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CHARSADDA, Pakistan (Reuters) - Suicide bombers attacked a Pakistani paramilitary academy Friday killing 80 people in revenge for the death of Osama bin Laden as Pakistani anger over the U.S. raid to get the al Qaeda leader showed no sign of cooling.

U.S. special forces flew in from Afghanistan to find and kill bin Laden at his hideout in a northern Pakistani town on May 2.

Pakistan welcomed the killing of bin Laden as a major step against militancy but was outraged by the secret U.S. raid that got him, saying it was a violation of its sovereignty.

On the other hand, the discovery of bin Laden living in the town of Abbottabad, near the country's top military academy, has deepened suspicion in the United States that Pakistani security forces knew where he was hiding.

Bin Laden's followers have vowed revenge for his death and the Pakistani Taliban said the Friday attack by two suicide bombers on a paramilitary academy in the northwestern town of Charsadda was their first taste of vengeance.

"There will be more," militant spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan said by telephone from an undisclosed location.

The attackers struck as the recruits were going on leave and 65 of them were among the 80 dead. Pools of blood mixed with soldiers caps and shoes lay on the road outside the academy as the wounded, looking dazed with parts of their clothes ripped away by shrapnel, were loaded into trucks.

PAKISTAN TALIBAN TURN AGAINST STATE

The bomb attack was a grim reminder of the militant threat Pakistan faces even as bin Laden's discovery 50 km (30 miles) from the capital has revived suspicion of Pakistani double-dealing.

The Pakistan Taliban, close allies of al Qaeda, are fighting to bring down the nuclear-armed state and impose their vision of Islamist rule. They launched their war in earnest in 2007, after security forces cleared militant gunmen from a radical mosque in the capital, killing about 100 people.

Pakistan has long used militants as proxies to oppose the influence of its old rival India, and is widely believed to be helping some factions even while battling others.

It has rejected as absurd suggestions its security agencies might have known where bin Laden was hiding.

The United States has long been pressing Pakistan to tackle Afghan Taliban factions taking shelter in Pakistani enclaves on the Afghan border.

But the chances of greater security cooperation between the United States and Pakistan appear to have been dented by the U.S. raid to get bin Laden.

The chairman Pakistan's joint chiefs of staff committee, General Khalid Shameem Wynne, has canceled a five-day visit to the United States beginning on May 22.

"He called his U.S. counterpart ... and informed him that the visit could not be undertaken under existing circumstances," a military official told Reuters.

He did not elaborate but the decision to cancel the visit came as the cabinet defense committee said it was reviewing cooperation with the United States on counter-terrorism.

The parameters of such cooperation would be clearly defined "in accordance with Pakistan's national interests and the aspirations of the people," the committee said in a statement.

The military and government have also come in for criticism at home, partly for failing to find bin Laden but more for failing to detect or stop the unauthorized U.S. raid to kill him.

Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani will be at a closed-door briefing by military officials to parliament later Friday.

NO U.S. SCALE BACK

The United States has made clear it will go after militants in Pakistan when it finds them and it has stepped up attacks in the northwest with its drone aircraft -- another source of friction between the uneasy allies -- since bin Laden's death.

Pakistan officially objects to the attacks, although U.S. officials say they are carried out on an understanding with Pakistan.

"There are absolutely no plans at present to cease or scale back U.S. counterterrorism operations in Pakistan," one U.S. official said on condition of anonymity. "Efforts to thwart terrorism will continue.

Some U.S. lawmakers have called for suspending aid to Pakistan because of doubts about its commitment in going after violent Islamists.

But President Barack Obama's administration has stressed the importance of maintaining cooperation with Pakistan in the interests of battling militancy and bringing stability to neighboring Afghanistan.

Debate over whether Bush administration interrogation practices helped find bin Laden heated up when Senator John McCain said torture of detained militants did not help track down the al Qaeda leader.

McCain said CIA Director Leon Panetta had told him the trail to bin Laden did not -- as some aides to former President George W. Bush have asserted -- begin with information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-professed mastermind of the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States who the U.S. government acknowledges was "waterboarded" 183 times.

