Taliban says they pose no threat to the Western world...

I think he did too lol, though I can understand w hy he thought i was generalizing

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="7addadster"] Maybe thats why the world hates Americans so much, why ? Because that post makes people like me, from other nations, look at Americans in a completely wrong way , people would see you as an arrogant nation. Although Im sure not all Americans think like you do. mrbojangles25

I think he did too lol, though I can understand w hy he thought i was generalizing

[QUOTE="7addadster"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

well I for one would like to hear what the non-Taliban afghanis have to say. I wonder if they still want to beat their women, live in a fuedal, tribal society, and live without internet *gasp*

mrbojangles25

dude one of the Taliban's jobs was to enforce the barebones, fundamental aspects of their religion without any room for modernity. If your wife did something wrong (often a trivial thing), and you did not beat her for it, the Taliban would do it for you.

My friend got back fro mAfghanistan and he says the non-Taliban men would beat their wives for doing these things because they knew that if they didnt, the Talibian would beat their wives harder and even kill them. So, as odd as it sounds, their husbands didnt want to actually beat them but were doing a favor by doing so.

So, going back to my original post, I really dont think they want to return to the old ways.

I don't think that the Taliban itself poses any immediate threat to the western world (although the Taliban has begun to resemble Al Qaeda ideologically more and more as time has gone on, so that may be changing). But that's not to say that they don't pose a threat to the western world, at least indirectly. I feel as if David Brooks summed it up nicely in a recent Op-Ed in the NY Times, "A Taliban conquest in Afghanistan would endanger the Pakistani regime at best, create a regional crisis for certain and lead to a nuclear-armed Al Qaeda at worst." Of course, the likely hood of a nuclear-armed Al Qaeda shouldn't be exaggerated, but that threat in and of itself does indeed pose a very serious threat to the western world.

If you withdraw and they will grow stronger, they will occupy more land and have more people to recruit. They need to be finished off for good.

If you withdraw and they will grow stronger, they will occupy more land and have more people to recruit. They need to be finished off for good.

loft8000

Pretty much this. We need to destroy them while they're cornered.

Oh, thank God; when they destroyed the World Trade Center unprovoked I came this close to thinking they meant us harm.

Oh, thank God; when they destroyed the World Trade Center unprovoked I came this close to thinking they meant us harm.

Theokhoth

The Taliban had nothing whatsoever to do with the destruction of the World Trade Center, not even in the "official version" of events.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Oh, thank God; when they destroyed the World Trade Center unprovoked I came this close to thinking they meant us harm.

Stesilaus

The Taliban had nothing whatsoever to do with the destruction of the World Trade Center, not even in the "official version" of events.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Oh, thank God; when they destroyed the World Trade Center unprovoked I came this close to thinking they meant us harm.

Stesilaus

The Taliban had nothing whatsoever to do with the destruction of the World Trade Center, not even in the "official version" of events.

Bin Laden had nothing to do with the Taliban? I must have imagined when they protected Al Qaeda operatives from the United Nations until they started bombing their own areas a month after 9/11.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Oh, thank God; when they destroyed the World Trade Center unprovoked I came this close to thinking they meant us harm.

Theokhoth

The Taliban had nothing whatsoever to do with the destruction of the World Trade Center, not even in the "official version" of events.

Bin Laden had nothing to do with the Taliban? I must have imagined when they protected Al Qaeda operatives from the United Nations until they started bombing their own areas a month after 9/11.

Al Qaeda is very much more closely linked to Saudi Arabia than it ever was to the Taliban.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

The Taliban had nothing whatsoever to do with the destruction of the World Trade Center, not even in the "official version" of events.

Stesilaus

Bin Laden had nothing to do with the Taliban? I must have imagined when they protected Al Qaeda operatives from the United Nations until they started bombing their own areas a month after 9/11.

Al Qaeda is very much more closely linked to Saudi Arabia than it ever was to the Taliban.

So? Is Saudi Arabia the subject of the topic?

[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

We don't lose wars.

Pirate700

You might wanna check your history book again.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]They have never said we are fighting a losing battle in terms of forces. The Taliban is a joke.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

The Taliban had nothing whatsoever to do with the destruction of the World Trade Center, not even in the "official version" of events.

Stesilaus

Bin Laden had nothing to do with the Taliban? I must have imagined when they protected Al Qaeda operatives from the United Nations until they started bombing their own areas a month after 9/11.

