Studying history is pointless

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Plus, i'm talking more about high school history that is taught to kids and teenagers. Of course studying history as a real scholar or academic would be an interesting and worthwhile exercise, but the study of history in school is more like indoctrination if you ask me, and a chance for each country in the world to raise their next generation with an unbalanced view of their homeland. Ilovegames1992

Hm i think thats a rather cynical/paranoid view. Even if that were the case, the smart person wouldnt be relying solely on learning in school. And you are not prevented from individual studying are you :)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Studying history (in the US edumacation system) is pointless.foxhound_fox

You have yet to articulate why studying history is pointless. Please try to support your claim.thegerg

i love history, The idea is too read as much on a subject as possible and you should get a good idea of where the truth lies.

History is great, but you have to learn it yourself, or learn it with proper scholars. Schools teach nothing but crap because the curriculum is centered around justification of their respective governments and systems. Learn who can be trusted, learn to see patterns, do not accept anything at face value and you will see our history is the most precious thing we have.optiow

[QUOTE="thegerg"]You have yet to articulate why studying history is pointless. Please try to support your claim.Ninja-Hippo

Maybe this just happens in 'Murica...?

I remember my history teacher years ago telling me that he met a Japanese man who recently came to the country. They were making small talk and all that when the Japanese man said, "Did you know there's a military base at Pearl Harbor? I had no idea."swivet-

Being able to recognize when you're reading an actual fact as opposed to a biased opinion is an essential skill, even if you're just reading today's newspaper. To write off history as bull**** because biased opinions exist, well, that's kind of silly.

If you don't learn from the past, history is doomed to repeat itself.

Plus, history is fascinating.

Being able to recognize when you're reading an actual fact as opposed to a biased opinion is an essential skill, even if you're just reading today's newspaper. To write off history as bull**** because biased opinions exist, well, that's kind of silly.

Jackc8

I agree whole heartedly.

[QUOTE="swivet-"]I remember my history teacher years ago telling me that he met a Japanese man who recently came to the country. They were making small talk and all that when the Japanese man said, "Did you know there's a military base at Pearl Harbor? I had no idea."BranKetra

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="swivet-"]I remember my history teacher years ago telling me that he met a Japanese man who recently came to the country. They were making small talk and all that when the Japanese man said, "Did you know there's a military base at Pearl Harbor? I had no idea."swivet-

[QUOTE="Jackc8"]

Being able to recognize when you're reading an actual fact as opposed to a biased opinion is an essential skill, even if you're just reading today's newspaper. To write off history as bull**** because biased opinions exist, well, that's kind of silly.

muller39

I agree whole heartedly.

[QUOTE="muller39"]

[QUOTE="Jackc8"]

Being able to recognize when you're reading an actual fact as opposed to a biased opinion is an essential skill, even if you're just reading today's newspaper. To write off history as bull**** because biased opinions exist, well, that's kind of silly.

Victorious_Fize

I agree whole heartedly.

[QUOTE="swivet-"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Was he being sarcastic?BranKetra

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I too LOVED history, which is why i'm saddened to discover that most of everything i've ever 'learned' is bulls*it. Ninja-Hippo

In what way was it bullsh*t

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]Voltaire has said that history is fables agreed upon, and he was right.horgen123

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="swivet-"] Nope. He really didn't know about Pearl Harbor.swivet-

Certainly you have to evaluate every source of information you get. History can be quite subjective. An american perspective on the american revolution would obviously be different than that of a British one. However, the french may also have a different view of the american revolution than the british.

Certainly you have to evaluate every source of information you get. History can be quite subjective. An american perspective on the american revolution would obviously be different than that of a British one. However, the french may also have a different view of the american revolution than the british.

sonicare

[QUOTE="swivet-"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Kind of an odd thing to say out of the blue.BranKetra

If you don't learn from the past, history is doomed to repeat itself.

Plus, history is fascinating.

realguitarhero5

Absolutely. History helps us adapt for the future and avoid flaws of the past.

Wouldn't be the first time you stated your opinion without understanding the situtation.GreenPatchSky

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Certainly you have to evaluate every source of information you get. History can be quite subjective. An american perspective on the american revolution would obviously be different than that of a British one. However, the french may also have a different view of the american revolution than the british.

Frame_Dragger

Often in history events are objective while the reasons are subjective. If the events after studying several sources begin to appear subjective then that's a good indication that the reasons are also.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Certainly you have to evaluate every source of information you get. History can be quite subjective. An american perspective on the american revolution would obviously be different than that of a British one. However, the french may also have a different view of the american revolution than the british.

