Students Told to Call 9-11 Hijackers Freedom Fighters

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#151 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]If you assume they had this planned, and given how successful it was and how much preparation would have gone into this we must assume it was planned for some time, then it's clear the plan was to maximize the profile of the attack and not to maximize casualties. It's just a simple fact that they could have killed many more people. Could they have caused more impact though?PWSteal_Ldpinch

They could have attacked the statue of liberty which would have been a more symbolic blow to the image of the United States and would have resulted fewer casualties. In any case I'm done with this argument since it has devolved to pure conjecture without you or Worlock providing any statement from Al Qaeda that supports your argument.

Assuming these guys think America actually represents liberty rather than economic and military authority over their homeland. Yeah no, what these guys targeted was spot on and given that one plane went down we can't be sure what their other intended target was. Given their lack of trying to maximize civilian deaths though it's obvious they weren't trying to maximize civilian deaths. They weren't trying to minimize civilian deaths either. What they were trying to do was hit landmarks of value. The statue of liberty is, frankly, useless beyond a monument. The WTC and Pentagon were/are both symbols of America and actually served a practical use. I'm not sure if you comprehend that there are levels between minimizing and maximizing though, based on what I'm seeing I don't think you do.
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#152 hartsickdiscipl
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The Texas-bashing here only goes to prove that OT is full of more ignorance than any state.  

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#153 Jakejack
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Only thing I took out of this stupid story is the hilarious way in which it just shows how ridiculous people sound when they think any form of increased tolerance towards other view points is an attack on their own. Not saying I think anything in the article is justified, but I love how increased teaching and acceptance of Islam is automatically labelled anti-Christian or attacking Christianity. Pretty hard to relate to a group crying for tolerance of their own beliefs when they are so blatantly intolerant of others.

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How about Nazi day where they go around refering to jews as (fill bad word in here) and do the Nazi salute all day?  Where do you draw the line in the sand?  How about a KKK day where you walk around in white robes and refer to klansmen as "race protectors?"

 

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#154 Jakejack
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Only thing I took out of this stupid story is the hilarious way in which it just shows how ridiculous people sound when they think any form of increased tolerance towards other view points is an attack on their own. Not saying I think anything in the article is justified, but I love how increased teaching and acceptance of Islam is automatically labelled anti-Christian or attacking Christianity. Pretty hard to relate to a group crying for tolerance of their own beliefs when they are so blatantly intolerant of others.

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How about Nazi day where they go around refering to jews as (fill bad word in here) and do the Nazi salute all day?  Where do you draw the line in the sand?  How about a KKK day where you walk around in white robes and refer to klansmen as "race protectors?"

 

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#155 Stesilaus
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It could reasonably be argued that all of the 9/11 attacks were aimed at legitimate military targets ...

This was obviously true of the Pentagon.

It was also true of WTC1, where Boeing(a part of the military-industrial complex) was one of the tenants.

It was true of WTC2, where missile manufacturer and defense contractor Raytheonwas one of the tenants.

It was true of WTC7, where the tenants included the Department of Defense, CIAand US Secret Service.

There would have been few civilian casualties on 9/11 if these military targets hadn't been placed among civilians, so as to use the latter as human shields.

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#156 Nayef_shroof
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What's hilarious here is that the teacher and principal assumed other people from "different backgrounds" (Middle Easterners/non-Middle Eastern muslims) reagrd the 9-11 terrorists as freedom fighters...Also, what is "Islamic garb"? The burqa is not required for women to wear, only the Hijab (head scarf) when in public or in the company of non-relatives of the opposite sex. Muslims around the world wear different styles of clothing depending on the culture or region they're from...

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#157 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]The fact that politicians have a problem supporting vouchers for education proves that they are more interested in funding the schools themselves than the process of being educated. They are more interested in supporting institutions than in giving children an opportunity to learn. The answer to the question of what to do about funding public education/schools is very simple: stop funding them with stolen money.Laihendi

The irony here about you accusing public officials of not caring about giving children an opportunity to learn yet you support private education that only the rich can afford is hilarious. I'm also starting to think you're really just an elaborate joke/troll character.

2. The middle class holds the vast majority of wealth in this country, and all of the money the government uses to fund "education" is money it takes from the people (mostly the middle class). If it was true that only the rich could afford education for themselves, then it would be impossible for all of these public schools to exist today, because there wouldn't be enough money to fund them.

 not as such, no.

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#158 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]The irony here about you accusing public officials of not caring about giving children an opportunity to learn yet you support private education that only the rich can afford is hilarious. I'm also starting to think you're really just an elaborate joke/troll character.

