00

This is NOT a free speech issue.

And when did I mention free speech. I mentioned maranda rights, which this does concern.

Bolded for you.

Omfg my father said #1.....there is another video showing him just standing there waiting to ask a question. This clearly shows that he was not disruptive or obnoxious, otherwise the police would have escorted him out long before he asked another question

hellomotto1

So I suppose you were there? You're going to make an excellent lawyer one day. I'll give up on arguments, like I said, we're in a pop mtv generation of cop-haters and it's not going to change. The cops are wrong, the obnoxious college kids are right simply based on when some wacko hit record on their video camera.

they had no right to taser him, being annoying isnt illegalApocalypse33

He was tased for resisting...;)

ng of Rodney king, whew, it was a good thing those cops acted first or that crazy black man would have really hurt them.

Insane00

Of course, Rodney King, the famous name drop. He was one upstanding citizen, with a clean record- oh, besides multiple drug charges, soliciting prostitutes (those are arrests after the beating), and before hand he had dozens of others. Too bad he didn't kill anyone on the high speed chase, where all he would have had to do was pull over. Damn cops!

im wondering why they started to grab him.vidplayer8

According to what I saw...the college asked him to leave. Apparently he had a history.

[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]im wondering why they started to grab him.LJS9502_basic

According to what I saw...the college asked him to leave. Apparently he had a history.

oh, okay.

then yeah, he deserved it

Let me ask you this: he was being loud, disruptive and incredibly annoying. If you had a taser in your hand, wouldn't you have zapped him? I probably would. Hell, I've seen people get punched in the back of the head just for walking too slowly...megagene

[QUOTE="hellomotto1"]i just did a history presentation on this....the student had every right to the first amendment, and maybe at first it seemed like he was pysco and he was going to hurt some1 but the actual time when they tasered him was when he was on the ground with his hands above his head, and if you watch the video again and pause right when he gets tasered you can see the male cop grinning....i think the kid did nothing wrong...LJS9502_basic

First...he was asked to leave by the owners....therefore, when he didn't leave he became a trespasser. Therefore, the police were escorting him out and he resisted. He was warned he'd be tased. His fault. Boo hoo.

He was on a university campus, publicly owned, so how can the owner ask him to leave. Further Kerry allowed him to ask his question, despite the fact they had already begun to escort him from the building. They even allowed him to go back to the mic. So why did they have to manhandle him. Now, I have more info than before and I will agree this kid could have gone about things better and been less of a jerk, but he didn't harm anyone, he was polite to Kerry and thanked him for letting him ask his question before he began. He brought up interesting points that I feel we as Americans derserve to at least ask, even if we never will get a straight answer. I just think the cops used excessive force on this one and we shouldn't have to live in a country where we fear what someone will do to us if we say the wrong thing to the wrong person.

Oh, and this isn't new, there have been a number of people arrested for speaking out. I remember during the 2004 campain a couple bought tickets to a Bush rally and wore anti Bush shirts. They were arrested despite the fact that they were completely peaceful andmade no noise or interuptions. Since we could get arrested either way, perhaps its good to makea bunch ofnoise so that the government will realize we are sick and tired of being jerked around.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="hellomotto1"]i just did a history presentation on this....the student had every right to the first amendment, and maybe at first it seemed like he was pysco and he was going to hurt some1 but the actual time when they tasered him was when he was on the ground with his hands above his head, and if you watch the video again and pause right when he gets tasered you can see the male cop grinning....i think the kid did nothing wrong...Insane00

First...he was asked to leave by the owners....therefore, when he didn't leave he became a trespasser. Therefore, the police were escorting him out and he resisted. He was warned he'd be tased. His fault. Boo hoo.

He was on a university campus, publicly owned, so how can the owner ask him to leave. Further Kerry allowed him to ask his question, despite the fact they had already begun to escort him from the building. They even allowed him to go back to the mic. So why did they have to manhandle him. Now, I have more info than before and I will agree this kid could have gone about things better and been less of a jerk, but he didn't harm anyone, he was polite to Kerry and thanked him for letting him ask his question before he began. He brought up interesting points that I feel we as Americans derserve to at least ask, even if we never will get a straight answer. I just think the cops used excessive force on this one and we shouldn't have to live in a country where we fear what someone will do to us if we say the wrong thing to the wrong person.

Oh, and this isn't new, there have been a number of people arrested for speaking out. I remember during the 2004 campain a couple bought tickets to a Bush rally and wore anti Bush shirts. They were arrested despite the fact that they were completely peaceful andmade no noise or interuptions. Since we could get arrested either way, perhaps its good to makea bunch ofnoise so that the government will realize we are sick and tired of being jerked around.

University Campuses are NOT publicly owned. So your entire arguments falls on that one point.

[QUOTE="Insane00"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Insane00"]

We've done this before.

And no, unless you want to live in a country where speaking your mind and demanding your constitutional rights (such as the reading of your rights which is demanded by a ruling of the supreme court, thatthe kid never got) are denied.

LJS9502_basic

This is NOT a free speech issue.

And when did I mention free speech. I mentioned maranda rights, which this does concern.

