The Decline of Manliness in Contemporary Society

Has anyone else noticed a loss of manliness over the course of the past hundred years or so? It seems like men are slowly becoming more and more like women. Men are starting to think it's acceptable to show their emotions and be open, more like girls than men. Don't get me wrong, sometimes this can be a good thing and can lead to more successful relationships and to accepting other people for who they are. However it can also be done too much, to the point where it becomes pathetic, liberal, weak, and general failures of society. It can also lead to ruining relationships, since while many girls claim to want a really sensitive guy, they also want a strong man with a mysterious dark side to him. Please tell me that I'm not the only person here who noticed this. Also, what do you suggest we do about it? And last but not least, do you think that the loss of manliness is more good than bad or more bad than good?

They call me metrosexual sometimes. I prefere lookind somewhat feminine than masculine. Because "Hunks" are ugly people. All muscular and soli,. yick.

They metrosexual look is just so much more stylish. And people are realzing this

I haven't noticed this trend.

Plus, there's nothing wrong with a man being sensitive or "not manly".

Good riddance I say!

This thread reminded me of something I wrote a few years ago regarding what happened to the "real men" in society.

Please tell me that I'm not the only person here who noticed this. Also, what do you suggest we do about it? And last but not least, do you think that the loss of manliness is more good than bad or more bad than good?

MotokoKusanagi7

This thread reminded me of something I wrote a few years ago regarding what happened to the "real men" in society.

Hallenbeck77

I don't know about manliness, but I do know that My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is the best thing to happen to TV in years.

But seriously... "manliness" is an overrated relic of the past from when strength was required for survival and sustenance. It's no longer an evolutionarily beneficial trait.

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

This thread reminded me of something I wrote a few years ago regarding what happened to the "real men" in society.

DmadFearmonger

I have noticed more tassles on the weights at the gym....

But they are green and blue. None of that pink crap.

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

This thread reminded me of something I wrote a few years ago regarding what happened to the "real men" in society.

Hallenbeck77

I haven't noticed this trend.

Plus, there's nothing wrong with a man being sensitive or "not manly".

DaBlastaMasta

Has anyone else noticed a loss of manliness over the course of the past hundred years or so? It seems like men are slowly becoming more and more like women. Men are starting to think it's acceptable to show their emotions and be open, more like girls than men. Don't get me wrong, sometimes this can be a good thing and can lead to more successful relationships and to accepting other people for who they are. However it can also be done too much, to the point where it becomes pathetic, liberal, weak, and general failures of society. It can also lead to ruining relationships, since while many girls claim to want a really sensitive guy, they also want a strong man with a mysterious dark side to him. Please tell me that I'm not the only person here who noticed this. Also, what do you suggest we do about it? And last but not least, do you think that the loss of manliness is more good than bad or more bad than good?

MotokoKusanagi7

I think women are becoming more like men, actually, so it makes things less distinct.

But as for manliness, no, I dont think men are less manly. Though the men in 10-20 years sure will be, kids these days are being raised to be weak...

I say "**** all established gender roles and standards. **** it all"

Wow, nice topic, really fitting for what i have been thinking lately. I have notice that masculinity goes unoticed by even really good looking women. They also seem to give effeminate guys more attention, and seem to talk to them far more. No wonder men dont care, it doesnt get them anywhere with the hot chicks. as far as I have observed. I noticed at my work the woman who is pretty tends to be more talkative towards less masculine men. I definately see how women tend to give positive reinforcement to men who express emotions like women, and almost like a slap in the face to masculine men. Honestly, men should not have to be like women to get women to be more attentive towards males. I have been wondering if masculinity is secretly looked down on by women. Whatever, I am masculine because of my virtue, not to conform to women's subjective thinking.

edit: I think a lot of it is due to women relate to masculine differently, also work has the disadvantage that the only real thing you can do is "talk." Also many masculine jobs.. you know, are crap for socialising. So the jobs I have are more about socialise and dont really give masculine men the chance to shine much.

Wow, nice topic, really fitting for what i have been thinking lately. I have notice that masculinity goes unoticed by even really good looking women. They also seem to give effeminate guys more attention, and seem to talk to them far more. No wonder men dont care, it doesnt get them anywhere with the hot chicks. as far as I have observed. I noticed at my work the woman who is pretty tends to be more talkative towards less masculine men. I definately see how women tend to give positive reinforcement to men who express emotions like women, and almost like a slap in the face to masculine men. Honestly, men should not have to be like women to get women to be more attentive towards males. I have been wondering if masculinity is secretly looked down on by women. Whatever, I am masculine because of my virtue, not to conform to women's subjective thinking.

mahlasor

But what's the point if you're not getting girls:P

:cry: you are right! Well I guess I dont mean like absolutely no chance, it just seems that I as a masculine person, have to really work harder to get the same attention that effeminate men get. I got a little secret, but it is probably going to make people think I am a jerk XD It is trickey, but if pulled off correctly, women will form a more emotional connection. Two theories is that women relate to effeminate men like a girlfriend, someone they can talk to a lot about random stuff. The second theory is that when they are around someone they are attracted to, they probably less likely to express it so they dont make it too obvious. Like when I am around super hot chicks, I think I sort of ignore them myself, around less good looking women, I actually have an easier time talking to them because... I dont care about the outcome, I know strange. But ineffeminate women... where is my gun?:P I think it all depends on the situation on how women interact with masculine/ineffeminate men.

