That one video that proves evolution

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Animals evolve? Like pokemon? Spicy-McHaggis

You mean to tell me that I came from an ape?

It's a bit of an insult to say I came from a monkey -_-

If humans did actually evolve from apes (or anything non-human), then why are there still apes(or other)today? If the whole evolution theory is correct, then apes would evolve into us humans, but they are not! They are still apes!

We came from a common ancestor, the other primates that live today our are cousins.. The Chimpanzee for instance has something around a 98% similarity to our DNA or maybe more if memory occurs.. Is it such a stretch to realize that these primates have striking similarities to us? Their bone structures and things like opposable thumbs are incrediably similar to us..

The fly thing is not evolution, it's habitatual adaptation. There isn't a new species, it's just natural selection doing it's job. Spicy-McHaggis

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] no, as a matter of fact i dont. I can throw something in the air and physically see that it falls down. I cannot with my eyes see animals evolving. I have no way to tell how old the earth is, or how any of us actually got here. And truth be told, nobody does. All im saying is that evolution, just like my belief, requires faith.montieman

No, it does not. Refer to Bumfluff's post. Furthermore, microevolution is observed on a regular basis in viral mutation.

You know those viruses that develop a mutation that protects them from a medication? Well, they survive when a person is medicated, and then reproduce.

Hmm, now, what is that called? Maybe you could help me out here?

... The Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with the existence of god.. It only pertains to the earliest point scientists can find on how our universe came to be.. Scientists havn't a clue what occured before it, what caused it etc etc.. Thats the thing about science it doesn't make radical claims with no evidence to back it up.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] no, as a matter of fact i dont. I can throw something in the air and physically see that it falls down. I cannot with my eyes see animals evolving. I have no way to tell how old the earth is, or how any of us actually got here. And truth be told, nobody does. All im saying is that evolution, just like my belief, requires faith.montieman

No, it does not. Refer to Bumfluff's post. Furthermore, microevolution is observed on a regular basis in viral mutation.

You know those viruses that develop a mutation that protects them from a medication? Well, they survive when a person is medicated, and then reproduce.

Hmm, now, what is that called? Maybe you could help me out here?

I do think that The Big Bang is the best explanation right now, although it is far from certain; moreover, the origins of the universe is irrelevant to our discussion of evolution.

And, I'm not going to bother responding to your assertions about The Big Bang theory, since you clearly know pretty much nothing about it.

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] The fly thing is not evolution, it's habitatual adaptation. There isn't a new species, it's just natural selection doing it's job. BumFluff122

Also point out that we are phyiscally not much different from our cousins the Chimpanzee's.. Those "small" changes such as having a coat of hair across the majority of our body, curved bone structure, lower intelligence etc etc.. Are all things thatcertain humans have been born with that have been classified as "disorders"...

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] The fly thing is not evolution, it's habitatual adaptation. There isn't a new species, it's just natural selection doing it's job. BumFluff122

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

No, it does not. Refer to Bumfluff's post. Furthermore, microevolution is observed on a regular basis in viral mutation.

You know those viruses that develop a mutation that protects them from a medication? Well, they survive when a person is medicated, and then reproduce.

Hmm, now, what is that called? Maybe you could help me out here?

sSubZerOo

... The Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with the existence of god.. It only pertains to the earliest point scientists can find on how our universe came to be.. Scientists havn't a clue what occured before it, what caused it etc etc.. Thats the thing about science it doesn't make radical claims with no evidence to back it up.

Even the Pope believs in evolution. Actually the last 3 popes have.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Animals evolve? Like pokemon? Spicy-McHaggis

You mean to tell me that I came from an ape?

It's a bit of an insult to say I came from a monkey -_-

If humans did actually evolve from apes (or anything non-human), then why are there still apes(or other)today? If the whole evolution theory is correct, then apes would evolve into us humans, but they are not! They are still apes!