McCain said he wanted to clear up "misinformation" that could make Americans think harsh treatment of prisoners was acceptable. Waterboarding, a former of simulated drowning, is deemed torture by human rights groups and others.

"In short, it was not torture or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find Osama bin Laden," McCain said in the Senate.

Multiple U.S. intelligence officials told Reuters the real breakthrough that led to bin Laden came from a mysterious CIA detainee named Hassan Ghul. Ghul, who was not captured until 2004 at the earliest, was not subjected to waterboarding.

It was Ghul, the officials said, who after years of hints from other detainees provided the information that prompted the CIA to focus intensely on finding Abu Ahmed al Kuwaiti, a pseudonym for the courier who would lead them to bin Laden.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/osama-bin-laden/a/-/article/9430713/bombers-take-bin-laden-revenge-in-pakistan-u-s-ties-cool/

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Time to revoke foreign aid to Pakistan.
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TTP are indian funded fake Taliban. F*** them and f*** Pakistan government for their s*** decision to help U.S. in their stupid war and give a reason to these fake b***** to attack Pakistan.

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why are they attacking fellow citizens? they had nothing to do with his death... there logic makes no sense
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why are they attacking fellow citizens? they had nothing to do with his death... there logic makes no sense weezyfb
Although I understand the difference........ kinda reminds me of the stories where citizens of a city go on a rampage and destroy their own neighborhoods after THEIR TEAM wins some championship. People are nuts, I guess.
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I thought the attacks were for allah(or to pursue a beter life), Now they are for Bin Laden. These are some messed up people. in my eyes they are weak

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TTP are indian funded fake Taliban. F*** them and f*** Pakistan government for their s*** decision to help U.S. in their stupid war and give a reason to these fake b***** to attack Pakistan.

Harisemo
I'm sensing a bit of animosity towards the United Sates and India? Very subtle btw...
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I thought the attacks were for allah(or to pursue a beter life), Now they are for Bin Laden. These are some messed up people. in my eyes they are weak

POPEYE1716

no these attacks are not for Allah and bin laden is an excuse. These same people attack mosques. what kind of muslim wouldblow a mosque? why don't these people attack westernised stuff like night clubs in pakistan? why are mosques and pakistans security forces always the target? these moronsare being used by foreign agencies to weaken Pakistan from within.

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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

TTP are indian funded fake Taliban. F*** them and f*** Pakistan government for their s*** decision to help U.S. in their stupid war and give a reason to these fake b***** to attack Pakistan.

-GeordiLaForge-

I'm sensing a bit of animosity towards the United Sates and India? Very subtle btw...

yeah....so what?

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I thought that the Taliban and Al Qaeda were not fond of each other

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ehh, more innocent people have died in the 'war on terror' than at the hands of Osama, so in all honesty if there is another major attack on US soil they'll get no sympathy from me. I guess a million deaths and trillions of dollars was worth it to find and kill one man huh?

you people need to re-evaluate your government and the BS they feed you about terrorism

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ehh, more innocent people have died in the 'war on terror' than at the hands of Osama, so in all honesty if there is another major attack on US soil they'll get no sympathy from me. I guess a million deaths and trillions of dollars was worth it to find and kill one man huh?

you people need to re-evaluate your government and the BS they feed you about terrorism

Zorgax
Bin Laden orchestrated an attack on US soil....he was rightfully sought. This is about an action...not a philosophy.
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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]why are they attacking fellow citizens? they had nothing to do with his death... there logic makes no sense YellowOneKinobi
Although I understand the difference........ kinda reminds me of the stories where citizens of a city go on a rampage and destroy their own neighborhoods after THEIR TEAM wins some championship. People are nuts, I guess.

Still confusing, I get your point though. Why do people go crazy like that.
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why are they attacking fellow citizens? they had nothing to do with his death... there logic makes no sense weezyfb
Umm i think this is the first time you heard about this; but they always do that. Someone dies or not, they kill and annihilate. They'v always been doing that. And i get the irony in your post too :p ''fellow citizens'' come on! You're trying to say they're all one and the same.
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[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

ehh, more innocent people have died in the 'war on terror' than at the hands of Osama, so in all honesty if there is another major attack on US soil they'll get no sympathy from me. I guess a million deaths and trillions of dollars was worth it to find and kill one man huh?

you people need to re-evaluate your government and the BS they feed you about terrorism

LJS9502_basic
Bin Laden orchestrated an attack on US soil....he was rightfully sought. This is about an action...not a philosophy.

