That one video that proves evolution

You may not have seen it, but its that video with the scientist ta;ling about teh chromosomes
http://www.5min.com/Video/How-Chimp-Chromosome-13-Proves-Evolution-11049
That one, what do you guys think of that?

This might be great for you atheists or broad-minded believers out there, but you can't quite comprehend how confusing and utterly messed up this is to someone who is 13 and raised to believe in the straight-forward God directly from the Bible. enterawesome

hmm, intresting.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]This might be great for you atheists or broad-minded believers out there, but you can't quite comprehend how confusing and utterly messed up this is to someone who is 13 and raised to believe in the straight-forward God directly from the Bible. T_P_O

There is no one single fact, figure, or piece of evidence that can by itself prove evolution. The chance that evolution is false is diminished with each new piece of evidence that is in accordance with its predictions, and by now the chance that its most basic assertion is wrong - that life has grown more complex over many millions of years - is virtually nil. But, if one wants to chastise those arguing in favor of creationism or such like for being unscientific, it's a good idea not to be the same way yourself. ;)

Hmmm, interesting. So it basically is saying that human chromosome is based off of two fused chip chromosomes, because it has two of this one thing it is supposed to have one of. I think. That does help the case for evolution a lot. Though it doesnt help disprove any of the big holes in the theory of evolution.

Care to sum up the video? I'm lazy :P. But, yeah, I'm guessing that's just one more piece of the overwhelming evidence in favor of evolution...chessmaster1989

i'm not scientific enough to sum it up lol, its only like 4:22 secs or something like that. Basicaly Chromosomes have markers, and the only way for it to have two of these markers in the same spot would be for it to have fused with another chromosome. Apes dont have that chromosome like us, they have 28 seperate, but we have 26. Each parent gives you half of your chromosomes, so if two of the apes 14 chromosomes fused it would leave them with 13 and one of the 13 human chromosomes shows signs of being fused with another chromosome.

I'm really butchering what the guy says lol, you should just watch. I still dont understand why Evolution andgod cant both exist. Just admit you may be wrong damnit, Thats allpeople have to do. So what if it shows life is older than you say, so what if it says that some of the other things in the bible may be untrue because if ones wrong, others could be. Those of us who are open minded enough just want the truth, and those of you who are clouding up the possibility of our finding truth by teaching close mindedness just make it harder for us to reach that eternal truth.

Its funny how evolutionist are trying to "prove" its existence, kind of like religion, should make you wonder why they seem to have this need to prove it by obscure means. Its funny how he says "I dont believe the creator is deceptive," then why would the creator make us in millions of years, and then have this part were he says he made us in like 6 days.... Contradictory he is, luckily evolution is just a religion, man is naturally religious even when trying pretending not to be. Luckily for me, I dont follow religion at all. Then in the end of the day what does it really matter? Is it going to rejuvinate the economy? noooo. Is it going to make me healthier? Nooooo. Is it... Ok you get the point. By the way, this is old. Still need to account for the millions of differences between humans and apes.

Care to sum up the video? I'm lazy :P. But, yeah, I'm guessing that's just one more piece of the overwhelming evidence in favor of evolution...chessmaster1989

I wish Gamespot had its own video player.

luckily evolution is just a religion

SegaGenesisfan

Oh god, the Tommy Lee Jones picture is out.

Also, to shift the mood: Apes laughter yields some similarity to us or something, I dunno.

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luckily evolution is just a religion

chessmaster1989

Have you ever met a guy who is a atheist that doesnt feel a need to prove his point or convert people to atheism? It is a religion, or acts the same way.

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[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

luckily evolution is just a religion

magnax1

Have you ever met a guy who is a atheist that doesnt feel a need to prove his point or convert people to atheism? It is a religion, or acts the same way.

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[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

luckily evolution is just a religion

magnax1

Have you ever met a guy who is a atheist that doesnt feel a need to prove his point or convert people to atheism? It is a religion, or acts the same way.