Bolded for you.

Oops, i mentioned speakingone's mind so of course the crux of my arguement concerns the first amendment. Let's all ignore the fact I brought up miranda rights. I mention speaking one's mind cause it goes with constitutional rights, and then brought up the right I thought was most abused in this case.

But I have discovered you just like to argue and point our minute mistakes rather than engage in educated discussion. I mention speaking one's mind, and that's all you can see, all you can address. Just as when I use religion as an example i am making a religious arguement, rather than appealing to almost universally accepted standars in western tradition to prove a point. I don't have time for this, I have GRE to take, I'm out.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Insane00"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Insane00"]

We've done this before.

And no, unless you want to live in a country where speaking your mind and demanding your constitutional rights (such as the reading of your rights which is demanded by a ruling of the supreme court, thatthe kid never got) are denied.

Insane00

This is NOT a free speech issue.

And when did I mention free speech. I mentioned maranda rights, which this does concern.

Bolded for you.

Oops, i mentioned speakingone's mind so of course the crux of my arguement concerns the first amendment. Let's all ignore the fact I brought up miranda rights. I mention speaking one's mind cause it goes with constitutional rights, and then brought up the right I thought was most abused in this case.

But I have discovered you just like to argue and point our minute mistakes rather than engage in educated discussion. I mention speaking one's mind, and that's all you can see, all you can address. Just as when I use religion as an example i am making a religious arguement, rather than appealing to almost universally accepted standars in western tradition to prove a point. I don't have time for this, I have GRE to take, I'm out.

I see you have no valid way to wiggle out of your mistake...either in the idea or the clumsy grammar...your choice. See ya.

[QUOTE="Insane00"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="hellomotto1"]i just did a history presentation on this....the student had every right to the first amendment, and maybe at first it seemed like he was pysco and he was going to hurt some1 but the actual time when they tasered him was when he was on the ground with his hands above his head, and if you watch the video again and pause right when he gets tasered you can see the male cop grinning....i think the kid did nothing wrong...LJS9502_basic

First...he was asked to leave by the owners....therefore, when he didn't leave he became a trespasser. Therefore, the police were escorting him out and he resisted. He was warned he'd be tased. His fault. Boo hoo.

He was on a university campus, publicly owned, so how can the owner ask him to leave. Further Kerry allowed him to ask his question, despite the fact they had already begun to escort him from the building. They even allowed him to go back to the mic. So why did they have to manhandle him. Now, I have more info than before and I will agree this kid could have gone about things better and been less of a jerk, but he didn't harm anyone, he was polite to Kerry and thanked him for letting him ask his question before he began. He brought up interesting points that I feel we as Americans derserve to at least ask, even if we never will get a straight answer. I just think the cops used excessive force on this one and we shouldn't have to live in a country where we fear what someone will do to us if we say the wrong thing to the wrong person.

Oh, and this isn't new, there have been a number of people arrested for speaking out. I remember during the 2004 campain a couple bought tickets to a Bush rally and wore anti Bush shirts. They were arrested despite the fact that they were completely peaceful andmade no noise or interuptions. Since we could get arrested either way, perhaps its good to makea bunch ofnoise so that the government will realize we are sick and tired of being jerked around.

University Campuses are NOT publicly owned. So your entire arguments falls on that one point.

State Universitiesare on federal land and were created through grants given to the individual states if they promised to offer ROTC as a program at the schools. Thus they are state owned, which means they are public, not private.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_university_system

"Don't tase me bro!" hahahaha best line ever.

I think if they used the earlier, when he kept pulling away from them and 100% resisting arrest it would have been completely warrented, but it did seem rather odd that they tased him when he seemed to be already subdued. I'm not sure, but the cops will always be wrong, no matter what. That's just society, it's cool to hate cops, and all that.

p.s. College kiddies are funny, I think he was crying.

RiSkyBiZ-13

Really? Here in the UK its seems to be that everyone is a hardcore criminal until proven guilty. Traffic cops will spend half an hour looking over you ride before they decide its fine. And you can be done for walking in the highstreet without actually having any money.

Let me ask you this: he was being loud, disruptive and incredibly annoying. If you had a taser in your hand, wouldn't you have zapped him? I probably would. Hell, I've seen people get punched in the back of the head just for walking too slowly...megagene

Well just because someone is annoying doesn't mean you can taze them. I guess if he was asked to leave then he should have gotten all of that, but I think the tazer was a little too extreme.

He was asked to leave by the owner of the property, he resisted. The police then attempted to escort him out. he resisted. What were they supposed to do? I suppose they could have grabed him by the arms and legs and dragged him out instead of tazing him, but the police didn't do anything wrong.

[QUOTE="megagene"]Let me ask you this: he was being loud, disruptive and incredibly annoying. If you had a taser in your hand, wouldn't you have zapped him? I probably would. Hell, I've seen people get punched in the back of the head just for walking too slowly...USmellLikePoopy

Well just because someone is annoying doesn't mean you can taze them. I guess if he was asked to leave then he should have gotten all of that, but I think the tazer was a little too extreme.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that I personally would probably go taze-happy on the guy and lots of others would too.