And the west has been messing with the region since decades ago so if we reason this by who went first then OBL had the "right" to strike.
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]

TTP are indian funded fake Taliban. F*** them and f*** Pakistan government for their s*** decision to help U.S. in their stupid war and give a reason to these fake b***** to attack Pakistan.

I'm sensing a bit of animosity towards the United Sates and India? Very subtle btw...

yeah....so what?

Your "rhetoric questions"-detector must be falsely adjusted.
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More senseless killings. Why can't people find ways to solve problems without killing each other?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Zorgax"]

ehh, more innocent people have died in the 'war on terror' than at the hands of Osama, so in all honesty if there is another major attack on US soil they'll get no sympathy from me. I guess a million deaths and trillions of dollars was worth it to find and kill one man huh?

you people need to re-evaluate your government and the BS they feed you about terrorism

kuraimen
Bin Laden orchestrated an attack on US soil....he was rightfully sought. This is about an action...not a philosophy.

And the west has been messing with the region since decades ago so if we reason this by who went first then OBL had the "right" to strike.

Right....targeting civilians is the brave thing....
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Time to revoke foreign aid to Pakistan.LJS9502_basic
I'd agree with this. They can't even control their provinces that border Afghanistan yet they spend absurd amounts of money trying to fight this phony cold war with India. They're quickly becoming a failed state.

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why are they attacking fellow citizens? they had nothing to do with his death... there logic makes no sense weezyfb

Because they know people will tell the US "You should've not killed Osama nor gone to other countries."

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ehh, more innocent people have died in the 'war on terror' than at the hands of Osama, so in all honesty if there is another major attack on US soil they'll get no sympathy from me. I guess a million deaths and trillions of dollars was worth it to find and kill one man huh?

you people need to re-evaluate your government and the BS they feed you about terrorism

Zorgax
and the vast majority of the people that have died in the "War on Terror" have been at the hands of people like this, not the US government. The enormous body count can almost solely be attributed to sectarian violence and suicide bombings.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Bin Laden orchestrated an attack on US soil....he was rightfully sought. This is about an action...not a philosophy. LJS9502_basic
And the west has been messing with the region since decades ago so if we reason this by who went first then OBL had the "right" to strike.

Right....targeting civilians is the brave thing....

Well the US actions has probably killed more civilians than them so you can't blame one side without blaming the other and I'm sure that if they had fighter jets and guided missiles they would choose military targets too but their weapons are usually homemade bombs strapped to their bodies.
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[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

ehh, more innocent people have died in the 'war on terror' than at the hands of Osama, so in all honesty if there is another major attack on US soil they'll get no sympathy from me. I guess a million deaths and trillions of dollars was worth it to find and kill one man huh?

you people need to re-evaluate your government and the BS they feed you about terrorism

HoolaHoopMan
and the vast majority of the people that have died in the "War on Terror" have been at the hands of people like this, not the US government. The enormous body count can almost solely be attributed to sectarian violence and suicide bombings.

How do you know that?
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That was quick...

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] And the west has been messing with the region since decades ago so if we reason this by who went first then OBL had the "right" to strike.kuraimen
Right....targeting civilians is the brave thing....

Well the US actions has probably killed more civilians than them so you can't blame one side without blaming the other and I'm sure that if they had fighter jets and guided missiles they would choose military targets too but their weapons are usually homemade bombs strapped to their bodies.

Probably? Doesn't sound conclusive to me. However...we do know Bin Laden caused the death of civilians...both in the US and the ME.

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Zorgax"]

ehh, more innocent people have died in the 'war on terror' than at the hands of Osama, so in all honesty if there is another major attack on US soil they'll get no sympathy from me. I guess a million deaths and trillions of dollars was worth it to find and kill one man huh?

you people need to re-evaluate your government and the BS they feed you about terrorism

kuraimen

and the vast majority of the people that have died in the "War on Terror" have been at the hands of people like this, not the US government. The enormous body count can almost solely be attributed to sectarian violence and suicide bombings.