:lol: this is getting really funny. Evolution has nothing to do with atheism. It disproves creationism, but it doesn't disprove intelligent design.

Oh, and, by the way, look up your definitions.

Religion (n)-

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

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[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

luckily evolution is just a religion

magnax1

Have you ever met a guy who is a atheist that doesnt feel a need to prove his point or convert people to atheism? It is a religion, or acts the same way.

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i agree about evolution being religion-like. I think that until it becomes totally proven, then it, as well as every single religion, requires faith. It always bothers me when people say that they are logical rather than religious. Just look around at all the beauty in the world. Do you athiests really believe that all of the wonderful and majestic phenomona of this world all happened by accident? Thats really what it boils down to for me every time.

Sure I, like any person, has the occasional doubt about his or her faith, but my doubts usually revolve around the specifics of a creator. In my mind, there is no doubt that there was a creator. The complexity of everything around me makes it painfully obvious that it wasnt all by accident. The one issue that is usually plagueing my mind is predestination, but thats a discussion for another topic lol

i agree about evolution being religion-like. I think that until it becomes totally proven, then it, as well as every single religion, requires faith. It always bothers me when people say that they are logical rather than religious. Just look around at all the beauty in the world. Do you athiests really believe that all of the wonderful and majestic phenomona of this world all happened by accident? Thats really what it boils down to for me every time.

Sure I, like any person, has the occasional doubt about his or her faith, but my doubts usually revolve around the specifics of a creator. In my mind, there is no doubt that there was a creator. The complexity of everything around me makes it painfully obvious that it wasnt all by accident. The one issue that is usually plagueing my mind is predestination, but thats a discussion for another topic lol

montieman

Evolution is one of, if not the most well-supported scientific theory.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Care to sum up the video? I'm lazy :P. But, yeah, I'm guessing that's just one more piece of the overwhelming evidence in favor of evolution...MuddVader

i'm not scientific enough to sum it up lol, its only like 4:22 secs or something like that. Basicaly Chromosomes have markers, and the only way for it to have two of these markers in the same spot would be for it to have fused with another chromosome. Apes dont have that chromosome like us, they have 28 seperate, but we have 26. Each parent gives you half of your chromosomes, so if two of the apes 14 chromosomes fused it would leave them with 13 and one of the 13 human chromosomes shows signs of being fused with another chromosome.

I'm really butchering what the guy says lol, you should just watch. I still dont understand why Evolution andgod cant both exist. Just admit you may be wrong damnit, Thats allpeople have to do. So what if it shows life is older than you say, so what if it says that some of the other things in the bible may be untrue because if ones wrong, others could be. Those of us who are open minded enough just want the truth, and those of you who are clouding up the possibility of our finding truth by teaching close mindedness just make it harder for us to reach that eternal truth.

:lol: I see I made your sig :P

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chessmaster1989

Have you ever met a guy who is a atheist that doesnt feel a need to prove his point or convert people to atheism? It is a religion, or acts the same way.

:lol: this is getting really funny. Evolution has nothing to do with atheism. It disproves creationism, but it doesn't disprove intelligent design.

Oh, and, by the way, look up your definitions.

Religion (n)-

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Sooooo.... basically how does atheism (or at least how people treat it) not any different than that definition for a religion, It concerns nature cause and purpose of the universe (not really purpose) people often times argue that atheism has something to do with there moral code. Other than superhuman agencies and ritual observances it is often time treated as a sort of religion.

XD Icant stop laughing at tommy lee lolol
I like that one guys mom though, like i said, why cant there be both?

And to that other guy, have you ever watched things about how advanced chimps are from others animals? they can learn shapes and colors, they can solve puzzles, they are the closest thing to us in this world, why is it so impossible to imagine that we were oncethe samespecies and eventually changed branched off.