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2. The middle class holds the vast majority of wealth in this country, and all of the money the government uses to fund "education" is money it takes from the people (mostly the middle class). If it was true that only the rich could afford education for themselves, then it would be impossible for all of these public schools to exist today, because there wouldn't be enough money to fund them.

 not as such, no.

american-wealth-distribution1.png

That is not accurate at all. Do you have a credible source to support that claim?
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#159 Ace6301
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That is not accurate at all. Do you have a credible source to support that claim?Laihendi
I agree it. It looks like the portion owned by the 90% is greater than 20% of the US.  My favourite part is that wealth inequality has gotten worse since this data too.
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#160 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is not accurate at all. Do you have a credible source to support that claim?Ace6301
I agree it. It looks like the portion owned by the 90% is greater than 20% of the US.  My favourite part is that wealth inequality has gotten worse since this data too.

That is just another picture. It doesn't mean anything if you don't have a credible source to back it up with. I could make a phony pie chart to support my claims if I wanted to, but I won't because I would rather have a serious discussion.
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#161 Laihendi
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You obviously haven't been to America if you think the wealth distribution is anything like that.
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That is just another picture. It doesn't mean anything if you don't have a credible source to back it up with. I could make a phony pie chart to support my claims if I wanted to, but I won't because I would rather have a serious discussion.Laihendi
"Edward N. Wolff, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College, March 2010" http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf Lai have you been to the States? I somehow doubt it. I'm almost certain I've seen more of it, both the good and the bad, than you.
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#163 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is just another picture. It doesn't mean anything if you don't have a credible source to back it up with. I could make a phony pie chart to support my claims if I wanted to, but I won't because I would rather have a serious discussion.Ace6301
"Edward N. Wolff, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College, March 2010" http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf Lai have you been to the States? I somehow doubt it. I'm almost certain I've seen more of it, both the good and the bad, than you.

I live in the US. Anyways, I have done research on this person and he has worked for the UN and he wrote a book called "Economics of Poverty, Inequality, and Discrimination" which are all liberal talking points. He also works at NYU, which is where Obama's Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew worked for many years before being appointed by Obama. I am not saying that he is politically motivated, but it would not surprise me at all.
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#164 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is just another picture. It doesn't mean anything if you don't have a credible source to back it up with. I could make a phony pie chart to support my claims if I wanted to, but I won't because I would rather have a serious discussion.Laihendi
"Edward N. Wolff, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College, March 2010" http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf Lai have you been to the States? I somehow doubt it. I'm almost certain I've seen more of it, both the good and the bad, than you.

I live in the US. Anyways, I have done research on this person and he has worked for the UN and he wrote a book called "Economics of Poverty, Inequality, and Discrimination" which are all liberal talking points. He also works at NYU, which is where Obama's Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew worked for many years before being appointed by Obama. I am not saying that he is politically motivated, but it would not surprise me at all.

Why would any of that bother you? You exclusively post biased websites. Also what State? Ever left it? Ever left the country?
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#165 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] "Edward N. Wolff, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College, March 2010" http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf Lai have you been to the States? I somehow doubt it. I'm almost certain I've seen more of it, both the good and the bad, than you.

I live in the US. Anyways, I have done research on this person and he has worked for the UN and he wrote a book called "Economics of Poverty, Inequality, and Discrimination" which are all liberal talking points. He also works at NYU, which is where Obama's Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew worked for many years before being appointed by Obama. I am not saying that he is politically motivated, but it would not surprise me at all.

Why would any of that bother you? You exclusively post biased websites. Also what State? Ever left it? Ever left the country?

It bothers me because those are all indicators that he has a liberal agenda. Where I live is my own business, but I will say that I am well-traveled and have been to many socialist countries, such as Argentina. I have walked through the streets of Buenos Aires and seen the countless thousands of homeless living in boxes on the streets. That is the kind of society you get when you scorn money, productive work, and personal responsibility, and leave everything to the government.
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is just another picture. It doesn't mean anything if you don't have a credible source to back it up with. I could make a phony pie chart to support my claims if I wanted to, but I won't because I would rather have a serious discussion.Laihendi
"Edward N. Wolff, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College, March 2010" http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf Lai have you been to the States? I somehow doubt it. I'm almost certain I've seen more of it, both the good and the bad, than you.