Humans are apes. -.-;;

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] ok, im not talking about microevolution. theres a difference between a virus becoming a virus that can resist a medication and an amoeba becoming a human. And lets talk about how everything actually got here in the first place. Im assuming that you believe in the big bang theory, correct? so rather than thinking that there just might be a greater being somewhere out there who created us, you prefer to think that nothingness, utter nothingness, somehow exploded, creating everything, totally going against entropy, the natural tendency of things to go from complex to simple. Sorry, but thats much more far fetched to believe than what i believe.montieman

... The Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with the existence of god.. It only pertains to the earliest point scientists can find on how our universe came to be.. Scientists havn't a clue what occured before it, what caused it etc etc.. Thats the thing about science it doesn't make radical claims with no evidence to back it up.

I havn't a clue what so ever personally I never bother asking my self it because there is no way we would know..

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Sure. If that helps you have more of a belief in evolution then pokemon is your source.

You mean to tell me that I came from an ape?

It's a bit of an insult to say I came from a monkey -_-

If humans did actually evolve from apes (or anything non-human), then why are there still apes(or other)today? If the whole evolution theory is correct, then apes would evolve into us humans, but they are not! They are still apes!

Humans are apes. -.-;;

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Animals evolve? Like pokemon? Spicy-McHaggis

You mean to tell me that I came from an ape?

It's a bit of an insult to say I came from a monkey -_-

If humans did actually evolve from apes (or anything non-human), then why are there still apes(or other)today? If the whole evolution theory is correct, then apes would evolve into us humans, but they are not! They are still apes!

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] ok, im not talking about microevolution. theres a difference between a virus becoming a virus that can resist a medication and an amoeba becoming a human. And lets talk about how everything actually got here in the first place. Im assuming that you believe in the big bang theory, correct? so rather than thinking that there just might be a greater being somewhere out there who created us, you prefer to think that nothingness, utter nothingness, somehow exploded, creating everything, totally going against entropy, the natural tendency of things to go from complex to simple. Sorry, but thats much more far fetched to believe than what i believe.montieman

... The Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with the existence of god.. It only pertains to the earliest point scientists can find on how our universe came to be.. Scientists havn't a clue what occured before it, what caused it etc etc.. Thats the thing about science it doesn't make radical claims with no evidence to back it up.

It is entirely possible that other universes exist. However, there is not currently enough evidence to strongly suggest they do.

The fly thing is not evolution, it's habitatual adaptation. There isn't a new species, it's just natural selection doing it's job. Spicy-McHaggis

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] The fly thing is not evolution, it's habitatual adaptation. There isn't a new species, it's just natural selection doing it's job. Spicy-McHaggis

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

... The Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with the existence of god.. It only pertains to the earliest point scientists can find on how our universe came to be.. Scientists havn't a clue what occured before it, what caused it etc etc.. Thats the thing about science it doesn't make radical claims with no evidence to back it up.

sSubZerOo

I havn't a clue what so ever personally I never bother asking my self it because there is no way we would know..

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] ok, im not talking about microevolution. theres a difference between a virus becoming a virus that can resist a medication and an amoeba becoming a human. And lets talk about how everything actually got here in the first place. Im assuming that you believe in the big bang theory, correct? so rather than thinking that there just might be a greater being somewhere out there who created us, you prefer to think that nothingness, utter nothingness, somehow exploded, creating everything, totally going against entropy, the natural tendency of things to go from complex to simple. Sorry, but thats much more far fetched to believe than what i believe.montieman

I do think that The Big Bang is the best explanation right now, although it is far from certain; moreover, the origins of the universe is irrelevant to our discussion of evolution.

And, I'm not going to bother responding to your assertions about The Big Bang theory, since you clearly know pretty much nothing about it.

.. Ok Don't say evolutionist.. There is no such thing as one.. There are people who agree and accept scientific theories and facts.. And there are not.. What do you call people who accept Gravity? Or photosytniesis?

Big Bang is insane. How did everything just come together so perfectly to make a perfect ecosystem, with beings that are somehow compatible with one another. Not to mention, not just one species of beings, but millions. Do you mean to tell me that man and woman were made so they could perfectly reproduce, and it was because of an explosion? Bible ftw!Spicy-McHaggis