How do you know that?

The largest body count produced by the US was in the initial invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and that was over 8 years ago. Since then it's been nothing but sectarian killings and suicide bombers. Besides a few operations the US hasn't launched any major offensives or signed off on any air campaigns. Has the US killed civilians? Yes, but no deliberately. It's the different factions in Iraq and Afghanistan that are producing this huge body count, not the US.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Right....targeting civilians is the brave thing....LJS9502_basic

Well the US actions has probably killed more civilians than them so you can't blame one side without blaming the other and I'm sure that if they had fighter jets and guided missiles they would choose military targets too but their weapons are usually homemade bombs strapped to their bodies.

Probably? Doesn't sound conclusive to me. However...we do know Bin Laden caused the death of civilians...both in the US and the ME.

And we do know that the US has caused the death of civilians too as well as we know how they have interfered with governments in the ME and supported oppressive dictators.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] and the vast majority of the people that have died in the "War on Terror" have been at the hands of people like this, not the US government. The enormous body count can almost solely be attributed to sectarian violence and suicide bombings. HoolaHoopMan

How do you know that?

The largest body count produced by the US was in the initial invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and that was over 8 years ago. Since then it's been nothing but sectarian killings and suicide bombers. Besides a few operations the US hasn't launched any major offensives or signed off on any air campaigns. Has the US killed civilians? Yes, but no deliberately. It's the different factions in Iraq and Afghanistan that are producing this huge body count, not the US.

Again, how do you know? the US conveniently doesn't count civilian casualties when they strike as if civilians were just details that don't really matter. Or maybe they are ashamed of the actual number.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well the US actions has probably killed more civilians than them so you can't blame one side without blaming the other and I'm sure that if they had fighter jets and guided missiles they would choose military targets too but their weapons are usually homemade bombs strapped to their bodies.kuraimen

Probably? Doesn't sound conclusive to me. However...we do know Bin Laden caused the death of civilians...both in the US and the ME.

And we do know that the US has caused the death of civilians too as well as we know how they have interfered with governments in the ME and supported oppressive dictators.

Caused? Nah...that was mostly due to the insurgents.

The US strives to not take civilian lives. It does happen...but it's not an objective whereas with Bin Laden...it wasn't a problem for him or his followers.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

The largest body count produced by the US was in the initial invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and that was over 8 years ago. Since then it's been nothing but sectarian killings and suicide bombers. Besides a few operations the US hasn't launched any major offensives or signed off on any air campaigns. Has the US killed civilians? Yes, but no deliberately. It's the different factions in Iraq and Afghanistan that are producing this huge body count, not the US.

gaming25

Again, how do you know? the US conveniently doesn't count civilian casualties when they strike as if civilians were just details that don't really matter. Or maybe they are ashamed of the actual number.

If you think that number is anywhere near the amount of people died to suicide bombers then you are sadly mistaken.

I believe I'm not, I think the US actions have caused near the amount of deaths caused by the bombers. Again if you have any proof for that be my guest.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Probably? Doesn't sound conclusive to me. However...we do know Bin Laden caused the death of civilians...both in the US and the ME.

LJS9502_basic

And we do know that the US has caused the death of civilians too as well as we know how they have interfered with governments in the ME and supported oppressive dictators.

Caused? Nah...that was mostly due to the insurgents.

The US strives to not take civilian lives. It does happen...but it's not an objective whereas with Bin Laden...it wasn't a problem for him or his followers.

What so if you cause the death of civilians you don't really cause the death of civilians? Right that's quite a spin if I've seen any. There have been cases of US soldiers deliberately targetting civilians and being shield by the top commands so that tells me that that practice could be even more common than we know. That plus the strikes that kill civilians all the time I think the number is pretty much similar.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] And we do know that the US has caused the death of civilians too as well as we know how they have interfered with governments in the ME and supported oppressive dictators.kuraimen

Caused? Nah...that was mostly due to the insurgents.