I live in the US. Anyways, I have done research on this person and he has worked for the UN and he wrote a book called "Economics of Poverty, Inequality, and Discrimination" which are all liberal talking points. He also works at NYU, which is where Obama's Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew worked for many years before being appointed by Obama. I am not saying that he is politically motivated, but it would not surprise me at all.

lmao

you are truly awful at trying to decipher ulterior motives 

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is just another picture. It doesn't mean anything if you don't have a credible source to back it up with. I could make a phony pie chart to support my claims if I wanted to, but I won't because I would rather have a serious discussion.Laihendi
"Edward N. Wolff, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College, March 2010" http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf Lai have you been to the States? I somehow doubt it. I'm almost certain I've seen more of it, both the good and the bad, than you.

I live in the US. Anyways, I have done research on this person and he has worked for the UN and he wrote a book called "Economics of Poverty, Inequality, and Discrimination" which are all liberal talking points. He also works at NYU, which is where Obama's Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew worked for many years before being appointed by Obama. I am not saying that he is politically motivated, but it would not surprise me at all.

Dat Ad hominem.

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#168 worlock77
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I live in the US. Anyways, I have done research on this person and he has worked for the UN and he wrote a book called "Economics of Poverty, Inequality, and Discrimination" which are all liberal talking points. He also works at NYU, which is where Obama's Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew worked for many years before being appointed by Obama. I am not saying that he is politically motivated, but it would not surprise me at all.Laihendi
Why would any of that bother you? You exclusively post biased websites. Also what State? Ever left it? Ever left the country?

It bothers me because those are all indicators that he has a liberal agenda. Where I live is my own business, but I will say that I am well-traveled and have been to many socialist countries, such as Argentina. I have walked through the streets of Buenos Aires and seen the countless thousands of homeless living in boxes on the streets. That is the kind of society you get when you scorn money, productive work, and personal responsibility, and leave everything to the government.

Since when is Argentina a socialist country?

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Why would any of that bother you? You exclusively post biased websites. Also what State? Ever left it? Ever left the country?worlock77

It bothers me because those are all indicators that he has a liberal agenda. Where I live is my own business, but I will say that I am well-traveled and have been to many socialist countries, such as Argentina. I have walked through the streets of Buenos Aires and seen the countless thousands of homeless living in boxes on the streets. That is the kind of society you get when you scorn money, productive work, and personal responsibility, and leave everything to the government.

Since when is Argentina a socialist country?

Short of Somalia, every nation is too socialist for him.
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Lai, I wish to be a disciple in your financial independence class. Teach me how to leech off my parental inheritance for 30 years.
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Lai, I wish to be a disciple in your financial independence class. Teach me how to leech off my parental inheritance for 30 years. DroidPhysX

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#172 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I live in the US. Anyways, I have done research on this person and he has worked for the UN and he wrote a book called "Economics of Poverty, Inequality, and Discrimination" which are all liberal talking points. He also works at NYU, which is where Obama's Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew worked for many years before being appointed by Obama. I am not saying that he is politically motivated, but it would not surprise me at all.

Why would any of that bother you? You exclusively post biased websites. Also what State? Ever left it? Ever left the country?

It bothers me because those are all indicators that he has a liberal agenda. Where I live is my own business, but I will say that I am well-traveled and have been to many socialist countries, such as Argentina. I have walked through the streets of Buenos Aires and seen the countless thousands of homeless living in boxes on the streets. That is the kind of society you get when you scorn money, productive work, and personal responsibility, and leave everything to the government.

Was going to Argentina what changed your mind about socialism?
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Click here. 

What is your opinion of this style of "teaching?"

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lol @ everyone who thought homeschooling was a bad idea.
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#174 chaoscougar1
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Anyone who murders thousands of innocents is not a "freedom fighter," they are a terrorist (and similarly with calling the holocaust an "ethnic cleansing" instead of genocide). It doesn't matter what country they're from. If I were the principal I would tell this teacher their services were no longer required.chessmaster1989
Her mother added that it was her impression that the teacher did not agree with the quote about calling the terrorists freedom fighters and laced her lecture with sarcasm. During a lesson on Judaism, LeBlanc said the teacher told the class, Students, Im supposed to be politically correct and tell you that the Holocaust was not Genocide. It was an ethnic cleansing. Read ze article next time
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#175 comp_atkins
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You obviously haven't been to America if you think the wealth distribution is anything like that.Laihendi
ignore facts w/ "well, you have been to america then" well done, sir. well done.
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#176 CKYguy25
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i've never heard of such a thing

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#177 The-Apostle
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I find it hard to believe this is coming from Texas. Texas is generally anti-politically correct crap.