XD Icant stop laughing at tommy lee lolol
I like that one guys mom though, like i said, why cant there be both?

And to that other guy, have you ever watched things about how advanced chimps are from others animals? they can learn shapes and colors, they can solve puzzles, they are the closest thing to us in this world, why is it so impossible to imagine that we were oncethe samespecies and eventually changed branched off.

MuddVader

Mudd, you need to edit that sig a little... all you can see is Toommy Lee Jones' forehead :P.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Care to sum up the video? I'm lazy :P. But, yeah, I'm guessing that's just one more piece of the overwhelming evidence in favor of evolution...chessmaster1989

i'm not scientific enough to sum it up lol, its only like 4:22 secs or something like that. Basicaly Chromosomes have markers, and the only way for it to have two of these markers in the same spot would be for it to have fused with another chromosome. Apes dont have that chromosome like us, they have 28 seperate, but we have 26. Each parent gives you half of your chromosomes, so if two of the apes 14 chromosomes fused it would leave them with 13 and one of the 13 human chromosomes shows signs of being fused with another chromosome.

I'm really butchering what the guy says lol, you should just watch. I still dont understand why Evolution andgod cant both exist. Just admit you may be wrong damnit, Thats allpeople have to do. So what if it shows life is older than you say, so what if it says that some of the other things in the bible may be untrue because if ones wrong, others could be. Those of us who are open minded enough just want the truth, and those of you who are clouding up the possibility of our finding truth by teaching close mindedness just make it harder for us to reach that eternal truth.

:lol: I see I made your sig :P

Yeah, it was hillarious, but its too big D=

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i agree about evolution being religion-like. I think that until it becomes totally proven, then it, as well as every single religion, requires faith. It always bothers me when people say that they are logical rather than religious. Just look around at all the beauty in the world. Do you athiests really believe that all of the wonderful and majestic phenomona of this world all happened by accident? Thats really what it boils down to for me every time.

Sure I, like any person, has the occasional doubt about his or her faith, but my doubts usually revolve around the specifics of a creator. In my mind, there is no doubt that there was a creator. The complexity of everything around me makes it painfully obvious that it wasnt all by accident. The one issue that is usually plagueing my mind is predestination, but thats a discussion for another topic lol

chessmaster1989

Evolution is one of, if not the most well-supported scientific theory.

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[QUOTE="montieman"]

i agree about evolution being religion-like. I think that until it becomes totally proven, then it, as well as every single religion, requires faith. It always bothers me when people say that they are logical rather than religious. Just look around at all the beauty in the world. Do you athiests really believe that all of the wonderful and majestic phenomona of this world all happened by accident? Thats really what it boils down to for me every time.

Sure I, like any person, has the occasional doubt about his or her faith, but my doubts usually revolve around the specifics of a creator. In my mind, there is no doubt that there was a creator. The complexity of everything around me makes it painfully obvious that it wasnt all by accident. The one issue that is usually plagueing my mind is predestination, but thats a discussion for another topic lol

montieman

Evolution is one of, if not the most well-supported scientific theory.

How many times does it need to be states that a scientific theory is not the same as a theory in the general sense of the word?

And, by your logic, I guess you'd have to have faith to accept gravity... :roll:

This video is a very good proof of evolution. However a fact that proves evolution even more is the evidence of retroviruses in all the DNA of every primate. See retroviruses affect the actual DNA of the indivual animal. It basically pastes itself in the DNA. These retroviruses are of the exact same type and the exact same location in all the DNA of every primate. There are over 3 billion DNA pairs in our genome. The chance of even one of these identicle retroviruses inserting itself into the exact same location in multiple species genome is astronomical. However there are 16 of these retroviruses in our genome and the genomes of every other primate.

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Evolution is one of, if not the most well-supported scientific theory.

chessmaster1989

How many times does it need to be states that a scientific theory is not the same as a theory in the general sense of the word?