The US strives to not take civilian lives. It does happen...but it's not an objective whereas with Bin Laden...it wasn't a problem for him or his followers.

What so if you cause the death of civilians you don't really cause the death of civilians? Right that's quite a spin if I've seen any. There have been cases of US soldiers deliberately targetting civilians and being shield by the top commands so that tells me that that practice could be even more common than we know. That plus the strikes that kill civilians all the time I think the number is pretty much similar.

The US hasn't caused a vast majority of the deaths. Yes....things happen in war...but overall the deaths are at the hands of insurgents/terrorists.
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I'm sensing a bit of animosity towards the United Sates and India? Very subtle btw...mt0s

yeah....so what?

Your "rhetoric questions"-detector must be falsely adjusted.

it's using an outdated firmware

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Caused? Nah...that was mostly due to the insurgents.

The US strives to not take civilian lives. It does happen...but it's not an objective whereas with Bin Laden...it wasn't a problem for him or his followers.

LJS9502_basic

What so if you cause the death of civilians you don't really cause the death of civilians? Right that's quite a spin if I've seen any. There have been cases of US soldiers deliberately targetting civilians and being shield by the top commands so that tells me that that practice could be even more common than we know. That plus the strikes that kill civilians all the time I think the number is pretty much similar.

The US hasn't caused a vast majority of the deaths. Yes....things happen in war...but overall the deaths are at the hands of insurgents/terrorists.

I think not, I think the US is directly responsible probably for similar amount of deaths.

Of course they did start those two wars so they are indirectly responsible for all those deaths.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] What so if you cause the death of civilians you don't really cause the death of civilians? Right that's quite a spin if I've seen any. There have been cases of US soldiers deliberately targetting civilians and being shield by the top commands so that tells me that that practice could be even more common than we know. That plus the strikes that kill civilians all the time I think the number is pretty much similar.kuraimen

The US hasn't caused a vast majority of the deaths. Yes....things happen in war...but overall the deaths are at the hands of insurgents/terrorists.

I think not, I think the US is directly responsible probably for similar amount of deaths.

Of course they did start those two wars so they are indirectly responsible for all those deaths.

Considering this occurred because of Bid Laden and 9/11 ..I don't see the logic in that. All the deaths are either directly or indirectly attributed to Bin Laden in this case.
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#38 gaming25
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Again, how do you know? the US conveniently doesn't count civilian casualties when they strike as if civilians were just details that don't really matter. Or maybe they are ashamed of the actual number.kuraimen

If you think that number is anywhere near the amount of people died to suicide bombers then you are sadly mistaken.

I believe I'm not, I think the US actions have caused near the amount of deaths caused by the bombers. Again if you have any proof for that be my guest.

US "actions"? I thought we were specifically talking about who killed who, not the cause and effects of wars whether just or unjust. And no, they are not the same thing if thats what you are thinking.

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I hate the idea that THEY want revenge on US when it was THEIR leader that brought terrorism to OUR shores by killing THOUSANDS of our citizens! It sucks that the only way to attain peace is to eliminate every last person of the enemy....
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#40 Mystic-G
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More senseless killings. Why can't people find ways to solve problems without killing each other?

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This is what's so sad about the world. It takes even more bloodshed to stop bloodshed. People seem to think if we ignore it (pull our troops out) that the issue will magically go away. Thomas Jefferson said it best, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Don't get me wrong though, I'm not endorsing killing or death. But the fact remains, death is a must to maintain the status quo as war is in human nature.
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#41 gaming25
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I hate the idea that THEY want revenge on US when it was THEIR leader that brought terrorism to OUR shores by killing THOUSANDS of our citizens! It sucks that the only way to attain peace is to eliminate every last person of the enemy.... JustPlainLucas

To add on it must be done by means other than killing.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] What so if you cause the death of civilians you don't really cause the death of civilians? Right that's quite a spin if I've seen any. There have been cases of US soldiers deliberately targetting civilians and being shield by the top commands so that tells me that that practice could be even more common than we know. That plus the strikes that kill civilians all the time I think the number is pretty much similar.kuraimen

The US hasn't caused a vast majority of the deaths. Yes....things happen in war...but overall the deaths are at the hands of insurgents/terrorists.