Why isnt there life on every planet? if this god is so omnipotent and powerful, why didnt he create one dominant species on each planet, why would he give one planet life, and not the rest? What are the other ones for? Looks? every planet in its place by chance has an immense scientific meaning to the solar system. Without one of them, things would be drasticaly different. But if thats the alternative, why didnt god just create the universe perfect to where Earth alone, being the harbinger of life, was in perfect balance, never to close or in danger of moving to far away from the sun. why cant we just breathe anywhere? another question would be why do we have to breathe at all, what a flawed design to have to draw breathe when so much power is show upon us by the sun. What kind of flawed machine are we that out of nowhere for no apparent reason, our cells can go haywire and we suddenly have cancer?
Of what use is war, why would we be created with such conflictive ideals? Why do we doubt god? if i create a stick man with sticks and lay him down, i can choose where he goes, how he moves. But if there is a god, why cant he just make us do as we were created to do, unless its some sick joke of its and we were meant to kill rape destroy and all the other evils that mankind commits. Read this, and tell me hes not right.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God." -Epicurus

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] ok, im not talking about microevolution. theres a difference between a virus becoming a virus that can resist a medication and an amoeba becoming a human. And lets talk about how everything actually got here in the first place. Im assuming that you believe in the big bang theory, correct? so rather than thinking that there just might be a greater being somewhere out there who created us, you prefer to think that nothingness, utter nothingness, somehow exploded, creating everything, totally going against entropy, the natural tendency of things to go from complex to simple. Sorry, but thats much more far fetched to believe than what i believe.montieman

I do think that The Big Bang is the best explanation right now, although it is far from certain; moreover, the origins of the universe is irrelevant to our discussion of evolution.

And, I'm not going to bother responding to your assertions about The Big Bang theory, since you clearly know pretty much nothing about it.

Here is a brief overview:

http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

Like I said, it is far from certain.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] so youre saying that you believe that there was matter, possibly another universe, before our universe? im not being sarcastic im asking you is that what you think?montieman

I havn't a clue what so ever personally I never bother asking my self it because there is no way we would know..

... Every rationale people is that way, the point being is your faith does not work well with logical arguments.. if we were to logically argue about a creator, the evidence just doesn't exist meaning it should never enter the argument what so ever.. The Big Bangshould have nothing to do with this... The way I see it, in the end if a being did create this reality.. We were a accident of chance, we are entirely too small and insignificant to actually mean something in the vast universe we live in.. Even something as fast as light, can take billions of years to reach us from points in the Universe.

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I do think that The Big Bang is the best explanation right now, although it is far from certain; moreover, the origins of the universe is irrelevant to our discussion of evolution.

And, I'm not going to bother responding to your assertions about The Big Bang theory, since you clearly know pretty much nothing about it.

sSubZerOo

.. Ok Don't say evolutionist.. There is no such thing as one.. There are people who agree and accept scientific theories and facts.. And there are not.. What do you call people who accept Gravity? Or photosytniesis?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] so youre saying that you believe that there was matter, possibly another universe, before our universe? im not being sarcastic im asking you is that what you think?montieman

I havn't a clue what so ever personally I never bother asking my self it because there is no way we would know..

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I havn't a clue what so ever personally I never bother asking my self it because there is no way we would know..

sSubZerOo

... Every rationale people is that way, the point being is your faith does not work well with logical arguments.. if we were to logically argue about a creator, the evidence just doesn't exist meaning it should never enter the argument what so ever.. The Big Bangshould have nothing to do with this... The way I see it, in the end if a being did create this reality.. We were a accident of chance, we are entirely too small and insignificant to actually mean something in the vast universe we live in.. Even something as fast as light, can take billions of years to reach us from points in the Universe.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] why is it that every time i try to have a debate with an evolutionist, they just act like a pretentious a hole? you dont know what i know. So please, since im just some moron who somehow figured out how to work a computer, explain how the big band theory makes sense. Enlighten me sir.montieman

.. Ok Don't say evolutionist.. There is no such thing as one.. There are people who agree and accept scientific theories and facts.. And there are not.. What do you call people who accept Gravity? Or photosytniesis?

Because there is NO BELIEF IN IT.. You either accept SCIENCE for what it is, in the case of Evolution which has more evidence for the scientific theory that its seen as a fact in the community, that it did occur.. Under the scientific method it passes the bill... The only real group against it are the people with religious bias..

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I havn't a clue what so ever personally I never bother asking my self it because there is no way we would know..

