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Survivor man vs Man vs. Wild?
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Both shows are impractical, and both are likely to lead yo you getting killed. No one learns survival training by watching television shows. Hell, if life was as convenient and easy as Grylls and Stroud make it out to be no one would ever die in the wild. Everything you need would be within arms reach.[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]More likely to get you killed as well.clayron
Alrite people, here's what it is. The simplest way to end all argument about Bear Grylls, and Les Stroud.
Formal Training:
Bear Grylls:
3 Years British Special Ops Military SAS
Trained unarmed combat
Trained desert and winter warfare
Trained combat survival, medics
Trained parachuting, signals
Trained evasive diving
Trained climbing, and explosives
Served in N. Africa Twice
YOUNGEST to scale Mt. Ama Dablam
YOUNGEST to scale Mt. Everest
Titled "Everest Mountaineer"
Leads 1st Jetski circumnavigation of UK
Made Ambassador for Princes Trust Charity
Gains a BA Hons Degree Hispanic Studies
Leads 1st team to cross unassisted the frozen North Atlantic Ocean in a raft.
Breaks record: highest dinner party ever
Dinner party on hot air ballon @ 25,000 ft.
Awarded Honorary Commission by Royal Navy
Films 13x 1 hr. shows titled Man Vs. Wild
Breaks new world record, sails powered paraglider above the summit of mt. everest.
(Highpoint: Broke back in 3 places at the end of his tour with the SAS, rehabilitated, and became youngest person ever to scale mt. everest.)
Equipment(knife, canteen, flint)
Formal Training:
Les Stroud:
Graduated College with Masters of Physics
Took 3 week survival course during college
Likes Music, cinematography, and acting
Brings approx. 50 lbs. of supplies per show
Doesn't need cameraman, films on his own
(Highpoint: spent 1 year living off of land with his wife)
Hmmmm... who all said Bear Grylls is a phony? Mind you he did all of that, while writing 3 books, recording 3 seasons of man vs. wild, and starring in a handful of full length movies. He has raised money for charities, and is a proud married father of 2.
I would have to have my better judgement doubt that when you are that well trained a cameraman with his eyes, arms, and movements occupied with recording could make such an impact.
Lastly, it's not that I dislike les stroud, occasionally he makes good points, and has useful information. However, for the most part it seems like les' episodes are TOO convenient. I've watched too many episodes where he found just what he needed in the most unlikely spaces SHORTLY after declaring the necessity. I'm sure that's how you put together a show on survival.... that is if you only went through a three week non-credit course in college, while you were studying to master in physics.(SO important in survival btw)
Oh, and one more thing, for all you **** hillbillies.... when bear grylls does things your mom and pop suggested you don't do, remember one difference... bear grylls is a man, in survival mode, ready to do whatever it takes. There's never time to stop, or be selectie in a life or death situation, and roughing it is sometimes a necessity, and not a choice. I think bear's advice is consistent on NOT PANICKING and staying forwards progressive in a survival situation.Les Stroud..... be a good little filmmaker and hire a crew. Your camera shots need work, and it'll free some time up for you to learn some new survival techniques. Quit being "conveniently placed here for me to use on the show-man" unless you're going to change the title of your show.
Have a nice day!Random_User_on_Discovery_Forum_in_favor_of_Grylls
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For me, it's Les Stroud all the way, and here's why:
1. Les is the better survivalist. He respects the environment around him, and doesn't go around wantonly damming rivers (wasting vast amounts of calories, by the way) or touting glissading (which Bear TOLD THE AUDIENCE COULD BE FATAL) as a survival skill.
2. Les has a greater burden to bear (no pun intended). Say what you want about the camera crew not helping - the simple fact that the camera guys are carrying the cameras is a LOT of help.
3. Les is in real danger. Barring a rock falling on his head, Bear will always have help on hand to whisk him away to safety. Not so for Les. If Les gets bitten by a rattlesnake or falls down a canyon, HE WILL DIE. The fact that he puts his life genuinely on the line, without the safety considerations that Bear has, makes me appreciate him all the more.
4. Les does what he does well. The reason he's never had to drag himself through the wilderness on a broken leg or somesuch is because he's smart enough not to get hurt in the first place. He studies environmentally safe (and even in some cases, aboriginal) methods instead of plowing through the wilderness like a headless chicken with a hot foot.
5. Bear is misleading. Doesn't anyone else see the irony that he stays in hotels on a series billed in his native country as "Born Survivor"? Defend him however you want, the fact that Bear has to fake things to get them done puts him on a totally different level from Les - there is no longer any reasonable comparison between the two. It would be like comparing a TV wrestler to a Roman Gladiator.
6. And if you think that all Les does is sit around and wait for help, I suggest you watch the "Boreal Forest," "Lost at Sea," and "Costa Rica" episodes.Random_User_on_Discovery_in_favor_of_Stroud
But, I think it should be noted that neither of the two are in any REAL danger. No network is going to let there cash cow take any unnecessary risk that would put the show, and their money, in danger.
les stroud was chased by a jaguar in south america and he keeps a gun with him at all times in places with dangerous animals.
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