I think not, I think the US is directly responsible probably for similar amount of deaths.

Of course they did start those two wars so they are indirectly responsible for all those deaths.

It's hard not to kill civilians when you don't know the difference between the enemy and civilians due to lack of uniform.

And I would highly doubt that the number of civilians killed by U.S. action is anywhere near the amount killed by insurgents.

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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

More senseless killings. Why can't people find ways to solve problems without killing each other?

This is what's so sad about the world. It takes even more bloodshed to stop bloodshed. People seem to think if we ignore it (pull our troops out) that the issue will magically go away. Thomas Jefferson said it best, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Don't get me wrong though, I'm not endorsing killing or death. But the fact remains, death is a must to maintain the status quo as war is in human nature.

I think we should just get the Taliban and US into one big game of WOW - horder vs. alliance. That way all the deaths are virtual. Guess it would be tough to pick who is horde and who is alliance.
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#44 Mystic-G
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The US hasn't caused a vast majority of the deaths. Yes....things happen in war...but overall the deaths are at the hands of insurgents/terrorists.SepticSangreal

I think not, I think the US is directly responsible probably for similar amount of deaths.

Of course they did start those two wars so they are indirectly responsible for all those deaths.

It's hard not to kill civilians when you don't know the difference between the enemy and civilians due to lack of uniform.

And I would highly doubt that the number of civilians killed by U.S. action is anywhere near the amount killed by insurgents.

I think people don't understand that even though civilian casualties aren't anything to be proud of, it's hard to avoid when the enemy purposely blends in with them. People don't understand what it's like to be in those high stress situations so they're quick to criticize without solution. Because we all know there is no solution to civilian casualties.
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

More senseless killings. Why can't people find ways to solve problems without killing each other?

sonicare

This is what's so sad about the world. It takes even more bloodshed to stop bloodshed. People seem to think if we ignore it (pull our troops out) that the issue will magically go away. Thomas Jefferson said it best, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Don't get me wrong though, I'm not endorsing killing or death. But the fact remains, death is a must to maintain the status quo as war is in human nature.

I think we should just get the Taliban and US into one big game of WOW - horder vs. alliance. That way all the deaths are virtual. Guess it would be tough to pick who is horde and who is alliance.

USA would be alliance of course :P

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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

More senseless killings. Why can't people find ways to solve problems without killing each other?

This is what's so sad about the world. It takes even more bloodshed to stop bloodshed. People seem to think if we ignore it (pull our troops out) that the issue will magically go away. Thomas Jefferson said it best, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Don't get me wrong though, I'm not endorsing killing or death. But the fact remains, death is a must to maintain the status quo as war is in human nature.

I think we should just get the Taliban and US into one big game of WOW - horder vs. alliance. That way all the deaths are virtual. Guess it would be tough to pick who is horde and who is alliance.

Actually a few rounds of Project Reality or Arma 2 should be suitable. Project Reality is entertaining because civilians are a kit you can choose and if you are killed by a U.S. soldier while not helping out the insurgency, they lose points.
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People Don't actually believe this was in retaliation to the killing of Bin Laden do they? Every terrorist attack they commit now and in the distant future they will claim to have done so in retalliation. Just a way for them to gain more publicity. The vast Majority of terrorist attacks are against other Muslims and occur in nations like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq for political reasons, this attack was no different.

Also, The killing of Bin Laden hasn't made us any more of a target then we where prior, if they had the ability to attack us then they would have regardless. Nothing has changed.

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damn you Obama...everyone knows that the Taliban was a peacefull bunch of guys who loved reading children's books at orphanages before you went and killed Osama......damn you to hell....
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why are they attacking fellow citizens? they had nothing to do with his death... there logic makes no sense weezyfb

If the citizens support the government.. Which the US supports.. They are by extension to them the enemy.

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#50 spacesheikh
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damn you Obama...everyone knows that the Taliban was a peacefull bunch of guys who loved reading children's books at orphanages before you went and killed Osama......damn you to hell....Omni-Slash

hahaha :lol: