Teens moved from online violence to real-life murder

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#1 TheShadowLord07
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This past March in British Columbia, two teenage boys — 16 and 18 — raped and killed 18-year-old Kimberly Proctor before mutilating and burning her body under a bridge. When it was over, the 16-year-old told a friend on World of Warcraft what they'd done.

The reason the teen picked WoW was because it was apparently something he could not say over MSN chat. The teen confessed to the murder and even send newspaper links covering the crime. Not showing any remorse, he added that committing the brutal murder did not feel like he thought it would.

The attack was pre-planned through online chats and text messaging, with both teens devising code words and brainstorming on how they'd carry out the murder. Proctor was picked because she was, according to one of the teens, "an easy target". The Vancouver Sun has a detailed timeline of the events that transpired.

Pundits are looking for explanations, and video games are an easy way to explain the horrific crime. "You don't know which aggressive kid is going to take the fantasies of video games and try them out in reality," Bonnie Leadbeater, a psychology professor at the University of Victoria, tells CTV News. "You just can't predict those very rare occurrences."

The Ottawa Citizen's reporting opens with this sentence, "One of the teens who raped and killed 18-year-old Kimberly Proctor was a self-described 'nihilistic atheist' whose father was a convicted criminal, while the other was an avid gamer who lived with his parents." Imagine that, a teenager who was an avid gamer and who lived with his parents? That sounds incredibly normal.

What these teenagers did, however, wasn't. There are deeper, more troubling issues here at work than playing video games. One of the teens said he had dreamed of killing someone since he was young.Proctor Case

The two teenage boys are in a B.C. courtroom, where they are on trial for the crime. If they are sentenced as adults, they could get life. If they are sentenced as minors, they would get ten years in prison.

Proctor Case[CTV News][PIC]

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#2 zmbi_gmr
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This story made me :(

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#3 mindstorm
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"That sounds incredibly normal." Yes, because dreaming "of killing someone since he was young" is incredibly normal? No, not really. Many things are wrong with this. First off, they are stupid for talking about this in WoW because, to my knowledge, absolutely every word spoken is saved and nothing is private. Second, she has my last name and that freaks me out. Third, I'm not sure, I just wanted more than two points.
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#4 Deihjan
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This world is truly, truly effed up.
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#5 Daavpuke
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I caught on to this because of recent events. Reading the article alone literally made me nauseous... Unhinged seems to be a reoccurring word these days. My sympathies to her family and friends.
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#6 kittensRjerks
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That's sickening:(

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#7 raiden509
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"That sounds incredibly normal." Yes, because dreaming "of killing someone since he was young" is incredibly normal? .mindstorm
you misunderstood him he was saying it's incredibly normal that it was just another kids who plays video games and lives with his parents like 90 percent of this forum

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What else can be said...
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#9 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="raiden509"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]"That sounds incredibly normal." Yes, because dreaming "of killing someone since he was young" is incredibly normal? No, not really. Many things are wrong with this. First off, they are stupid for talking about this in WoW because, to my knowledge, absolutely every word spoken is saved and nothing is private. Second, she has my last name and that freaks me out. Third, I'm not sure, I just wanted more than two points.

Chat logs in wow are saved , also you misunderstood him he was saying it's incredibly normal that it was just another kids who plays video games and lives with his parents like 90 percent of this forum

Indeed that part is normal. However, one could try to make that statement of any murderer. "He liked long walks on the beach, playing chess with the old men at the pub, and loved his mother. Extremely normal. He also liked to pillage small towns in his spare time as he shouted praises to Thor." It's like saying, "He's exactly the same as me except where we differ."
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#10 XilePrincess
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oh ****ing christ, that's a 4 hour drive and a ferry ride from where I live. how did I not hear about this? that's disgusting.

Also, this thread makes me a bit wary of talking on WoW ever. I will regularly discuss things that should not be seen by prying GM eyes with my boyfriend when we play :/

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Faith in humanity is ticking downwards ever increasingly.

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#12 Ghost_702
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Video games are such an easy target. Don't blame the gun, blame the person whose finger is on the trigger. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the 18 year old get tried as an adult since he's an adult?
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#13 Overlord93
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"fantasies of video games and try them out in reality"

I dont remember the game where you plan out, rape the girl then burn and mutilate her body.

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#14 TheHighWind
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He also liked to pillage small towns in his spare time as he shouted praises to Thor.mindstorm

Sounds like my kinda guy. Was the murder Asatru? Or are you making an example of us? kristne?

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#16 osiris667
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I support capital punishment, they're old enough to get the death penalty.

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#17 Empirefrtw
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They damn well better at least get life doing that and not really feeling anything shows they are fing messed up and shouldn't be let out back into society poor girl and they just picked her because she was a easy target.

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#18 pengo93
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"fantasies of video games and try them out in reality"

I dont remember the game where you plan out, rape the girl then burn and mutilate her body.

Overlord93

Don't you listen to "psychological experts" and family first frontrunners? It's in nearly every game these days.

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"fantasies of video games and try them out in reality"

I dont remember the game where you plan out, rape the girl then burn and mutilate her body.

Overlord93

You can't rape people in WoW.

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I support capital punishment, they're old enough to get the death penalty.

osiris667

if prisons were stricter i'd say make him stare at the same four walls for 80 years until he dies feeding him small rations of food everyday, but sadly prisons that keep inmates for long periods of time have quite a lot to do in them.

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#21 pengo93
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[QUOTE="osiris667"]

I support capital punishment, they're old enough to get the death penalty.

PcGamingRig

if prisons were stricter i'd say make him stare at the same four walls for 80 years until he dies feeding him small rations of food everyday, but sadly prisons that keep inmates for long periods of time have quite a lot to do in them.

I imagine they'd be playing "hold onto the bar of soap" as much as possible.

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fruitcake.

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#23 Alex3796
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*shakes head in disappointment*
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#24 v13_KiiLtz
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Lulz. TC's level is "Violence Fight". Obligatory "Thats sick and disgusting, whats wrong with people these days"
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#25 Led_poison
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My friends tell me crazy things on WoW, all the time. Usually just dismiss them
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Good thing Jack Thompson was disbarred.
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Awful, just awful.

Anyone else recall that Canadian air force colonel who was recently sentenced for dozens of break-ins, two rapes, and two murders? I thought Canadians weren't into the whole murder thing.

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#28 Miroku32
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One of the most sickening murder stories I have read on news.
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#29 berserker2389
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*waits for people to blame video games* stupid kids
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#30 Kenny789
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I said it once, I'll say it again. Nothing surprises me anymore *sigh*
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#31 BiancaDK
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So what?
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#32 pengo93
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So what?BiancaDK

Other than the fact he raped, murdered and burnt a woman, and was then stupid enough to brag about it in a monitored conversation?

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#33 XileLord
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I live in B.C and this is disgusting. With the amount of pigs I've seen around it's not hard to believe though. Hopefully the killers don't just get a slap on the wrist with a 5 year sentence because they are under 19. (Even if it was 10 years they could probably get out early) sometimes I think the Canadian justice system is way to light.

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So what?BiancaDK
Are you serious?? "so what"? Are people really that cold hearted these days. I suppose some people only look out for themselves these days.
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#35 deactivated-59d151f079814
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I live in B.C and this is disgusting. With the amount of pigs I've seen around it's not hard to believe though. Hopefully the killers don't just get a slap on the wrist with a 5 year sentence because they are under 19. (Even if it was 10 years they could probably get out early) sometimes I think the Canadian justice system is way to light.

XileLord

They are most likely both going to be tried as adults..

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#36 kidsmelly
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Good they got caught. Just despicable.

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#37 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]So what?Hockey_Slayer
Are you serious?? "so what"? Are people really that cold hearted these days. I suppose some people only look out for themselves these days.

She wasn't a puppy, so most of ot and the internet probably doesn't care.

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#38 Brozekial
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[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

"fantasies of video games and try them out in reality"

I dont remember the game where you plan out, rape the girl then burn and mutilate her body.

CJL13

You can't rape people in WoW.

It must be in the next expansion.
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#39 Overlord93
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[QUOTE="Hockey_Slayer"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"]So what?topgunmv

Are you serious?? "so what"? Are people really that cold hearted these days. I suppose some people only look out for themselves these days.

She wasn't a puppy, so most of ot and the internet probably doesn't care.

Don't worry, a little old lady found those puppies alive later and pulled them out of the water. -_-
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#40 Buttons1990
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Great... Since WoW is involved all the news agencies have their new big story... "VIDEO GAMES CAUSE TEENS TO RAPE, MUTILATE, AND BURN EACH OTHER!"

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Imagine that, a teenager who was an avid gamer and who lived with his parents? That sounds incredibly normal.

It isn't uncommon for an 18 year old to live with his parents. The fact that he was a gamer probablyhad nothing to do with it.

You don't know which aggressive kid is going to take the fantasies of video games and try them out in reality," Bonnie Leadbeater, a psychology professor at the University of Victoria, tells CTV News.

i know gamers don't like to hear about games influencing people negatively, but there ARE a few weak-minded morons out there who are easily influenced and do stupid things because of something they did in a videogame.

So what?BiancaDK

I expected better from you bianca. *walks away in dissapointment.*

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#42 hoola
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Not being able to tell fantasy from reality? This sounds oddly familiar...

And they will only get 10 years if sentenced as minors..that better not happen. Seriously, this wasn't just someone acting out of anger in a spur of the moment situation, they knew exactly what they were doing. These are very dangerous people and they are more than old enough to be sentenced as adults.

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as horrible as this is...I can't help but feel disgusted by the "From your Wal-Mart Family, Rest in Peace" sign right there in the middle of the poster.

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#44 Meat_Wad_Fan
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wow :| Hope he burns in hell for eternity:twisted:

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#45 Broeddeeg
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wtf...
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also, the bias..."nihilistic atheist", "avid gamer", and "game that blurs the line between reality and fantasy"...is simply disgusting. Reporters should feel guilty about this.

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#47 Wii4Fun
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wow :| Hope he burns in hell for eternity:twisted:

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What's up with your profile pic and signature man? Are you trying to disturb people? >_>

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#48 N7v1K0
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That's absolutely sick :(

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#49 Ace6301
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Wow that's pretty close to here, like an hour and a bit of a drive. It's sad that people like those two exist, killing someone just for the sake of having killed someone is inexcusable. Sad thing here is "life" in prison is basically 25 years so they'll be out eventually, worse yet they might only get 10 years.
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#50 Rougehunter
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Thats horrible:| I home he is locked in prison for life for it.