The Death Penalty Debate, do you support the Death Penalty

To sentence someone to death is the best way to prevent recidivism. There have been countless incidents where inmates killed other inmates or correctional officers while in prison. Some inmates even escape from prison. For the most part prison is hell, however, they do get fed everyday, free medicare, free time in the gym or yard, and they get other privileges such as TV for good behavior. America has the highest prison population in the world and it's tax payers paying billions of dollars to house them. Many are violent felons doing life behind bars.

I support the death penalty 100%. I believe if you intentionally take someone's life you deserve to be executed after 1 appeal post conviction. In NY there has been cases where a serial killer would rape, lock away, torture, and kill women, just to get life in prison. Other cases in NYC include home invaders kidnapping babies then holding them for a 1 million dollar ransom. NYC is almost like a haven for heartless criminals.....law abiding citizens can't own guns and there's no death penalty.Now I understand sometimes criminals get wrongfully convicted, however, if they're are absolutely sure he or she did the crime should they get the death penalty?

we need public executions again. we would have less crime..start killing the idiots..stop wasting my tax dollars keeping them alive..

I've seen no evidence that it offers any advantages over lifetime imprisonment to compensate for its relatively higher level of cost and the possibility of unjust execution.

we need public executions again. we would have less crime..start killing the idiots..stop wasting my tax dollars keeping them alive..

VanDammFan

Actually crime in general has been decreasing and the death penalty is actually costing more due to the Appeals process. Not only that, there have been cases where those who were originally guilty were found innocent later on.

To answer the question, no.

state sanctioned premeditated first degree killing of its citizens against their will is a horrible act, it's opposite to what the justice/correctional system is about, and it's contradictory morally in the sense that when you plan out a killing to teach killing is wrong, that's when you lose the power to claim premeditated killing is wrong. Death Penalty will eventually be wiped out and will forever remain a dark page in human history.

The day we collectively look at this act with disgust will be a glorious day.

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we need public executions again. we would have less crime..start killing the idiots..stop wasting my tax dollars keeping them alive..

leviathan91

Actually crime in general has been decreasing and the death penalty is actually costing more due to the Appeals process. Not only that, there have been cases where those who were originally guilty were found innocent later on.

To answer the question, no.

For those going out shooting and killing..they are guilty..kill them. I dont want them on my earth. For those in prison that have done the same..kill them..for those that we have questions about,..treat fairly..an eye for an eye is how i look at it..

"death penalty" is a glorified excuse for this horrible act, I refuse to use the term whenever I can.

Yup. Public executions need to happen more. Only in the more extreme/for sure cases though. The Dark Knight mass murderer needs a bullet in the head.

I'm torn on this issue. At one hand I believe whoever commits heinous crimes should pay for them and justice must be served for the victims' families. On the other hand I find the idea of an organized and legal, judicial killing to be repulsive and inhumane. One thing I want to ask is why is it said over and over that death penalty is expensive? GazaAli

The appeals they go through rakes up the money in court costs, lawyer costs, etc.

I remember a few years back it was like 14.1 million on average.

Nope. Too expensive Ace6301

Not everywhere's like America.

I'm all for it,though I personally think their have to be DNA evidence for it to happen though.

I think we should have death penalty for heavy recidivist offenders, similar to the three strikes rule.

I feel our justice system should be like this:

Commit a crime:

- Death?/Crime against children? = Heavy sentence (few years), forced labor, therapy, etc, get out, mandatory continued therapy for a long while.

- No death? = Light sentence (few months to few years), forced labor, therapy, etc, get out, mandatory continued therapy for a little while.

Now... Commit another crime:

- Death?/Crime against children? = Death sentence, you die, end.

- No death? = Same as before, warning of consequences to come.

Finally... Commit another crime:

- You die. End of story. You have proven multiple times you can't follow laws, you have refused the aid the state gave you, you continue to be a nuisance to society, then that's it... You are dead and out of society.

No prison sentence should be decades, all it does is waste money taking care of the inmates, inmates should be forced to do menial labor for the state, road construction and/or maintenance, etc. Death penalty at the start should also be an option if the crime is particularly heinous (repeated rapes, repeated killings, etc).

It is simple... You commit a crime you are reprimanded to the benefit of society (labor), you are given help in an attempt to make you stop. You don't stop then you are removed from society. End.

Too expensive, doesn't deter crime, and it's too hard to determine if someone is 100% absolutely guilty.

I think we should have death penalty for heavy recidivist offenders, similar to the three strikes rule.

I feel our justice system should be like this:

Commit a crime:

- Death?/Crime against children? = Heavy sentence (few years), forced labor, therapy, etc, get out, mandatory continued therapy for a long while.

- No death? = Light sentence (few months to few years), forced labor, therapy, etc, get out, mandatory continued therapy for a little while.

Now... Commit another crime:

- Death?/Crime against children? = Death sentence, you die, end.

- No death? = Same as before, warning of consequences to come.

