How did Superman manage to get defeated by Doomsday and Gog if he's so gosh darn powerful?
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Justice League superman is not included, nor is the original version from the late 30s to the early 50s. Any other version is just an unfair fight. Here is a comparison.
Superman:
-100% invunlerable to everything that isn't magic or from kyrpton
-No speed limit as well as no limit to how much force he can hit you with
-Master of 28 galaxies worth of information including fighting arts
-Doesn't need air, water, food, or sleep. Everything he needs to survive is provided by the sun of a yellow or blue color
-Infinite endurance.
-Breaks the laws of the universe, he can fly billions of times faster than light speed and not wreck the earth or universe, he can speak in space and time travel
-Reaction time has no limits
Greatest Feats:
-lifting 4 quadrillion tons in a sickly state nowhere near 100% ( most weight ever stated that he can lift ) but has chained planets together and towed them, as well as closing a black hole with his bare hands.
-Flying so fast around earth that it stops and turns the other way, then flys back the right way and sets is perfectly back into sync.
-sitting inside the hottest known stars for fun and when he is bored ( his suit doesnt even burn or take any damage, goku would fry even at ssj4 )
-Flying from earth to another galaxy and back before lois can blink
Goku:
-A mortal saiyan with incredibly powerful Ki energy, but vulnerable to virtually anything more powerful than him: IE suns and stars, extreme cold, lava ( broly couldnt handle lava, he is stronger than ssj2 )
-May be able to move at light speed in short bursts during a fight, but cannot fly nearly that fast, Instant Transmission to other places with a Ki signature. Instant travel anywhere, but needs to lock onto a place to IT to before actually going.
-Master of a few earthly fighting arts and otherworld. Still didn't do very well against SSJ2 majin Vegeta who is a master of many more styles than him. So otherworld training isn't so great, he still gets his butt kicked often.
-Is limited by his Ki and power level at the time, which limits his physical power, speed. Cannot maintain SSJ2-3 for extended periods of time, as he stated it burns too much energy off too quickly, after a short time, he can pass out from exhaustion.
Greatest Feats:
-with a power level of 120, you can blow up the moon with a Ki attack, goku has a power level in the 100s of millions if not billions at ssj3-4
-flying fast enough to destroy cities in his wake ( cell did it, so goku can too im sure )
Superman vs goku is an unfair fight and only fanboys who dont know anything about superman say goku would win. You cannot beat someone physically who is invulnerble with no speed limits, and who is a much better fighter than goku can ever dream to be.
kryptonianpride
Goku has instant transmission though, so couldn't he just instant transmission Superman to a planet without a yellow or blue sun? Or just to a room with krypton in it?
[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]Well goku can blow a planet up and Superman can;t.... I think that shows Gokus powers definitely a million times better than Supermans.Second_RookSuperman won't friend, Superman won't.... My choice is Superman, he has defeated beings more powerful than Goku. I remember this thread being made quite some time ago, the end result is inevitably fanboy worship statements. Japanophiles are a hell of a thing.
Japanophiles? Please. What about Americanophiles and their love for a character as inconsistent as Superman? Goku is one character. Superman basically equates to multiple characters, all varying vastly in terms of power. Fanboys will obviously pick some random Superman from decades ago in an attempt to make a point.
Doomsday is insanely powerful and possesses boundless energy. Gog attacked him with dozens of himself using a time travel trick. At least DC is willing to have it's primary character take a fall.How did Superman manage to get defeated by Doomsday and Gog if he's so gosh darn powerful?
Hexagon_777
Could say the same for how many times Goku has died.How did Superman manage to get defeated by Doomsday and Gog if he's so gosh darn powerful?
Hexagon_777
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]How did Superman manage to get defeated by Doomsday and Gog if he's so gosh darn powerful?Second_RookDoomsday is insanely powerful and possesses boundless energy. Gog attacked him with dozens of himself using a time travel trick. At least DC is willing to have it's primary character take a fall.