Al Qaeda is very much more closely linked to Saudi Arabia than it ever was to the Taliban.

Islamic terrorists have been attacking the US and Western world for decades, and we are supposed to believe they are just going to stop?

Riiiiiight.

There have been embassies and ships blown up, two strikes on the WTC (the latest a successful one), kidnappings, tortures, and more all before we occupied those two countries.

Nope. Theyre this close to crying uncle and we just gotta finish the job until the goodpeople they hide behind see them as the pathetic, backwards, and uncivilized people they are.

mrbojangles25

Truer words were never spoken.

Islamic terrorists have been attacking the US and Western world for decades, and we are supposed to believe they are just going to stop?

Riiiiiight.

There have been embassies and ships blown up, two strikes on the WTC (the latest a successful one), kidnappings, tortures, and more all before we occupied those two countries.

Nope. Theyre this close to crying uncle and we just gotta finish the job until the goodpeople they hide behind see them as the pathetic, backwards, and uncivilized people they are.

mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Islamic terrorists have been attacking the US and Western world for decades, and we are supposed to believe they are just going to stop?

Riiiiiight.

There have been embassies and ships blown up, two strikes on the WTC (the latest a successful one), kidnappings, tortures, and more all before we occupied those two countries.

Nope. Theyre this close to crying uncle and we just gotta finish the job until the goodpeople they hide behind see them as the pathetic, backwards, and uncivilized people they are.

hamstergeddon

Erm, he didn't. :|

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Islamic terrorists have been attacking the US and Western world for decades, and we are supposed to believe they are just going to stop?

Riiiiiight.

There have been embassies and ships blown up, two strikes on the WTC (the latest a successful one), kidnappings, tortures, and more all before we occupied those two countries.

Nope. Theyre this close to crying uncle and we just gotta finish the job until the goodpeople they hide behind see them as the pathetic, backwards, and uncivilized people they are.

shadowprince92

Truer words were never spoken.

Sure they don't, really, they want to plant lovely fields full of tulips and promote peace while they go around killing anyone who doesn't agree to their ideals and religion.

Lovely fanatics, really. They even make cookies filled with C4.

The Taliban are far from being a legitimate political force but I don't see why we should lump all Muslim extremist groups together. They have different causes, leaders, beliefs, etc. Al Qaeda wants to end Western hegemony but all Hamas and the Taliban want is for us to stop ****ing with their homelands and get the hell out. I really don't see why that's viewed as a bad cause. hamstergeddon

Islamic terrorists have been attacking the US and Western world for decades, and we are supposed to believe they are just going to stop?

Riiiiiight.

There have been embassies and ships blown up, two strikes on the WTC (the latest a successful one), kidnappings, tortures, and more all before we occupied those two countries.

Nope. Theyre this close to crying uncle and we just gotta finish the job until the goodpeople they hide behind see them as the pathetic, backwards, and uncivilized people they are.

mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]The Taliban are far from being a legitimate political force but I don't see why we should lump all Muslim extremist groups together. They have different causes, leaders, beliefs, etc. Al Qaeda wants to end Western hegemony but all Hamas and the Taliban want is for us to stop ****ing with their homelands and get the hell out. I really don't see why that's viewed as a bad cause. jimmyjammer69

Exactly. Like I said, we didn't fail militarily. Politically we did.

Pirate700

You failed militarily as well. You decided to bomb a supply route (which you never did take out) instead of attacking the source in N.V itself. Most Vet bomber pilots would say the same, if you had chosen your targets better the first time around you would have won that battle. At the end of the day the US forces had to withdraw and the NV got what they wanted.. so how exactly was that not a defeat for the US?

Reduce their strongholds in the mountains to a plain of radioactive glass, then they will pose no threat.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]The Taliban are far from being a legitimate political force but I don't see why we should lump all Muslim extremist groups together. They have different causes, leaders, beliefs, etc. Al Qaeda wants to end Western hegemony but all Hamas and the Taliban want is for us to stop ****ing with their homelands and get the hell out. I really don't see why that's viewed as a bad cause. hamstergeddon

Islamic terrorists have been attacking the US and Western world for decades, and we are supposed to believe they are just going to stop?

Riiiiiight.

There have been embassies and ships blown up, two strikes on the WTC (the latest a successful one), kidnappings, tortures, and more all before we occupied those two countries.