Finally... Commit another crime:

- You die. End of story. You have proven multiple times you can't follow laws, you have refused the aid the state gave you, you continue to be a nuisance to society, then that's it... You are dead and out of society.

No prison sentence should be decades, all it does is waste money taking care of the inmates, inmates should be forced to do menial labor for the state, road construction and/or maintenance, etc. Death penalty at the start should also be an option if the crime is particularly heinous (repeated rapes, repeated killings, etc).

It is simple... You commit a crime you are reprimanded to the benefit of society (labor), you are given help in an attempt to make you stop. You don't stop then you are removed from society. End.

C2N2

Go go gadget slave labor!

And it doesn't save money to kill them, it's actually much cheaper to keep them locked up. That said, we should focus much more on rehabilitation rather than just incarceration.

Too expensive, doesn't deter crime, and it's too hard to determine if someone is 100% absolutely guilty.

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I think we should have death penalty for heavy recidivist offenders, similar to the three strikes rule.

I feel our justice system should be like this:

Commit a crime:

- Death?/Crime against children? = Heavy sentence (few years), forced labor, therapy, etc, get out, mandatory continued therapy for a long while.

- No death? = Light sentence (few months to few years), forced labor, therapy, etc, get out, mandatory continued therapy for a little while.

Now... Commit another crime:

- Death?/Crime against children? = Death sentence, you die, end.

- No death? = Same as before, warning of consequences to come.

Finally... Commit another crime:

- You die. End of story. You have proven multiple times you can't follow laws, you have refused the aid the state gave you, you continue to be a nuisance to society, then that's it... You are dead and out of society.

No prison sentence should be decades, all it does is waste money taking care of the inmates, inmates should be forced to do menial labor for the state, road construction and/or maintenance, etc. Death penalty at the start should also be an option if the crime is particularly heinous (repeated rapes, repeated killings, etc).

It is simple... You commit a crime you are reprimanded to the benefit of society (labor), you are given help in an attempt to make you stop. You don't stop then you are removed from society. End.

Inconsistancy

Go go gadget slave labor!

And it doesn't save money to kill them, it's actually much cheaper to keep them locked up. That said, we should focus much more on rehabilitation rather than just incarceration.

They should be limited in the number of appeals they get, far moreso than now.

And so what? If they don't feel the need to adhere to the laws of a civil society then why not be punished in a way that benefits the society they damaged? Locking them in a compound where they are fed, clothed, provided with leisure activity, and given access to a vast array of other like minded people for decades even is ridiculous and hardly justice.

That cost is the burden of appeals.

They should be limited in the number of appeals they get, far moreso than now.

And so what? If they don't feel the need to adhere to the laws of a civil society then why not be punished in a way that benefits the society they damaged? Locking them in a compound where they are fed, clothed, provided with leisure activity, and given access to a vast array of other like minded people for decades even is ridiculous and hardly justice.

C2N2

I support it, in the extreme cases, and considering the few amounts of executions annually, I never really considered the cost anything substantial.

The truth is, both the death penalty and LWOP are expensive, the former just a little more so than the latter. The trade comes at less prisoners in the jail system.

[QUOTE="C2N2"]That cost is the burden of appeals.

They should be limited in the number of appeals they get, far moreso than now.

And so what? If they don't feel the need to adhere to the laws of a civil society then why not be punished in a way that benefits the society they damaged? Locking them in a compound where they are fed, clothed, provided with leisure activity, and given access to a vast array of other like minded people for decades even is ridiculous and hardly justice.

Inconsistancy

Rehabilitation programs in prisons have been on the rise for a couple of years now.

[QUOTE="C2N2"]That cost is the burden of appeals.

They should be limited in the number of appeals they get, far moreso than now.

And so what? If they don't feel the need to adhere to the laws of a civil society then why not be punished in a way that benefits the society they damaged? Locking them in a compound where they are fed, clothed, provided with leisure activity, and given access to a vast array of other like minded people for decades even is ridiculous and hardly justice.

Inconsistancy

rehabilitate??? if someone took the life of any one of my family members I want this person executed. I'm pretty sure many would agree. For the people who don't agree.....if someone took the life or your mother or father....would you want this killer to just goto college behind bars and get rehabilitated then let out?

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="C2N2"]That cost is the burden of appeals.

They should be limited in the number of appeals they get, far moreso than now.

And so what? If they don't feel the need to adhere to the laws of a civil society then why not be punished in a way that benefits the society they damaged? Locking them in a compound where they are fed, clothed, provided with leisure activity, and given access to a vast array of other like minded people for decades even is ridiculous and hardly justice.

LegitGamer3212

rehabilitate??? if someone took the life of any one of my family members I want this person executed. I'm pretty sure many would agree. For the people who don't agree.....if someone took the life or your mother or father....would you want this killer to just goto college behind bars and get rehabilitated then let out?