Going by the movie, Doomsday and Superman didn't deliver anything too impressive but that, of course, wasn't the real Doomsday and Superman, am I right? And what do you mean with the last statement? Superman dies and comes back, and so does Goku.
Superman won't friend, Superman won't.... My choice is Superman, he has defeated beings more powerful than Goku. I remember this thread being made quite some time ago, the end result is inevitably fanboy worship statements. Japanophiles are a hell of a thing.[QUOTE="Second_Rook"][QUOTE="bigblunt537"]Well goku can blow a planet up and Superman can;t.... I think that shows Gokus powers definitely a million times better than Supermans.Hexagon_777
Japanophiles? Please. What about Americanophiles and their love for a character as inconsistent as Superman? Goku is one character. Superman basically equates to multiple characters, all varying vastly in terms of power. Fanboys will obviously pick some random Superman from decades ago in an attempt to make a point.
When a character has been around for over 70 years you expect a little ebb and flow as he is handled by a myriad writers and editors.[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Doomsday is insanely powerful and possesses boundless energy. Gog attacked him with dozens of himself using a time travel trick. At least DC is willing to have it's primary character take a fall. That doesn't really make any sense. Goku dies several times and fails pretty often throughout the show. Also from what I've read Doomsday is less powerful than Goku in terms of non-arbitrary damage (ie. Not to characters) though I could be mistaken since It's been years since I watched DB and never really cared about DC comics.How did Superman manage to get defeated by Doomsday and Gog if he's so gosh darn powerful?
Second_Rook
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]How did Superman manage to get defeated by Doomsday and Gog if he's so gosh darn powerful?FrostyPhantasmCould say the same for how many times Goku has died.
Goku is nowhere near Superman apparently and despite that, he's only died twice, sacrificing himself.
Doomsday is insanely powerful and possesses boundless energy. Gog attacked him with dozens of himself using a time travel trick. At least DC is willing to have it's primary character take a fall.[QUOTE="Second_Rook"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]How did Superman manage to get defeated by Doomsday and Gog if he's so gosh darn powerful?Hexagon_777
Going by the movie, Doomsday and Superman didn't deliver anything too impressive but that, of course, wasn't the real Doomsday and Superman, am I right? And what do you mean with the last statement? Superman dies and comes back, and so does Goku.
Does he? I'm not terribly familiar with DBZ. Making me guilty of said fanboyism. In the end it's probably a pointless comparison, they are both the most powerful being in their respective realities and the creators will never make a crossover happen, so I suppose fans of Manga are gonna say Goku, fans of comic books are gonna say Superman. We all like what we like.Going by the movie, Doomsday and Superman didn't deliver anything too impressive but that, of course, wasn't the real Doomsday and Superman, am I right?
Oh that, you mean the cartoon Doomsday? That was pretty weak. I actually couldn't stand it. As I admitted in my last post comic books are the one thing I could be accused of fanboyism in regard to. I have a pretty strong distaste for my comics being adapted to other mediums. Anyway the first ink and paper battle between Doomsday and Superman is the definitive one as far as I'm concerned.[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Second_Rook"] Superman won't friend, Superman won't.... My choice is Superman, he has defeated beings more powerful than Goku. I remember this thread being made quite some time ago, the end result is inevitably fanboy worship statements. Japanophiles are a hell of a thing. Second_RookJapanophiles? Please. What about Americanophiles and their love for a character as inconsistent as Superman? Goku is one character. Superman basically equates to multiple characters, all varying vastly in terms of power. Fanboys will obviously pick some random Superman from decades ago in an attempt to make a point. When a character has been around for over 70 years you expect a little ebb and flow as he is handled by a myriad writers and editors.
A little ebb and flow is a vast understatement.
Superman has longevity. Goku is a hero for 6 and 7 year olds. My vote is for superman.sonicare
Wait...what? :?
