The Death Penalty Debate, do you support the Death Penalty

[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]

Lately my point of view on the death penalty has been shifting towards the "do not support" side.

Motokid6

... are you aware of whats been going on in the US as of late? i was against the death penalty until around the time of the VT shooting. I have very close family that goes there and was almost in the middle of the whole thing. And now over 20 kids are dead in CT. ... now harsh punishments are pointless because these shooters take their own lives, but.. no. All this crap going on... zero tolerance now. Zero..

I am fully aware what just occured in Newtown, CT and what occured earlier this year in the Aurora, CO movie theater and the Sikh temple in Wisconsin. You have every right to be in favor of the death penalty and I won't try to persuade you. Lately I just happen to be leaning towards not supporting it.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="Motokid6"]

I fully support public executions. Bring back the gallows. We need to start scaring people. We need to scare the f*** out of people. You commit a murder and the evidence is solid. Off with his head and stick it on a spike. Did you rob a store? Wont throw you in jail. We'll chop your hands off. You have to make the consequences so bad that the action is never commited to begin with.

Motokid6

Your concept of justice is perverted.

Speeding, going 65mph on a 55 mph road even though everyone else around you is going faster? Car gets towed and your feet gets cut off. Can't go to work to feed your family? Too bad, should have thought about that first.

Bring in a nailfile to school? Conspiracy to assault; immediate expulsion. Just filing your nails? Obviously not.

Throw a snowball? Assault; hands get crippled. You're 13? So what criminal?

Kissed a girl on the cheek? Rape, sexual assault. Your lips get cut off. You're 10 and you liked Susie? No you're a rapist.

You're 18 and making out with a 17 year old? Statuary rape; penis gets chopped off or your boobs get cut off, and/or your vaginia gets closed up. It was consent? Nope you're a child molester.

So where does it end? :| We have the 8th Amendment for a reason so we can protect the individual (and this country as a whole) from cruel and unusual punishments. Also before you say that the stories above me are BS and would never happen, guess what? People have been charged for throwing snowballs and kissing a girl on the cheek and people have been expelled for the most asinine things. You start to mix in your perverted idea of "justice", our society is going to become nothing but a third-world country all because you're worried about us becoming **** You don't even know what that word even means.

Uh.. yea. Lol but y'know with actual crimes. All your examples there have a dark, extreme side which such punishments would be fitting. The punishment needs to outweigh the crime ten fold. When being convicted the person has to be evaluated. Thats what the justice system is for. And thats what seperates us from a 3rd world country for that latter comment. I dont feel like going into details but cruel and unusual punishments fit cruel and unusual crimes. Crimes that criminals commit. Not some horny 18 year old kid who was trying to cop his first feel. But the guy who chases down a mother in an alley, rapes then kills her. That guys looses his junk.

Those are actual crimes and some of those actions can be considered a criminal act. Yes it happens due to overzealous idiots, whether they're lawyers, parents, teachers, or even cops. We have so many laws that a person can commit a misdemeanor and/or felony without even knowing it and most of the times, those laws are BS.

Also if you really think those punishments are actually fitting for the crime, then something's wrong with you. :|

Again, 8th Amendment, cruel and unusual punishments don't work, stop living in the Stone age. Also crime has been dropping without the use of cruel and unusual punishments. If you want a justice system built on vengeance, head to Pakistan.

[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]

Lately my point of view on the death penalty has been shifting towards the "do not support" side.

Motokid6

... are you aware of whats been going on in the US as of late? i was against the death penalty until around the time of the VT shooting. I have very close family that goes there and was almost in the middle of the whole thing. And now over 20 kids are dead in CT. ... now harsh punishments are pointless because these shooters take their own lives, but.. no. All this crap going on... zero tolerance now. Zero..

[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]

Lately my point of view on the death penalty has been shifting towards the "do not support" side.

Motokid6

... are you aware of whats been going on in the US as of late? i was against the death penalty until around the time of the VT shooting. I have very close family that goes there and was almost in the middle of the whole thing. And now over 20 kids are dead in CT. ... now harsh punishments are pointless because these shooters take their own lives, but.. no. All this crap going on... zero tolerance now. Zero..

No, I don't. Too expensive and murdering people for revenge isn't justice.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

No, I don't. Too expensive and murdering people for revenge isn't justice.

thegerg

No, I don't. Too expensive and murdering people for revenge isn't justice.

Aljosa23

So..killing someone takes more money then letting them sit in jail getting free food,tv,music,schooling,ect?..strange

Capital punishment is not an unlawful killing.thegerg

Uh, no. Capital punishment is not an unlawful killing. Nice try, but no.thegerg

Nope, it's a waste of time and money

Capital punishment is the legal process by which one is put to death by the state. thegerg

I see no logical reason to support it and see countless valid arguments against it, so no.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="thegerg"]Capital punishment is the legal process by which one is put to death by the state. thegerg

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"]Uh, no. Capital punishment is not an unlawful killing. Nice try, but no.thegerg

If a homicide is justifiable it is not murder. A murder is, by definition, an unlawful killing. If a killing is justified (thus, not unlawful) then it can't be murder. You seem to be very confused.thegerg

I do not support it, they've gotten it wrong to many times and there is little evidence that it actually deters crime

I am literate and I am not ignoring your post. How in the world can one be convicted of murder if the killing was justified (as you are saying)?

A murder is, fundamentally, an unlawful killing. If a killing is lawfully justified then it can't, by definition, be murder.

It's quite clear at this point that you don't know the meaning of the words which you are using.

thegerg

The original post: "Justifiable homicide is not murder. You seem to be very confused. Murder is, by definition, an unlawful killing."

Just because it's justifiable doesn't mean you get off scott free. You know there's different levels of murder right? Justifiable can still be unlawful, hence the second degree or manslaughter charge. *sigh*

Not so much anymore. The American death penalty system is so drawn out that its completely broken. Its actually cheaper to simply keep people locked up for their entire lives.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

I am literate and I am not ignoring your post. How in the world can one be convicted of murder if the killing was justified (as you are saying)?

A murder is, fundamentally, an unlawful killing. If a killing is lawfully justified then it can't, by definition, be murder.

It's quite clear at this point that you don't know the meaning of the words which you are using.

thegerg

The original post: "Justifiable homicide is not murder. You seem to be very confused. Murder is, by definition, an unlawful killing."

Just because it's justifiable doesn't mean you get off scott free. You know there's different levels of murder right? Justifiable can still be unlawful, hence the second degree or manslaughter charge. *sigh*

I'm curious but how do you feel about self defense if the assaliant ends up getting killed? Say a person kils another in self-defense?

No, mainly because say if someone murders a family I want them to rot in prison.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] If it's unlawful then it's not justifiable. If it's justifiable then it's not unlawful. 2nd degree murder is not justifiable homicide. It is still an unlawful killing. Look it up. Manslaughter isn't murder at all, dummy. thegerg

I'm curious but how do you feel about self defense if the assaliant ends up getting killed? Say a person kils another in self-defense?

Curiosity kills the cat. Curiosity should get the death penalty...

Nope. Too expensive and it kills innocents. You can't solve both without resorting to practices that aren't befitting of a half way decent country. On top of that no case is 100% certain. Ace6301

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Iszdope

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