The best rapper of this generation =....

[QUOTE="SPBoss"]And all the people saying eminem, he got killed in a freestyle by a londoner called skinnyman SuperSaiyanLink

Its mostly just a rumor and can't really be clarified. But apparently, skinnyman jumped on stage and caught eminem off guard and Em was unable to respond

Seriously, Eminem is a legend and when it is all said and done he will be considered one of the greatest ever. Rakim, a pioneer of hip hop known for being the first to use internal ryhmes and complex literary devices has said Eminem is on of the greatest of all time.

Rakim speaking on Eminem - www.youtube.com/watch?v=I53vWm8djGk

Cypress_290

Vanilla ice?

J Cole is THE best rapper right now. Friday Night Lights was the best mixtape I've listened to in a long while. Reminds me of how I was when I used to get every Drake mixtape, then he went to Young Money and ruined everything. Hes ok but he was doing way better before he blew up and signed with the worst record label possible. Also, Starlito (aka All-Star) is really good too.

Zach DelaRocha from Rage Against the Machine

J Cole is THE best rapper right now. Friday Night Lights was the best mixtape I've listened to in a long while. Reminds me of how I was when I used to get every Drake mixtape, then he went to Young Money and ruined everything. Hes ok but he was doing way better before he blew up and signed with the worst record label possible. Also, Starlito (aka All-Star) is really good too.

kaze347

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

SilentSoprano

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

SilentSoprano

Wow im surprised it took three whole pages before someone brought up the matter of race.

[QUOTE="SilentSoprano"]

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

Cypress_290

Wow im surprised it took three whole pages before someone brought up the matter of race.

I'm not saying that's the only reason people like him, but it seems like that has a lot to do with him being popular with the middle class white kids who can relate to him better.

[QUOTE="SilentSoprano"]

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

Y2Jfan23

Yea I guess, but Eminem seems to be going in a downward spiral himself.

[QUOTE="Cypress_290"]

[QUOTE="SilentSoprano"]

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

SilentSoprano

Wow im surprised it took three whole pages before someone brought up the matter of race.

I'm not saying that's the only reason people like him, but it seems like that has a lot to do with him being popular with the middle class white kids who can relate to him better.

If he was black he might not have sold as many records, but he would still be just as talented. Rakim mentions this in the video I posted on page 3. And as far as I'm concerned, Rakim's opinion>>>>all of our opinions combined regarding hip hop.

[QUOTE="Cypress_290"]

[QUOTE="SilentSoprano"]

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

SilentSoprano

Wow im surprised it took three whole pages before someone brought up the matter of race.

I'm not saying that's the only reason people like him, but it seems like that has a lot to do with him being popular with the middle class white kids who can relate to him better.

Master P :P

A lot more than just white people respect Eminem in my experience (I live in Nashville, think its full of rednecks, you're wrong, very wrong) Eminem has good word play and hes aggressive. That makes him good to a lot of people. It hasnt occurred to anyone I've ever had this debate with that maybe, just maybe, the way rap is now is better, to the people it appeals to, than old rap is. And there are a lot more people that like the new stuff than the old stuff. I honestly cannot listen to anything before like 2004. I just dont like it. The evolution that rap went through, the metamorphosis if you will, is what I like, And I like it a lot. Its not enough to warrant being a new genre, but this, to me, is what rap is.

Cole World. No blanket.

A lot more than just white people respect Eminem in my experience (I live in Nashville, think its full of rednecks, you're wrong, very wrong) Eminem has good word play and hes aggressive. That makes him good to a lot of people. It hasnt occurred to anyone I've ever had this debate with that maybe, just maybe, the way rap is now is better, to the people it appeals to, than old rap is. And there are a lot more people that like the new stuff than the old stuff. I honestly cannot listen to anything before like 2004. I just dont like it. The evolution that rap went through, the metamorphosis if you will, is what I like, And I like it a lot. Its not enough to warrant being a new genre, but this, to me, is what rap is.

Cole World. No blanket.

kaze347

Idk thats an interesting point but I still can't really understand how someone could prefer a song like Rick Ross' BMF to Biggie's Juicy, or Soulja Boy's crank that to Pac's changes. Hip hop was once about simple beats that emphasized clever lyrics and complex rhyme scheme. Now it seems like ever since the "southern takeover" hip hop has been more about "snap" beats, auto tune and less of an emphasis on meaningful lyrics. It was once about the struggle and hardships of growing up in impoverished neighborhoods and now its all about cars, sex, and money. Eminem became famous by battling his way up through the underground and getting in second place in the 97' rap Olympics, and Drake got famous by being on a teenage Canadian soap opera.