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Second_Rook"] Doomsday is insanely powerful and possesses boundless energy. Gog attacked him with dozens of himself using a time travel trick. At least DC is willing to have it's primary character take a fall.Second_RookGoing by the movie, Doomsday and Superman didn't deliver anything too impressive but that, of course, wasn't the real Doomsday and Superman, am I right? And what do you mean with the last statement? Superman dies and comes back, and so does Goku. Does he? I'm not terribly familiar with DBZ. Making me guilty of said fanboyism. In the end it's probably a pointless comparison, they are both the most powerful being in their respective realities and the creators will never make a crossover happen, so I suppose fans of Manga are gonna say Goku, fans of comic books are gonna say Superman. We all like what we like.
Goku dies twice to sacrifice himself. And yes, I agree, that sounds sensible. Then again, Goku isn't really the most powerful being in his universe.
Goku dies twice to sacrifice himself. And yes, I agree, that sounds sensible. Then again, Goku isn't really the most powerful being in his universe.I suppose a case could also be made that Superman is not either, but it would have to be a good case. I assumed that Goku was due to the fact that he's the one that I always hear about.Hexagon_777
[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Going by the movie, Doomsday and Superman didn't deliver anything too impressive but that, of course, wasn't the real Doomsday and Superman, am I right? Second_RookOh that, you mean the cartoon Doomsday? That was pretty weak. I actually couldn't stand it. As I admitted in my last post comic books are the one thing I could be accused of fanboyism in regard to. I have a pretty strong distaste for my comics being adapted to other mediums. Anyway the first ink and paper battle between Doomsday and Superman is the definitive one as far as I'm concerned.
Going by comic books, it would make sense to compare the Hulk and Superman since a certain friend of mine wouldn't stop raving about the Hulk at one point. I seemingly underestimated the big, green guy going by World War Hulk.
Oh that, you mean the cartoon Doomsday? That was pretty weak. I actually couldn't stand it. As I admitted in my last post comic books are the one thing I could be accused of fanboyism in regard to. I have a pretty strong distaste for my comics being adapted to other mediums. Anyway the first ink and paper battle between Doomsday and Superman is the definitive one as far as I'm concerned.[QUOTE="Second_Rook"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Going by the movie, Doomsday and Superman didn't deliver anything too impressive but that, of course, wasn't the real Doomsday and Superman, am I right? Hexagon_777
Going by comic books, it would make sense to compare the Hulk and Superman since a certain friend of mine wouldn't stop raving about the Hulk at one point. I seemingly underestimated the big, green guy going by World War Hulk.
Well the "good guys" had shot him into outer space, he had every right to be angry. Hulk vs Superman happened in a crossover and had Superman coming out on top, but I think that was decided by fan vote.Oh I forgot, regarding this discussion about Superman vs Goku, I've never understood why do some people think Goku is the strongest anime character or just invincible just because he can destroy planets? Broly destroyed a galaxy but he was also defeated, in fact I'm sure every fictional character can be defeated in a fight.6_voltsIt's more than that. He has no limits to the power he can amass. And he can use the spirit bomb.
Well goku can blow a planet up and Superman can;t.... I think that shows Gokus powers definitely a million times better than Supermans.
bigblunt537
Possibly. But Superman stopped the Earth from revolving around the Sun for a few seconds to save it from an alien.
Superman could punch Goku at lightspeed, break the time barrier, go back in the past a millisecond prior, punch him again, then keep repeating.:lol:
[QUOTE="6_volts"]Oh I forgot, regarding this discussion about Superman vs Goku, I've never understood why do some people think Goku is the strongest anime character or just invincible just because he can destroy planets? Broly destroyed a galaxy but he was also defeated, in fact I'm sure every fictional character can be defeated in a fight.BranKetraIt's more than that. He has no limits to the power he can amass. And he can use the spirit bomb.That doesn't mean he's invincible.