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] why is it that every time i try to have a debate with an evolutionist, they just act like a pretentious a hole? you dont know what i know. So please, since im just some moron who somehow figured out how to work a computer, explain how the big band theory makes sense. Enlighten me sir.montieman

.. Ok Don't say evolutionist.. There is no such thing as one.. There are people who agree and accept scientific theories and facts.. And there are not.. What do you call people who accept Gravity? Or photosytniesis?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] EXACTLY! so to believe in a theory of how the world was created would require.....faith. Thats all ive been trying to say. I obvioulsy dont know what happened either. I just have faith. I respect you however subzero. At least you admit we dont know.montieman

... Every rationale people is that way, the point being is your faith does not work well with logical arguments.. if we were to logically argue about a creator, the evidence just doesn't exist meaning it should never enter the argument what so ever.. The Big Bangshould have nothing to do with this... The way I see it, in the end if a being did create this reality.. We were a accident of chance, we are entirely too small and insignificant to actually mean something in the vast universe we live in.. Even something as fast as light, can take billions of years to reach us from points in the Universe.

[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"]Big Bang is insane. How did everything just come together so perfectly to make a perfect ecosystem, with beings that are somehow compatible with one another. Not to mention, not just one species of beings, but millions. Do you mean to tell me that man and woman were made so they could perfectly reproduce, and it was because of an explosion? Bible ftw!MuddVader

Why isnt there life on every planet? if this god is so omnipotent and powerful, why didnt he create one dominant species on each planet, why would he give one planet life, and not the rest? What are the other ones for? Looks? every planet in its place by chance has an immense scientific meaning to the solar system. Without one of them, things would be drasticaly different. But if thats the alternative, why didnt god just create the universe perfect to where Earth alone, being the harbinger of life, was in perfect balance, never to close or in danger of moving to far away from the sun. why cant we just breathe anywhere? another question would be why do we have to breathe at all, what a flawed design to have to draw breathe when so much power is show upon us by the sun. What kind of flawed machine are we that out of nowhere for no apparent reason, our cells can go haywire and we suddenly have cancer?
Of what use is war, why would we be created with such conflictive ideals? Why do we doubt god? if i create a stick man with sticks and lay him down, i can choose where he goes, how he moves. But if there is a god, why cant he just make us do as we were created to do, unless its some sick joke of its and we were meant to kill rape destroy and all the other evils that mankind commits. Read this, and tell me hes not right.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God." -Epicurus

I would like to point out that our Universe is far from perfect.. If you didn't know our galaxy is on a collosion course with the Andromeda galaxy.. Where are planet will either A) flung into the center of that collision possibly flinging us into its dangerous center.. Or B) we are flung out of the galaxy into the void.. This sort of thing happens all the time.. There are also things like super nova's going off where if we were around 600 light years away it may kill all life on our planet as we know it.. We are just lucky that we are relatively in a quiet part in our galaxy.. If we are some how god's master plan, why is it that everything is slated by our observations to be much older than us, as well as last much longer after we die out as a race?

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. Ok Don't say evolutionist.. There is no such thing as one.. There are people who agree and accept scientific theories and facts.. And there are not.. What do you call people who accept Gravity? Or photosytniesis?

sSubZerOo

Because there is NO BELIEF IN IT.. You either accept SCIENCE for what it is, in the case of Evolution which has more evidence for the scientific theory that its seen as a fact in the community, that it did occur.. Under the scientific method it passes the bill... The only real group against it are the people with religious bias..

If we are some how god's master plan, why is it that everything is slated by our observations to be much older than us, as well as last much longer after we die out as a race?

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] is it really a big deal to say evolutionist? It just means somebody who believes in evolution. And there is a difference. Most people accept most scientific facts, and that doesnt mean that they believe in evolution. Its not like i say evolutionist as a derogatory term, i just mean people who believe in evolution.montieman

Because there is NO BELIEF IN IT.. You either accept SCIENCE for what it is, in the case of Evolution which has more evidence for the scientific theory that its seen as a fact in the community, that it did occur.. Under the scientific method it passes the bill... The only real group against it are the people with religious bias..

