Student who got tasered at the John Kerry Speech, did the police have a right?

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[QUOTE="megagene"]Let me ask you this: he was being loud, disruptive and incredibly annoying. If you had a taser in your hand, wouldn't you have zapped him? I probably would. Hell, I've seen people get punched in the back of the head just for walking too slowly...megagene

Well just because someone is annoying doesn't mean you can taze them. I guess if he was asked to leave then he should have gotten all of that, but I think the tazer was a little too extreme.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that I personally would probably go taze-happy on the guy and lots of others would too.

So you'd go around tazing lots of others after you're done with him?

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[QUOTE="megagene"][QUOTE="USmellLikePoopy"]

[QUOTE="megagene"]Let me ask you this: he was being loud, disruptive and incredibly annoying. If you had a taser in your hand, wouldn't you have zapped him? I probably would. Hell, I've seen people get punched in the back of the head just for walking too slowly...Truth_Seekr

Well just because someone is annoying doesn't mean you can taze them. I guess if he was asked to leave then he should have gotten all of that, but I think the tazer was a little too extreme.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that I personally would probably go taze-happy on the guy and lots of others would too.

So you'd go around tazing lots of others after you're done with him?

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If they annoyed the living crap out of me and I actually had a taser in my hand, you'd have to try and stop me. :)

Being annoying isn't a good enough reason to throw him to the ground and torture him into submission.Gallion-Beast

Tortured into submission??? hahahahaha!! Yes, they brought out the blow torch and needlenose pliers to get him where they wanted him. Dude, he resisted arrest 100%, and looked like he'd go the hostile route at any moment.

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]Being annoying isn't a good enough reason to throw him to the ground and torture him into submission.RiSkyBiZ-13

Tortured into submission??? hahahahaha!! Yes, they brought out the blow torch and needlenose pliers to get him where they wanted him. Dude, he resisted arrest 100%, and looked like he'd go the hostile route at any moment.

Again, read my previous posts about how the cops are "always wrong".

All the moron would have had to do was put his hands behind his back, they told him several times.

But they were wrong. He had committed no crime to be arrested for in the first place. Not to mention he was lying on the ground with 5 cops over him when he got tasered.Gallion-Beast

thats exactly the point, if he followed their orders and just left in cuffs he would have had grounds file a formal complaint with the police department and probably gotten someone suspended or fired, but no he had to act a complete jackass to the point of being out of control, at that point he deserved it...

Kerry, the person being addressed by the young man, was heard saying to the police to "let the young man finish asking his very important question...", but obviously that didn't matterto them. What's worse is that is happened on a college campus. Of all the places in the world,you'd figure that it would be within our Universities where students can freely express their thoughts with a free flow of opinions. This incident completely proves otherwise.

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State Universitiesare on federal land and were created through grants given to the individual states if they promised to offer ROTC as a program at the schools. Thus they are state owned, which means they are public, not private.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_university_system

Insane00

College is not public property...Public property is supported by tax dollars...not college tuition.:roll:

From about 30 seonds in until 1:50, all the guy is doing is fighting back against the police not shutting up and if you look at 50 seconds in, he appears to even try to take a swing at an officer. They had every right to taze him... personally, I wouldn't have even waited that long.Yagami-Iori

Thank you!

Yep.....his fault.LJS9502_basic

EDIT: His questions were inappropriate, the guy was being rude, and they weren't originally arresting him. They were just taking him out. But him resisting police officers calls for arrest. You guys need to stop being so naive.

Kerry, the person being addressed by the young man, was heard saying to the police to "let the young man finish asking his very important question...", but obviously that didn't matterto them. What's worse is that is happened on a college campus. Of all the places in the world,you'd figure that it would be within our Universities where students can freely express their thoughts with a free flow of opinions. This incident completely proves otherwise.

Truth_Seekr

Colleges allow free flow of thought? Hah. Yeah right. When Condileeza (sp) Rice was supposed to be coming here to make a presentation or speech or something along those lines, we had to submit any questions we wanted to ask. Then, they would hand out cards with the approved questions on them to students. Rice never came, but this was the plan.

Kerry, the person being addressed by the young man, was heard saying to the police to "let the young man finish asking his very important question...", but obviously that didn't matterto them. What's worse is that is happened on a college campus. Of all the places in the world,you'd figure that it would be within our Universities where students can freely express their thoughts with a free flow of opinions. This incident completely proves otherwise.

Truth_Seekr

If I were the student, I would charge the police with aggrivated assault using a weapon (tasers are weapons), he was attacked by police and they were out of line for doing so. The kid may have been rude with his questions but in the end he was assaulted with a weapon by police and there is no excuse for that.

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Kerry, the person being addressed by the young man, was heard saying to the police to "let the young man finish asking his very important question...", but obviously that didn't matterto them. What's worse is that is happened on a college campus. Of all the places in the world,you'd figure that it would be within our Universities where students can freely express their thoughts with a free flow of opinions. This incident completely proves otherwise.