[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="6_volts"]Oh I forgot, regarding this discussion about Superman vs Goku, I've never understood why do some people think Goku is the strongest anime character or just invincible just because he can destroy planets? Broly destroyed a galaxy but he was also defeated, in fact I'm sure every fictional character can be defeated in a fight.6_voltsIt's more than that. He has no limits to the power he can amass. And he can use the spirit bomb.That doesn't mean he's invincible. Actually, it does. In comparison anyway. If someone's ki is much higher than another person's, they can't really hurt them. I don't know how DC judges character's battle power...but it's like shooting Superman with a missle. Sure he might feel it, but it won't damage him.
[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="6_volts"]That doesn't mean he's invincible.6_voltsActually, it does. In comparison anyway. If someone's ki is much higher than another person's, they can't really hurt them. I don't know how DC judges character's battle power...but it's like shooting Superman with a missle. Sure he might feel it, but it won't damage him.No because I was talking about all animes, not only the DB franchise, so there are a few anime characters that can defeat Goku and most likely they can kill him too Like who?
[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="6_volts"]No because I was talking about all animes, not only the DB franchise, so there are a few anime characters that can defeat Goku and most likely they can kill him too6_voltsLike who?Characters from Saint Seiya, for example, the Virgo Gold Knight can destroy his opponent's senses, and he can also destroy the 6th sense, turning Goku into a being unable to see, hear, move, smell, taste and think, in conclusion Goku is a good character but very overrated and definitely not invincible. In Dragonball, Goku learns to sense an opponent by locking onto their ki, without his body or thoughts.
[QUOTE="6_volts"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Like who?BranKetraCharacters from Saint Seiya, for example, the Virgo Gold Knight can destroy his opponent's senses, and he can also destroy the 6th sense, turning Goku into a being unable to see, hear, move, smell, taste and think, in conclusion Goku is a good character but very overrated and definitely not invincible. In Dragonball, Goku learns to sense an opponent by locking onto their ki, without his body or mind....Then what? Goku knows where his opponent is but he can't do anything about it because his sense of touch was destroyed making him unable to move and he can't think either because his 6th sense is destroyed.
In Dragonball, Goku learns to sense an opponent by locking onto their ki, without his body or mind....Then what? Goku knows where his opponent is but he can't do anything about it because his sense of touch was destroyed making him unable to move and he can't think either because his 6th sense is destroyed. I dunno. There was this bad guy named General Blue who was part of the Red Ribbon Army. He could paralyze an opponent by glaring at them, but it didn't work on Mercenary Tao who was much stronger than him. I wonder how that Knight guy's powers work.[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="6_volts"]Characters from Saint Seiya, for example, the Virgo Gold Knight can destroy his opponent's senses, and he can also destroy the 6th sense, turning Goku into a being unable to see, hear, move, smell, taste and think, in conclusion Goku is a good character but very overrated and definitely not invincible.6_volts
[QUOTE="6_volts"]Then what? Goku knows where his opponent is but he can't do anything about it because his sense of touch was destroyed making him unable to move and he can't think either because his 6th sense is destroyed. I dunno. There was this bad guy named General Blue who was part of the Red Ribbon Army. He could paralyze an opponent by glaring at them, but it didn't work on Mercenary Tao, who was much stronger than him. I wonder how that universe's powers work.Paralyzing someone is different from destroying someone else' senses because if a person is paralyzed there's a possibility that that person can recover, but having your senses destroyed is another thing, btw what universe's power?[QUOTE="BranKetra"] In Dragonball, Goku learns to sense an opponent by locking onto their ki, without his body or mind....BranKetra
[QUOTE="BranKetra"] I dunno. There was this bad guy named General Blue who was part of the Red Ribbon Army. He could paralyze an opponent by glaring at them, but it didn't work on Mercenary Tao, who was much stronger than him. I wonder how that universe's powers work.6_voltsParalyzing someone is different from destroying someone else' senses because if a person is paralyzed there's a possibility that that person can recover, but having your senses destroyed is another thing, btw what universe's power?
I meant the Gold Virgo Knight. You're right. Destroying senses is pretty bad. How does he do it? In Baki the Grappler, this one guy named Shinogi uses a style that attacks the nerves. He cuts the connection to body parts with his fingers, but Baki's has great vitality so afterwards his eyesight and arm recovered. So what, does he...blow them up or something?