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] no, as a matter of fact i dont. I can throw something in the air and physically see that it falls down. I cannot with my eyes see animals evolving. I have no way to tell how old the earth is, or how any of us actually got here. And truth be told, nobody does. All im saying is that evolution, just like my belief, requires faith.montieman

No, it does not. Refer to Bumfluff's post. Furthermore, microevolution is observed on a regular basis in viral mutation.

You know those viruses that develop a mutation that protects them from a medication? Well, they survive when a person is medicated, and then reproduce.

Hmm, now, what is that called? Maybe you could help me out here?

Have you ever thought that it wasnt utter nothingness untill moments before it exploded? The universe is expanding, and they think that in time, it will collapse on itself again on a central point, and eventually re-expand again via another big bang, or atleast this is a theory. If thats the case, Its just gravity in effect, mass pulls other mass, just as there is a center of gravity in the planet, the solar system, the milky way, there is a gravitational pull in the middle of the universe. Its very simple to imagine, but basically the universe could be infinite in lifespan as its recycles all it is in the big bang.

or something like that, i'm not too scientificy so i'm doing my best.

If we are some how god's master plan, why is it that everything is slated by our observations to be much older than us, as well as last much longer after we die out as a race?

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. Ok Don't say evolutionist.. There is no such thing as one.. There are people who agree and accept scientific theories and facts.. And there are not.. What do you call people who accept Gravity? Or photosytniesis?

-Chimera-

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

No, it does not. Refer to Bumfluff's post. Furthermore, microevolution is observed on a regular basis in viral mutation.

You know those viruses that develop a mutation that protects them from a medication? Well, they survive when a person is medicated, and then reproduce.

Hmm, now, what is that called? Maybe you could help me out here?

MuddVader

Have you ever thought that it wasnt utter nothingness untill moments before it exploded? The universe is expanding, and they think that in time, it will collapse on itself again on a central point, and eventually re-expand again via another big bang, or atleast this is a theory. If thats the case, Its just gravity in effect, mass pulls other mass, just as there is a center of gravity in the planet, the solar system, the milky way, there is a gravitational pull in the middle of the universe. Its very simple to imagine, but basically the universe could be infinite in lifespan as its recycles all it is in the big bang.

or something like that, i'm not too scientificy so i'm doing my best.

That is false.. Scientists now think that the universe will either be torn asunder, or die out till nothing is left.. The first idea is based on the fact that the outer galaxies are increasing in speed, in which the Dark energy is gaining strength to the point that over many billions of years the force will get so strong it will rip all matter apart.. The other theory is the idea that the universe iwll turn into a husk.. Where all the suns will burn out, and for a time only black holes will exist eating every other piece of dead matter (dead as in unable to create fusion).. Finally after a vast amount of time more, those blackholes will evaporate from existence.

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Because there is NO BELIEF IN IT.. You either accept SCIENCE for what it is, in the case of Evolution which has more evidence for the scientific theory that its seen as a fact in the community, that it did occur.. Under the scientific method it passes the bill... The only real group against it are the people with religious bias..

BumFluff122

If we are some how god's master plan, why is it that everything is slated by our observations to be much older than us, as well as last much longer after we die out as a race?

If we are some how god's master plan, why is it that everything is slated by our observations to be much older than us, as well as last much longer after we die out as a race?

Well, as somebody who does not believe in evolution (and im talking big evolution, like amoebas to humans here) i would have to say that i do not consider it to be science. since we have never seen a species change i dont think its fair to call it science.montieman

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

No, it does not. Refer to Bumfluff's post. Furthermore, microevolution is observed on a regular basis in viral mutation.

You know those viruses that develop a mutation that protects them from a medication? Well, they survive when a person is medicated, and then reproduce.

Hmm, now, what is that called? Maybe you could help me out here?

MuddVader

Have you ever thought that it wasnt utter nothingness untill moments before it exploded? The universe is expanding, and they think that in time, it will collapse on itself again on a central point, and eventually re-expand again via another big bang, or atleast this is a theory. If thats the case, Its just gravity in effect, mass pulls other mass, just as there is a center of gravity in the planet, the solar system, the milky way, there is a gravitational pull in the middle of the universe. Its very simple to imagine, but basically the universe could be infinite in lifespan as its recycles all it is in the big bang.

or something like that, i'm not too scientificy so i'm doing my best.