A lot more than just white people respect Eminem in my experience (I live in Nashville, think its full of rednecks, you're wrong, very wrong) Eminem has good word play and hes aggressive. That makes him good to a lot of people. It hasnt occurred to anyone I've ever had this debate with that maybe, just maybe, the way rap is now is better, to the people it appeals to, than old rap is. And there are a lot more people that like the new stuff than the old stuff. I honestly cannot listen to anything before like 2004. I just dont like it. The evolution that rap went through, the metamorphosis if you will, is what I like, And I like it a lot. Its not enough to warrant being a new genre, but this, to me, is what rap is.

Cole World. No blanket.

kaze347

[QUOTE="kaze347"]

A lot more than just white people respect Eminem in my experience (I live in Nashville, think its full of rednecks, you're wrong, very wrong) Eminem has good word play and hes aggressive. That makes him good to a lot of people. It hasnt occurred to anyone I've ever had this debate with that maybe, just maybe, the way rap is now is better, to the people it appeals to, than old rap is. And there are a lot more people that like the new stuff than the old stuff. I honestly cannot listen to anything before like 2004. I just dont like it. The evolution that rap went through, the metamorphosis if you will, is what I like, And I like it a lot. Its not enough to warrant being a new genre, but this, to me, is what rap is.

Cole World. No blanket.

Cypress_290

Idk thats an interesting point but I still can't really understand how someone could prefer a song like Rick Ross' BMF to Biggie's Juicy, or Soulja Boy's crank that to Pac's changes. Hip hop was once about simple beats that emphasized clever lyrics and complex rhyme scheme. Now it seems like ever since the "southern takeover" hip hop has been more about "snap" beats, auto tune and less of an emphasis on meaningful lyrics. It was once about the struggle and hardships of growing up in impoverished neighborhoods and now its all about cars, sex, and money. Eminem became famous by battling his way up through the underground and getting in second place in the 97' rap Olympics, and Drake got famous by being on a teenage Canadian soap opera.

I dont prefer stupid metaphors, no. There are people rapping now that say things deeper than anything I've ever heard from any old rapper. I didnt say I prefered Soulja Boy either. When people make these "I dont see how you prefer" analogies, they always choose something top shelf for their side of the argument (Pac) and something they know even fans of the other side dont like at all (Soulja Boy). I prefer what its become when its at its finest, as opposed to how it used to be, at its finest.

rap is no longer an art form. It had humble roots, but its big business now.

I dont prefer stupid metaphors, no. There are people rapping now that say things deeper than anything I've ever heard from any old rapper. I didnt say I prefered Soulja Boy either. When people make these "I dont see how you prefer" analogies, they always choose something top shelf for their side of the argument (Pac) and something they know even fans of the other side dont like at all (Soulja Boy). I prefer what its become when its at its finest, as opposed to how it used to be, at its finest.

kaze347

Eminem is the only note worthy rapper of this generation.

[QUOTE="Cypress_290"]

[QUOTE="kaze347"]

A lot more than just white people respect Eminem in my experience (I live in Nashville, think its full of rednecks, you're wrong, very wrong) Eminem has good word play and hes aggressive. That makes him good to a lot of people. It hasnt occurred to anyone I've ever had this debate with that maybe, just maybe, the way rap is now is better, to the people it appeals to, than old rap is. And there are a lot more people that like the new stuff than the old stuff. I honestly cannot listen to anything before like 2004. I just dont like it. The evolution that rap went through, the metamorphosis if you will, is what I like, And I like it a lot. Its not enough to warrant being a new genre, but this, to me, is what rap is.

Cole World. No blanket.

BIG-BOSSMAN

Idk thats an interesting point but I still can't really understand how someone could prefer a song like Rick Ross' BMF to Biggie's Juicy, or Soulja Boy's crank that to Pac's changes. Hip hop was once about simple beats that emphasized clever lyrics and complex rhyme scheme. Now it seems like ever since the "southern takeover" hip hop has been more about "snap" beats, auto tune and less of an emphasis on meaningful lyrics. It was once about the struggle and hardships of growing up in impoverished neighborhoods and now its all about cars, sex, and money. Eminem became famous by battling his way up through the underground and getting in second place in the 97' rap Olympics, and Drake got famous by being on a teenage Canadian soap opera.

I know and its very upsetting. I just had this discussion with my roommates and most of them felt lil wayne is comparable to biggie. I'm only 18 and I understand that 2000's is for the most part awful compared to the old school stuff. Hell, I was only 4 when Pac died.