And, by your logic, I guess you'd have to have faith to accept gravity... :roll:

This might be great for you atheists or broad-minded believers out there, but you can't quite comprehend how confusing and utterly messed up this is to someone who is 13 and raised to believe in the straight-forward God directly from the Bible. enterawesome

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[QUOTE="montieman"] its a well supported theory. its not a fact. I know thats a pretty common argument, and i know gravity is technically considered a theory, but it's still faith if you are accepting something that has not been proven montieman

How many times does it need to be states that a scientific theory is not the same as a theory in the general sense of the word?

And, by your logic, I guess you'd have to have faith to accept gravity... :roll:

Well, yes, in the same sense that most people accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x. Except that people don't evolution on faith, just as they don't accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x on faith. In each case, there is considerable proof for the truth.

But, let me ask you, do you think that gravity requires faith to accept? I'm not talking about how specifically gravity occurs, but the fact that there are gravitational forces.

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[QUOTE="montieman"]

i agree about evolution being religion-like. I think that until it becomes totally proven, then it, as well as every single religion, requires faith. It always bothers me when people say that they are logical rather than religious. Just look around at all the beauty in the world. Do you athiests really believe that all of the wonderful and majestic phenomona of this world all happened by accident? Thats really what it boils down to for me every time.

Sure I, like any person, has the occasional doubt about his or her faith, but my doubts usually revolve around the specifics of a creator. In my mind, there is no doubt that there was a creator. The complexity of everything around me makes it painfully obvious that it wasnt all by accident. The one issue that is usually plagueing my mind is predestination, but thats a discussion for another topic lol

montieman

Evolution is one of, if not the most well-supported scientific theory.

Its funny how evolutionist are trying to "prove" its existence, kind of like religion

SegaGenesisfan

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Evolution is one of, if not the most well-supported scientific theory.

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

How many times does it need to be states that a scientific theory is not the same as a theory in the general sense of the word?

And, by your logic, I guess you'd have to have faith to accept gravity... :roll:

chessmaster1989

Well, yes, in the same sense that most people accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x. Except that people don't evolution on faith, just as they don't accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x on faith. In each case, there is considerable proof for the truth.

But, let me ask you, do you think that gravity requires faith to accept? I'm not talking about how specifically gravity occurs, but the fact that there are gravitational forces.

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[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

luckily evolution is just a religion

magnax1

Have you ever met a guy who is a atheist that doesnt feel a need to prove his point or convert people to atheism? It is a religion, or acts the same way.

I've never met anyone like that. o_o

Animals evolve? Like pokemon? Spicy-McHaggis

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[QUOTE="montieman"] rolling your eyes makes you seem so much more intelligent than i am. Truth be told, i think most people who accept evolution are those who have had it taught to them, weather in high school or college, and the same goes for creationism. Most people think, also, that creationism is all faith and no actual scientific substance. Well, i got to a christian high school and have 2 college level theology teachers. I think if most people really studied creationism and theology in general, they would see that a lot of it makes much more sense then a lot of evolution stuff.montieman

Well, yes, in the same sense that most people accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x. Except that people don't evolution on faith, just as they don't accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x on faith. In each case, there is considerable proof for the truth.

But, let me ask you, do you think that gravity requires faith to accept? I'm not talking about how specifically gravity occurs, but the fact that there are gravitational forces.

No, it does not. Refer to Bumfluff's post. Furthermore, microevolution is observed on a regular basis in viral mutation.

You know those viruses that develop a mutation that protects them from a medication? Well, they survive when a person is medicated, and then reproduce.

Hmm, now, what is that called? Maybe you could help me out here?

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Animals evolve? Like pokemon? BumFluff122

I actually think that's an horrible way to look at it. It contributes to the misconception that lead people to ask for things like "fronkeys."