DSgamer64

If I were the student, I would charge the police with aggrivated assault using a weapon (tasers are weapons), he was attacked by police and they were out of line for doing so. The kid may have been rude with his questions but in the end he was assaulted with a weapon by police and there is no excuse for that.

Wow, so many supporters of the cops. I am honestly suprised, that's a rare thing these days. Maybe humanity has a chance after all? You guys rock my socks.RiSkyBiZ-13

[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]Wow, so many supporters of the cops. I am honestly suprised, that's a rare thing these days. Maybe humanity has a chance after all? You guys rock my socks.danteswrath2000

I accept the fact that cops have a difficult and demanding job. My father worked 60+ hours a week for roughly 35k/year simply because he wanted to help people. He's been shot at, spit on, pissed on, beat up- and then I see our generation always pointing the finger at the cops, always assuming the police were in the wrong. Cop hating is the cool thing now, and it makes me sick.

No, I don't BLINDLY follow cops, I understand that there are bad seeds in every organization- including the police. I won't touch the Rodney King discussion anymore, the cops were dealt with and King won a load of money in his lawsuit. In this particular instance, with this college kid, the cops didn't do anything wrong.

He was asked to leave. He refused. The police attempted to peacefully escort him off the premisis, he resisted. The warned him, took his arm, and he pulled away. At one point it appeared he was about to swing at one of the cops. On the ground, the told him many times to put his hands behind his back. He refused. He resisted. They tased him and cuffed him. They did their job.

1: We don't know what he did before the video started to get him arrested.

2: He resisted arrest. That warrents use of force immediately, it's called "Resistant Active."

3: I'll say it again, cops will always be wrong to most people. Unless they wait until THEY get punched, kicked, stabbed, or shot, they're wrong. American society and this pop mtv generation sucks.

RiSkyBiZ-13

Exactly, being an officer. We are hated until needed.Like a guy I deal with constantly due to his crack dealings. Hates officers until last night when a deal went bad and he got an axe in his skull and we got on scene just before the suspect could hit him again. Suspect ran and we caught him in a swamp. Set the K9 on him. Stupid ambulance drivers take them to the same hospital and they meet again in the ER and suspect tries to go at him again. Didn't hear him complain once while we helped him. Although he was about completely scalped and lost alot of blood. He lived and after about 3 hours and 25 staples in his head later, he was all praise even when he went to jail himself this morning after being released from the hospital for outstanding warrants.

[QUOTE="Insane00"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Insane00"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Insane00"]

We've done this before.

And no, unless you want to live in a country where speaking your mind and demanding your constitutional rights (such as the reading of your rights which is demanded by a ruling of the supreme court, thatthe kid never got) are denied.

LJS9502_basic

This is NOT a free speech issue.

And when did I mention free speech. I mentioned maranda rights, which this does concern.

Bolded for you.

Oops, i mentioned speakingone's mind so of course the crux of my arguement concerns the first amendment. Let's all ignore the fact I brought up miranda rights. I mention speaking one's mind cause it goes with constitutional rights, and then brought up the right I thought was most abused in this case.

But I have discovered you just like to argue and point our minute mistakes rather than engage in educated discussion. I mention speaking one's mind, and that's all you can see, all you can address. Just as when I use religion as an example i am making a religious arguement, rather than appealing to almost universally accepted standars in western tradition to prove a point. I don't have time for this, I have GRE to take, I'm out.

I see you have no valid way to wiggle out of your mistake...either in the idea or the clumsy grammar...your choice. See ya.

Yep.....his fault.LJS9502_basic

Don't taser me bro! :shock:

The student was NOT resisting arrest,

Tasering him was definitely an excessive use of force. The student didn't present a threat and could have been arrested and escorted (unnecessary in the first place) withouth the use of a taser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser#Controversies). danteswrath2000

Not resisting?? Did you even watch the video? When you pull away from an officer that places his hand on you (yes, the police are allowed to grab your arm to escort you) you are Resisting. Pulling away, he hit the tier in the "Subject Action" called "Reistant Active." This authorizes the officer to use his next level of "Officer Response" to apprehend the suspect.

Your second statement confirms one of my earlier statements. "He didn't pose a threat." So, in other words, the cop would have had to wait until this punk kid punched him in the face, maybe pulled out a pocket knife and stabbed him? He was becoming more and more beligerant at every moment. The officer reacted- using the taser brought the "Subject Action" back down to "Compliant," he did his job perfectly.

Don't Taz me Bro!!.

As you Yanks like fire arms shouldnt *yo cops capped his ass * lol,

*Pity no ones shot thatmoron bush yet ....all you gun owners sort it out ,replied the rest of the world ,lol*

As you Yanks like fire arms shouldnt *yo cops capped his ass * lol,

*Pity no ones shot thatmoron bush yet ....all you gun owners sort it out ,replied the rest of the world ,lol*

seasider666

[QUOTE="danteswrath2000"]The student was NOT resisting arrest,

Tasering him was definitely an excessive use of force. The student didn't present a threat and could have been arrested and escorted (unnecessary in the first place) withouth the use of a taser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser#Controversies). RiSkyBiZ-13

Not resisting?? Did you even watch the video? When you pull away from an officer that places his hand on you (yes, the police are allowed to grab your arm to escort you) you are Resisting. Pulling away, he hit the tier in the "Subject Action" called "Reistant Active." This authorizes the officer to use his next level of "Officer Response" to apprehend the suspect.