Or is he like the Celestials from Marvel? They can control normal earthlings and even Superheroes?
[QUOTE="6_volts"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] I dunno. There was this bad guy named General Blue who was part of the Red Ribbon Army. He could paralyze an opponent by glaring at them, but it didn't work on Mercenary Tao, who was much stronger than him. I wonder how that universe's powers work.BranKetraParalyzing someone is different from destroying someone else' senses because if a person is paralyzed there's a possibility that that person can recover, but having your senses destroyed is another thing, btw what universe's power? I meant the Gold Virgo Knight. You're right. Destroying senses is pretty bad. How does he do it? In Baki the Grappler, this one guy named Shinogi uses a style that attacks the nerves. He cuts the connection to body parts with his fingers, but Baki's has great vitality so afterwards his eyesight and arm recovered. So what, does he...blow them up or something?No, he has this attack -which is his strongest attack- called Tenbu Horin, or The Treasures of Heaven, that attack is both offensive and defensive and once that attack is launched the opponent cannot fight back or escape, and one by one he destroys each of his opponents senses. He destroys them using his Cosmos (or his inner spiritual essence that everybody has).
Superman won't kill Lex Luthor. He doesn't kill people.superman cant kill lex luther, how can he kill goku?
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="6_volts"]Paralyzing someone is different from destroying someone else' senses because if a person is paralyzed there's a possibility that that person can recover, but having your senses destroyed is another thing, btw what universe's power?6_voltsI meant the Gold Virgo Knight. You're right. Destroying senses is pretty bad. How does he do it? In Baki the Grappler, this one guy named Shinogi uses a style that attacks the nerves. He cuts the connection to body parts with his fingers, but Baki's has great vitality so afterwards his eyesight and arm recovered. So what, does he...blow them up or something?No, he has this attack -which is his strongest attack- called Tenbu Horin, or The Treasures of Heaven, that attack is both offensive and defensive and once that attack is launched the opponent cannot fight back or escape, and one by one he destroys each of his opponents senses. Sounds like Koenma's pacifier spell, from Yu Yu Hakusho. It's a defense spell that traps S-class (the most powerful) demons in a barrier forever, but it's not made to fight against Sacred Energy.
He is the Gold Knight of the Virgo Constellation and he is said to be the man closest to God (or in this case Buddha and he's also thought to be Buddha's reincarnation). His powers come from his assigned constellation.6_voltsThis thread is about Superman and Goku... Please get out with all your other anime characters that could "destroy goku" kthxbai.
[QUOTE="6_volts"]He is the Gold Knight of the Virgo Constellation and he is said to be the man closest to God (or in this case Buddha and he's also thought to be Buddha's reincarnation). His powers come from his assigned constellation.Ringx55This thread is about Superman and Goku... Please get out with all your other anime characters that could "destroy goku" kthxbai.Hey, I was just asking.
[QUOTE="6_volts"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] I meant the Gold Virgo Knight. You're right. Destroying senses is pretty bad. How does he do it? In Baki the Grappler, this one guy named Shinogi uses a style that attacks the nerves. He cuts the connection to body parts with his fingers, but Baki's has great vitality so afterwards his eyesight and arm recovered. So what, does he...blow them up or something?BranKetraNo, he has this attack -which is his strongest attack- called Tenbu Horin, or The Treasures of Heaven, that attack is both offensive and defensive and once that attack is launched the opponent cannot fight back or escape, and one by one he destroys each of his opponents senses. Sounds like Koenma's pacifier spell, from Yu Yu Hakusho. It's a defense spell that traps S-class (the most powerful) demons in a barrier forever, but it's not made to fight against Sacred Energy. Yeah I mean that guy is so strong that even the other Gold Knights wouldn't even want to think about fighting him, and regarding your question, he destroys them (the senses) using his Cosmos (or his inner spiritual essence that everybody has).
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