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[QUOTE="montieman"] rolling your eyes makes you seem so much more intelligent than i am. Truth be told, i think most people who accept evolution are those who have had it taught to them, weather in high school or college, and the same goes for creationism. Most people think, also, that creationism is all faith and no actual scientific substance. Well, i got to a christian high school and have 2 college level theology teachers. I think if most people really studied creationism and theology in general, they would see that a lot of it makes much more sense then a lot of evolution stuff.montieman

Well, yes, in the same sense that most people accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x. Except that people don't evolution on faith, just as they don't accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x on faith. In each case, there is considerable proof for the truth.

But, let me ask you, do you think that gravity requires faith to accept? I'm not talking about how specifically gravity occurs, but the fact that there are gravitational forces.

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab

Flies make major evolutionary shift in subway

there are numerous other instances of epistomological proofs of evolution if you'd open your eyes to them.

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Animals evolve? Like pokemon? BumFluff122

You mean to tell me that I came from an ape?

It's a bit of an insult to say I came from a monkey -_-

If humans did actually evolve from apes (or anything non-human), then why are there still apes(or other)today? If the whole evolution theory is correct, then apes would evolve into us humans, but they are not! They are still apes!

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[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Animals evolve? Like pokemon? chessmaster1989

I actually think that's an horrible way to look at it. It contributes to the misconception that lead people to ask for things like "fronkeys."

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[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Animals evolve? Like pokemon? Spicy-McHaggis

You mean to tell me that I came from an ape?

It's a bit of an insult to say I came from a monkey -_-

If humans did actually evolve from apes (or anything non-human), then why are there still apes(or other)today? If the whole evolution theory is correct, then apes would evolve into us humans, but they are not! They are still apes!

Apes and humans descended from a common ancestor.

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Well, yes, in the same sense that most people accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x. Except that people don't evolution on faith, just as they don't accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x on faith. In each case, there is considerable proof for the truth.

But, let me ask you, do you think that gravity requires faith to accept? I'm not talking about how specifically gravity occurs, but the fact that there are gravitational forces.

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab

Flies make major evolutionary shift in subway

there are numerous other instances of epistomological proofs of evolution if you'd open your eyes to them.

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Sure. If that helps you have more of a belief in evolution then pokemon is your source.

You mean to tell me that I came from an ape?

It's a bit of an insult to say I came from a monkey -_-

If humans did actually evolve from apes (or anything non-human), then why are there still apes(or other)today? If the whole evolution theory is correct, then apes would evolve into us humans, but they are not! They are still apes!

Apes and humans descended from a common ancestor.

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Well, yes, in the same sense that most people accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x. Except that people don't evolution on faith, just as they don't accept that d/dx(x^2) = 2x on faith. In each case, there is considerable proof for the truth.

But, let me ask you, do you think that gravity requires faith to accept? I'm not talking about how specifically gravity occurs, but the fact that there are gravitational forces.

chessmaster1989

No, it does not. Refer to Bumfluff's post. Furthermore, microevolution is observed on a regular basis in viral mutation.

You know those viruses that develop a mutation that protects them from a medication? Well, they survive when a person is medicated, and then reproduce.

Hmm, now, what is that called? Maybe you could help me out here?

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[QUOTE="montieman"] no, as a matter of fact i dont. I can throw something in the air and physically see that it falls down. I cannot with my eyes see animals evolving. I have no way to tell how old the earth is, or how any of us actually got here. And truth be told, nobody does. All im saying is that evolution, just like my belief, requires faith.Spicy-McHaggis

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab

Flies make major evolutionary shift in subway

there are numerous other instances of epistomological proofs of evolution if you'd open your eyes to them.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Animals evolve? Like pokemon? Spicy-McHaggis

You mean to tell me that I came from an ape?

It's a bit of an insult to say I came from a monkey -_-

If humans did actually evolve from apes (or anything non-human), then why are there still apes(or other)today? If the whole evolution theory is correct, then apes would evolve into us humans, but they are not! They are still apes!