Your second statement confirms one of my earlier statements. "He didn't pose a threat." So, in other words, the cop would have had to wait until this punk kid punched him in the face, maybe pulled out a pocket knife and stabbed him? He was becoming more and more beligerant at every moment. The officer reacted- using the taser brought the "Subject Action" back down to "Compliant," he did his job perfectly.

Your gratuitous use of elipsis is far more clumsy than his grammar. I disagree with you on this issue, and many others (your Jena 6 argument was totally bunk: beating someone unconscious qualifies as battery, and the fact that they were minors means it should be a juvenile case... 22 years iswaytoo harsh). The student was NOT resisting arrest, he asked what he was being charged with, and Kerry asked them to let him go. Tasering him was definitely an excessive use of force. The student didn't present a threat and could have been arrested and escorted (unnecessary in the first place) withouth the use of a taser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser#Controversies).danteswrath2000

Kerry is not the police...nor did he own the building. He was being escorted out.....he resisted. Plainly shown. His fault.They did have a hard time subduing him.

I'm not in the least interested in your critique of my posting style. Apparently you are able to decipher what my posts mean easily enough so I get my point across. His grammar made his statement unclear. The point of posting is to share an opinion which if incorrectly written does NOT get the message through.

As for the Jena6...what I said was the description for attempted murder included....reckless disregard for human life...which is why the DA was able to bring that charge. It's for the jury to decide the verdict. Law 101.

Are you serious? They tased a U of Florida student! He wasn't on the verge of pulling out a gun to empty some clips in the cops. I watched the video, and he put up a minor resistance that the cops could have dealt with without the use of force.danteswrath2000

That sounds familiar... "Are you serious? He's just a Virginia Tech student!"

A cop in my city was doing a routine traffic stop last week. The driver was very polite before he shot the cop in the face. You never know, they were precautious. The student resisted, and they reacted. End of story.

DON'T TASE ME BRO!the_man03

lol

As wrong as it was all that to have happened to him, I couldn't help but burst out LOL literallywhen I heard him say that!!

[QUOTE="the_man03"]DON'T TASE ME BRO!Truth_Seekr

lol

As wrong as it was all that to have happened to him, I couldn't help but burst out LOL literallywhen I heard him say that!!

I feel horrible, but I LOL'd even harder when he started crying out (when they tasered him) :lol:

Looked like a good enough reason to test the zappers out on someone.

You resist arrest, and the cops have authorisation to use non-lethal methods to get compliance out of you, end of story. That's legal, and your freedom of speech argument is worthless to that, because he attempted to resist arrest.

It's not like they shot him in the leg with a bullet. They tasered him, temporary incapacitation for resisting arrest.

The Situation (I wasn't there, but from what I've heard and read):

Time was up for questions, he mouthed off that he wanted a question (yet went for 3 questions after question time), he didn't give Kerry a chance for his response to each of the questions, and then his mic was shut off. When it was shut off, he should've just realised his time was up, not got worked up and made an incident.

Instead, he runs around, "You've got no right" and stuff, the police tried to escort him out so the possibility of a dangerous situation escalating out of hand was minimised but instead he tries to resist.

So they take him away, he was warned, he didn't go quietly, he squealed about it and tried to incite a riot. So they tasered him, and he was taken away because he failed to comply with the officers.

The cops handled it pretty well, if he had a weapon, and another person had of been injured because of his actions, all you "Freedom of Speech" band wagon jumpers would be saying "The cops should've done more to stop the incident from escalating".

It's always the cops who are the bad guys, yet they did nothing but what they were allowed to do by law. That clown didn't obey the laws and thus was tasered. The cops had every right to use that amount of force to get rid of him. No more, no less. If he was beaten within an inch of his life, or shot at, then yes. But because it was only tasering, the police are within their rights

Anyone who says otherwise are wrong.

From what i watched clearly this dude didn't do anything wrong other than ask the " unacceptable questions ".Honenheim

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]But they were wrong. He had committed no crime to be arrested for in the first place. Not to mention he was lying on the ground with 5 cops over him when he got tasered.g-unit248

thats exactly the point, if he followed their orders and just left in cuffs he would have had grounds file a formal complaint with the police department and probably gotten someone suspended or fired, but no he had to act a complete jackass to the point of being out of control, at that point he deserved it...

Chances are that if he followed their instruction he wouldn't even have been put in cuffs. They probably would have just lead him out and let him go. It was his hysteria that got him arrested.

From what i watched clearly this dude didn't do anything wrong other than ask the " unacceptable questions ".Honenheim

So you didnt see him not listen to officers? You didnt see him swinging his arms to get out of there restraints? You didnt see him struggle as they tried to subdue him? You didnt see him trying to get the cops off him?You didnt see him resisting arrest? Hmmm, id go back and watch it again, cause you clearly missed something.