[QUOTE="-Chimera-"][QUOTE="montieman"] is it really a big deal to say evolutionist? It just means somebody who believes in evolution. And there is a difference. Most people accept most scientific facts, and that doesnt mean that they believe in evolution. Its not like i say evolutionist as a derogatory term, i just mean people who believe in evolution.montieman

[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Have you seen God? Why do you believe in Him?

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="MuddVader"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] ok, im not talking about microevolution. theres a difference between a virus becoming a virus that can resist a medication and an amoeba becoming a human. And lets talk about how everything actually got here in the first place. Im assuming that you believe in the big bang theory, correct? so rather than thinking that there just might be a greater being somewhere out there who created us, you prefer to think that nothingness, utter nothingness, somehow exploded, creating everything, totally going against entropy, the natural tendency of things to go from complex to simple. Sorry, but thats much more far fetched to believe than what i believe.sSubZerOo

Have you ever thought that it wasnt utter nothingness untill moments before it exploded? The universe is expanding, and they think that in time, it will collapse on itself again on a central point, and eventually re-expand again via another big bang, or atleast this is a theory. If thats the case, Its just gravity in effect, mass pulls other mass, just as there is a center of gravity in the planet, the solar system, the milky way, there is a gravitational pull in the middle of the universe. Its very simple to imagine, but basically the universe could be infinite in lifespan as its recycles all it is in the big bang.

or something like that, i'm not too scientificy so i'm doing my best.

That is false.. Scientists now think that the universe will either be torn asunder, or die out till nothing is left.. The first idea is based on the fact that the outer galaxies are increasing in speed, in which the Dark energy is gaining strength to the point that over many billions of years the force will get so strong it will rip all matter apart.. The other theory is the idea that the universe iwll turn into a husk.. Where all the suns will burn out, and for a time only black holes will exist eating every other piece of dead matter (dead as in unable to create fusion).. Finally after a vast amount of time more, those blackholes will evaporate from existence.

[QUOTE="MuddVader"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] ok, im not talking about microevolution. theres a difference between a virus becoming a virus that can resist a medication and an amoeba becoming a human. And lets talk about how everything actually got here in the first place. Im assuming that you believe in the big bang theory, correct? so rather than thinking that there just might be a greater being somewhere out there who created us, you prefer to think that nothingness, utter nothingness, somehow exploded, creating everything, totally going against entropy, the natural tendency of things to go from complex to simple. Sorry, but thats much more far fetched to believe than what i believe.sSubZerOo

Have you ever thought that it wasnt utter nothingness untill moments before it exploded? The universe is expanding, and they think that in time, it will collapse on itself again on a central point, and eventually re-expand again via another big bang, or atleast this is a theory. If thats the case, Its just gravity in effect, mass pulls other mass, just as there is a center of gravity in the planet, the solar system, the milky way, there is a gravitational pull in the middle of the universe. Its very simple to imagine, but basically the universe could be infinite in lifespan as its recycles all it is in the big bang.

or something like that, i'm not too scientificy so i'm doing my best.

That is false.. Scientists now think that the universe will either be torn asunder, or die out till nothing is left.. The first idea is based on the fact that the outer galaxies are increasing in speed, in which the Dark energy is gaining strength to the point that over many billions of years the force will get so strong it will rip all matter apart.. The other theory is the idea that the universe iwll turn into a husk.. Where all the suns will burn out, and for a time only black holes will exist eating every other piece of dead matter (dead as in unable to create fusion).. Finally after a vast amount of time more, those blackholes will evaporate from existence.

wow that totaly sucks ._. so much for theuniverse. I like mine better, atleast theres a restart. But yeah, ive been kind of disconnected from, well life for the last few years, so thanks for filling me in on that, its quite amazing.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="montieman"] no, and i dont think that creationism is science either.montieman

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="montieman"] no, and i dont think that creationism is science either.montieman

[QUOTE="montieman"]

[QUOTE="-Chimera-"] No, actually, evolutionism is a term commonly used by creationists to imply that evolution has a religious pretext and that the assertions made by the theory are put forth on faith rather than testable evidence. You're not going to find anyone who's well-versed with the theory of evolution call themselves an evolutionist.-Chimera-

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="montieman"] no, and i dont think that creationism is science either.montieman