People calling for public executions and extremely harsh punishments (cutting off hands, etc) are idiots and have completely forgotten about the 8th Amendment.

afaik, the death penalty is more expensive than keeping someone in prison, so no. also, i hold moral beliefs contrary to the death penalty.

rehabilitate??? if someone took the life of any one of my family members I want this person executed. I'm pretty sure many would agree. For the people who don't agree.....if someone took the life or your mother or father....would you want this killer to just goto college behind bars and get rehabilitated then let out?

LegitGamer3212

Where is it that I said a murderer shouldn't ever receive a life sentence? I'm against the death penalty, not against life sentences (where appropriate).

There are plenty of areas where we just incarcerate people for a century (sometimes literally) for much lesser offenses than murder. Non-violent drug crime especially.

I fully support public executions. Bring back the gallows. We need to start scaring people. We need to scare the f*** out of people. You commit a murder and the evidence is solid. Off with his head and stick it on a spike. Did you rob a store? Wont throw you in jail. We'll chop your hands off. You have to make the consequences so bad that the action is never commited to begin with.

Motokid6

A state void of capital punishment has no validity in its existence, as its laws and ethics are baseless.

I fully support public executions. Bring back the gallows. We need to start scaring people. We need to scare the f*** out of people. You commit a murder and the evidence is solid. Off with his head and stick it on a spike. Did you rob a store? Wont throw you in jail. We'll chop your hands off. You have to make the consequences so bad that the action is never commited to begin with.

Motokid6

thank you ...finally...someone I totally agree with..things have got to change or its going to get worse.AND I cant even imagine that.

I fully support public executions. Bring back the gallows. We need to start scaring people. We need to scare the f*** out of people. You commit a murder and the evidence is solid. Off with his head and stick it on a spike. Did you rob a store? Wont throw you in jail. We'll chop your hands off. You have to make the consequences so bad that the action is never commited to begin with.

Motokid6

Your concept of justice is perverted.

Speeding, going 65mph on a 55 mph road even though everyone else around you is going faster? Car gets towed and your feet gets cut off. Can't go to work to feed your family? Too bad, should have thought about that first.

Bring in a nailfile to school? Conspiracy to assault; immediate expulsion. Just filing your nails? Obviously not.

Throw a snowball? Assault; hands get crippled. You're 13? So what criminal?

Kissed a girl on the cheek? Rape, sexual assault. Your lips get cut off. You're 10 and you liked Susie? No you're a rapist.

You're 18 and making out with a 17 year old? Statuary rape; penis gets chopped off or your boobs get cut off, and/or your vaginia gets closed up. It was consent? Nope you're a child molester.

So where does it end? :| We have the 8th Amendment for a reason so we can protect the individual (and this country as a whole) from cruel and unusual punishments. Also before you say that the stories above me are BS and would never happen, guess what? People have been charged for throwing snowballs and kissing a girl on the cheek and people have been expelled for the most asinine things. You start to mix in your perverted idea of "justice", our society is going to become nothing but a third-world country all because you're worried about us becoming **** You don't even know what that word even means.

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People calling for public executions and extremely harsh punishments (cutting off hands, etc) are idiots and have completely forgotten about the 8th Amendment.

Motokid6

So if someone commits a crude and unusual crime we cant inflict crude and unusual punishments... yea. Thats why this country is f***** and is the way it is. This needs to be fixed. Simple as that. America needs to be de-pussified. And fast.

Yes, I support the death penalty, but it really does need more teeth and to cut down on the costs, reduce the number of appeals. Also change the way they are done, one bullet to the back of the head works really well and doesn't cost much.

No, I don't

Uh.. yea. Lol but y'know with actual crimes. All your examples there have a dark, extreme side which such punishments would be fitting. The punishment needs to outweigh the crime ten fold. When being convicted the person has to be evaluated. Thats what the justice system is for. And thats what seperates us from a 3rd world country for that latter comment. I dont feel like going into details but cruel and unusual punishments fit cruel and unusual crimes. Crimes that criminals commit. Not some horny 18 year old kid who was trying to cop his first feel. But the guy who chases down a mother in an alley, rapes then kills her. That guys looses his junk.

Motokid6

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." Eighth Amendment

Also, with your last point, wouldn't you be pushing for the death penalty, since he 'killed' the woman?

[QUOTE="Motokid6"]

Uh.. yea. Lol but y'know with actual crimes. All your examples there have a dark, extreme side which such punishments would be fitting. The punishment needs to outweigh the crime ten fold. When being convicted the person has to be evaluated. Thats what the justice system is for. And thats what seperates us from a 3rd world country for that latter comment. I dont feel like going into details but cruel and unusual punishments fit cruel and unusual crimes. Crimes that criminals commit. Not some horny 18 year old kid who was trying to cop his first feel. But the guy who chases down a mother in an alley, rapes then kills her. That guys looses his junk.

Inconsistancy

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." Eighth Amendment

Also, with your last point, wouldn't you be pushing for the death penalty, since he 'killed' the woman?

Lately my point of view on the death penalty has been shifting towards the "do not support" side.