[QUOTE="SilentSoprano"]

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

Cypress_290

Wow im surprised it took three whole pages before someone brought up the matter of race.

The matter of race is relevant when it comes to Eminem though.

When people pretend that Eminem is the only good/meaningful rapper out there or "the only rapper I like", it's usually due to an aversion to black rappers.

People can flame me all they want, but I'm just pointing out the elephant in the room that nobody wants to see.

Lil Wayne, Drake, Rick Ross and Wacka Flocka FlameY2Jfan23

Rick Ross is a pretty mediocre MC and he was a cop.

A lot more than just white people respect Eminem in my experience (I live in Nashville, think its full of rednecks, you're wrong, very wrong) Eminem has good word play and hes aggressive. That makes him good to a lot of people. It hasnt occurred to anyone I've ever had this debate with that maybe, just maybe, the way rap is now is better, to the people it appeals to, than old rap is. And there are a lot more people that like the new stuff than the old stuff. I honestly cannot listen to anything before like 2004. I just dont like it. The evolution that rap went through, the metamorphosis if you will, is what I like, And I like it a lot. Its not enough to warrant being a new genre, but this, to me, is what rap is.

Cole World. No blanket.

kaze347

Yeah, almost all black hip hop fans respect Eminem's rhyming talent, delivery and lyrical skills. But the argument is not that only white people like Eminem. The argument is that Eminem's race is what causes people to elevate Eminem to ridiculous levels and dismiss other rappers.

Aesop Rock, I understand he doesnt have the smoothest voice, but it is unique and his lyrics are to kill for.

or Mac Dre before the "hyphy movement". He is your more "traditional" rapper (talking about drugs, women, etc) but the combination of often-serious lyrics with awesome beats is just great.

[QUOTE="SilentSoprano"]

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

Y2Jfan23

Kanye is an average MC, but to call him irrelevant is ridiculous. His new album is getting the best reviews of his career. It got 5 stars on Rolling Stone.

Also, Jay Z is actually still coming out with great songs (Empire State of Mind) while Eminem has that silly song with Rhianna.

BTW, Lil Wayne is a joke. I find it sort of surreal that he makes so much money with his nonsense.

Hey 15-25 year old white kids, Eminem isn't as amazing as you think. Sorry to break it to you. I know you love the fact that he's a white rapper and all, but geez, he is nowhere near how he used to be.

SilentSoprano

I'm turning 30 in December, and yes Em is as good as others make him out to be.

TI Eminem That's all She Wrote

Em's second verse is sick. He spits so fluidly, but hey your opinion is your opinion even if it's wrong. His work may have lost some of it's comical value, and maybe he's not as angry as he once was but he still uses word play better than most in teh business.

oh I got one!

Smoov E :lol:

:P

Big Lurch....didnt do noting

BTW, Lil Wayne is a joke. I find it sort of surreal that he makes so much money with his nonsense.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

BTW, Lil Wayne is a joke. I find it sort of surreal that he makes so much money with his nonsense.

SPBoss

Lil Wayne almost put me to sleep with his freestyle. LOL

Li'l Wayne (Joking)

Immortal Technique is the best rapper of this decade, and I would consider him one of the better ones of the 90's even though he had one (amazing) album

I think Kid Cudi is dope as hell, his new album was different but still pretty cool.

Kanye is great too.

Nelly was very big when he first came out. Most people I knew were bumpin him everywhere, so I think it's only fair to mention him.

Eminem is obviously great, but I consider him to be a voice of the last generation (1996-2003)

Though they haven't released a full-length album yet, I would consider Chiddy Bang better than 90% of evryone else in the past 3 years. Seriously.

Ludacris was the best for a short while and is still great.

Andre 3000 is one of the best of this decade I believe, Outkast was killin' it for a long time.

Em IMO

Frankly, Jay-Z is the greatest rapper who ever lived. There is just no arguing against it.

Plus there are 3 people who absolutley have got to be an a greatest rappers list...

Jay-Z (of course)

Kanye West (imo 2nd best rapper)

Lupe Fiasco.

Mike Smith

Zach DelaRocha from Rage Against the Machine

DudeNtheRoom

K-rino will destroy these commercial rappers anyday, GAY-Z included.

listen to the lyrics. if you want rap that talks about money,hoes and cars, then this IS NOT FOR YOU!

lyrics included http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tVck0UQBXY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kTSuPWfyOk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8uiKX0OXHs