Often in history events are objective while the reasons are subjective. If the events after studying several sources begin to appear subjective then that's a good indication that the reasons are also.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Certainly you have to evaluate every source of information you get. History can be quite subjective. An american perspective on the american revolution would obviously be different than that of a British one. However, the french may also have a different view of the american revolution than the british.

mattisgod01

Often in history events are objective while the reasons are subjective. If the events after studying several sources begin to appear subjective then that's a good indication that the reasons are also.

I mean to say, I don't see what you're getting at.

[QUOTE="-DirtySanchez-"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Whose to say both perspectives aren't right?

I think studying only one perspective of history is pointless.

thegerg

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

butteman12

[QUOTE="GreenPatchSky"]Wouldn't be the first time you stated your opinion without understanding the situtation.BranKetra

[QUOTE="butteman12"]

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Miroku32

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="GreenPatchSky"]Wouldn't be the first time you stated your opinion without understanding the situtation.GreenPatchSky

[QUOTE="GreenPatchSky"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Do tell.BranKetra

Believe it or not I was a member on December 23, 2011. Did you think I made 200 posts within the last two days? Also, you told me to give you an example. I gave you one and your response is why are you reading my posts? Cmon now.

Believe it or not I was a member on December 23, 2011. Did you think I made 200 posts within the last two days? Also, you told me to give you an example. I gave you one and your response is why are you reading my posts? Cmon now.

GreenPatchSky

[QUOTE="GreenPatchSky"]

Believe it or not I was a member on December 23, 2011. Did you think I made 200 posts within the last two days? Also, you told me to give you an example. I gave you one and your response is why are you reading my posts? Cmon now.

BranKetra

I made that thread to make fun of the other thread that was Brock Lesner vs. 3 monkeys, it was never meant to be taken seriously. You tried talking sh*t in my Kobe thread and that thread was actually quite good. As for "I'm not even going to explain that quote you found" that seems awefully convienent. Anyways I don't care if you explain your self or not. I provided an example for your original question "Do Tell". Now do me a favor and stay out of my threads in the future, you add no value and as I have stated before you are the definition of buzz kill.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] ...And you need to study them all, and probably realize that there is no ONE history you can ever be sure of, only elements which agree and seem most plausible according to a majority of sources. Critical thinking baby.BranKetra

Often in history events are objective while the reasons are subjective. If the events after studying several sources begin to appear subjective then that's a good indication that the reasons are also.

I mean to say, I don't see what you're getting at.

Without omniscience you can't know for sure whether an event really happened the way it was said to have, However if there is a general consensus among historians when it comes to a certain event then there would be no reason to assume that wasn't the case. If you read up on a past battle and different historical accounts can't even agree on who was victorious then chances are any reason they give for one side being victorious are speculative at best. Like in your example, We know George Bush was president during said period, that is objective, We also know what policies he implemented and when, What is often subjective is the reasons put forward for those decisions. Knowone would disagree that during his time he went to war with Iraq, Depending on who you talk to however, Many people disagree on the reasons. If we have trouble figuring out reasons for events that occured while they are happening then it stands to reason that past events would be no easier to determine.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="GreenPatchSky"]

Believe it or not I was a member on December 23, 2011. Did you think I made 200 posts within the last two days? Also, you told me to give you an example. I gave you one and your response is why are you reading my posts? Cmon now.

GreenPatchSky

I made that thread to make fun of the other thread that was Brock Lesner vs. 3 monkeys, it was never meant to be taken seriously. You tried talking sh*t in my Kobe thread and that thread was actually quite good. As for "I'm not even going to explain that quote you found" that seems awefully convienent. Anyways I don't care if you explain your self or not. I provided an example for your original question "Do Tell". Now do me a favor and stay out of my threads in the future, you add no value and as I have stated before you are the definition of buzz kill.

First all, I thought I made it clear that in that "Kobe thread," it's standard practice in OT to say something in an opening post besides just quoting an article and basically saying "discuss."If you don't want to take advice that will keep from being locked, then it's a problem. I don't want to have to waste my time reading poorly-made threads, but the newer ones show, regardless of the user who posts it. Next, "awfully convienent?" What is that supposed to mean? Moving on, if you don't care what I have to say about something, even if it would give perspective, you're either: A) Close-minded, having formed an opinion without fully understanding the situation or B) A dick.Finally, this is a public forum. Anyone here can view and post in any thread we want to. Ifyou can't handle people telling youwhat they think over the internet, make a private blog. I don't findchildish humorfunny. Cry me a river.

"Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it." It's true but then again we know our past but are still doing the same things they did hundreds of years ago.

[QUOTE="GreenPatchSky"]

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BranKetra

Hey I have not been a member nearly as long as you but I did learn how to quote text day one. If you need help PM me and I can teach you how to do it.