Nope. Theyre this close to crying uncle and we just gotta finish the job until the goodpeople they hide behind see them as the pathetic, backwards, and uncivilized people they are.

mrbojangles25

Because western nations haven't been interfering with middle eastern affairs for those decades as well right? You are painting such a bias picture here. Let me ask a question, after capturing saddam the first time and knowing about his genocides and other crimes, why did the US leave him in power? Why does the US support Israel so much.. a much hated enemy by the majority of the middle east? Why are they not threatened with sanctions and military action when they commit offenses to other countries? Why did the US aid the afghan troops when the russians invaded? If at every turn it seems that the west are doing something to piss off someone else do you not think people would retaliate with whatever means they had? The same way the US didn't like the russians and thus gave the afghans weapons to destroy them with is the same way Al Queda feels about the US.

obama is in the talibanMURS-

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Islamic terrorists have been attacking the US and Western world for decades, and we are supposed to believe they are just going to stop?

Riiiiiight.

There have been embassies and ships blown up, two strikes on the WTC (the latest a successful one), kidnappings, tortures, and more all before we occupied those two countries.

Nope. Theyre this close to crying uncle and we just gotta finish the job until the goodpeople they hide behind see them as the pathetic, backwards, and uncivilized people they are.

Espada12

Because western nations haven't been interfering with middle eastern affairs for those decades as well right? You are painting such a bias picture here. Let me ask a question, after capturing saddam the first time and knowing about his genocides and other crimes, why did the US leave him in power? Why does the US support Israel so much.. a much hated enemy by the majority of the middle east? Why are they not threatened with sanctions and military action when they commit offenses to other countries? Why did the US aid the afghan troops when the russians invaded? If at every turn it seems that the west are doing something to piss off someone else do you not think people would retaliate with whatever means they had? The same way the US didn't like the russians and thus gave the afghans weapons to destroy them with is the same way Al Queda feels about the US.

Since everybody else is clapping along merrily on the"guilt by association" bandwagon, I think I'll hop on too ...

If the Taliban are guilty of destroying the World Trade Center, as Theokhoth claimed, then former President George W. Bush is guilty of setting off car bombs in Saddam-era Iraq and of blowing up a bus full of schoolchildren.

Sound absurd? Those acts were committed in the 1990s by Iyad Allawi's Iraqi National Accord terrorist organization.

And here's Bush, the terrorist sympathizer, standing next to the murderer in the ******* Rose Garden.

[QUOTE="shadowprince92"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Islamic terrorists have been attacking the US and Western world for decades, and we are supposed to believe they are just going to stop?

Riiiiiight.

There have been embassies and ships blown up, two strikes on the WTC (the latest a successful one), kidnappings, tortures, and more all before we occupied those two countries.

Nope. Theyre this close to crying uncle and we just gotta finish the job until the goodpeople they hide behind see them as the pathetic, backwards, and uncivilized people they are.

7addadster

Truer words were never spoken.

because they hide behind the religion of islam in order to have a "cause", to lure potential candidates that have nothing but religion left in their lives, and to seem self-rightous.

Also, if we called them by their respective countries of origin it would get to confusing, not to mention a lot of the terrorists become inhabitants of numerous different countries. There is a reason they are called insurgants, as well, and it is because they come from a variety of different countries; Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc

Bastardizing Islam to the point where it is weaponized is the one tie they all have in common, which is why I call them Islamic Terrorists. Did you know a Jihad is actually a coup d'etat against a poor, Islamic dictator? And now they have taken that word to mean a holy war against non-muslims.

If they were Jews, I'd call them Jewish Terrorists. If there were a collective ofChristians from California, Oregon, and Washington, I'd call them Christian terrorists. Please, I beg of you, stop nitpicking over these minor things, especially when its a perfectly appropriate classification.

To clarify, I call Islamic Terrorists Islamic Terrorists because that is the one thing they all share, and I do not generalize against Muslims. They dont fight for a country, they fight for a faith.

@mrbojangles25. Insurgency is a term which has arisen and disappeared from our political vocabulary over the decades. It is exactly because it has the effect of sounding like in-surging that it's often dismissed as a loaded word. In actual fact, it simply means a group rebelling against an authority or dominant power - recognised or, in the insurgents' eyes, illegitimate.jimmyjammer69

ahhhhh OK, got it. Thanks! :)