Hey I'm proud to be an unemotional cave man.

And last but not least, do you think that the loss of manliness is more good than bad or more bad than good?

MotokoKusanagi7

Western society is better off than it was 100 years ago. I have no idea if this is because of perceived or real shifts in concept of masculinity, but it does sort of say that holding sacred concepts of masculinity is irrevelant to a better society.

Because, after all, if you want to see classic masculine stereotypes, you'll find them in some of the most hellish societies imaginable in past and present.

Don't worry, I'm manly enough for all of contemporary society.

I know and it disgust me. I actually enjoy the view of being "manly". It is a strong view which I believe people these days need. I see nothing wrong with it at all. If you see something wrong with being chilvarious(when needed), head of the household, and strong enough to take the lead and protect your family. Then I strongly dislike you...a lot. You are weak to me.MgamerBD

Women are just as capable in the modern world of being strong and being heads of households. The days when physical strength dictated one's ability to provide for one's family are over.

I feel like the last man left sometimes. :o

I know and it disgust me. I actually enjoy the view of being "manly". It is a strong view which I believe people these days need. I see nothing wrong with it at all. If you see something wrong with being chilvarious(when needed), head of the household, and strong enough to take the lead and protect your family. Then I strongly dislike you...a lot. You are weak to me.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know and it disgust me. I actually enjoy the view of being "manly". It is a strong view which I believe people these days need. I see nothing wrong with it at all. If you see something wrong with being chilvarious(when needed), head of the household, and strong enough to take the lead and protect your family. Then I strongly dislike you...a lot. You are weak to me.GabuEx

Women are just as capable in the modern world of being strong and being heads of households. The days when physical strength dictated one's ability to provide for one's family are over.

Has anyone else noticed a loss of manliness over the course of the past hundred years or so? It seems like men are slowly becoming more and more like women. Men are starting to think it's acceptable to show their emotions and be open, more like girls than men. Don't get me wrong, sometimes this can be a good thing and can lead to more successful relationships and to accepting other people for who they are. However it can also be done too much, to the point where it becomes pathetic, liberal, weak, and general failures of society. It can also lead to ruining relationships, since while many girls claim to want a really sensitive guy, they also want a strong man with a mysterious dark side to him. Please tell me that I'm not the only person here who noticed this. Also, what do you suggest we do about it? And last but not least, do you think that the loss of manliness is more good than bad or more bad than good?

MotokoKusanagi7

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know and it disgust me. I actually enjoy the view of being "manly". It is a strong view which I believe people these days need. I see nothing wrong with it at all. If you see something wrong with being chilvarious(when needed), head of the household, and strong enough to take the lead and protect your family. Then I strongly dislike you...a lot. You are weak to me.GabuEx

Women are just as capable in the modern world of being strong and being heads of households. The days when physical strength dictated one's ability to provide for one's family are over.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know and it disgust me. I actually enjoy the view of being "manly". It is a strong view which I believe people these days need. I see nothing wrong with it at all. If you see something wrong with being chilvarious(when needed), head of the household, and strong enough to take the lead and protect your family. Then I strongly dislike you...a lot. You are weak to me.Danm_999

I know and it disgust me. I actually enjoy the view of being "manly". It is a strong view which I believe people these days need. I see nothing wrong with it at all. If you see something wrong with being chilvarious(when needed), head of the household, and strong enough to take the lead and protect your family. Then I strongly dislike you...a lot. You are weak to me.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know and it disgust me. I actually enjoy the view of being "manly". It is a strong view which I believe people these days need. I see nothing wrong with it at all. If you see something wrong with being chilvarious(when needed), head of the household, and strong enough to take the lead and protect your family. Then I strongly dislike you...a lot. You are weak to me.MgamerBD

I hear "manliness" and translate it to "obnoxiousness" (I say that because go ahead and try to punch me through the internet, I ain't afraid of you¹).

But then I'd also say it really hasn't declined that much anyway, or that the definition of manliness isn't set in stone, or that it's an outdated concept, etc.

¹oh god please don't hit me I'm frail

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know and it disgust me. I actually enjoy the view of being "manly". It is a strong view which I believe people these days need. I see nothing wrong with it at all. If you see something wrong with being chilvarious(when needed), head of the household, and strong enough to take the lead and protect your family. Then I strongly dislike you...a lot. You are weak to me.GabuEx

Women are just as capable in the modern world of being strong and being heads of households. The days when physical strength dictated one's ability to provide for one's family are over.

and, I might add, manliness has become sort of a luxury in this day now lol.

so while it is far from necessary, if you do have a manly scent and are physically capable and handy, it tends to be a perk :P

I hear "manliness" and translate it to "obnoxiousness" (I say that because go ahead and try to punch me through the internet, I ain't afraid of you¹).

But then I'd also say it really hasn't declined that much anyway, or that the definition of manliness isn't set in stone, or that it's an outdated concept, etc.

HerbieCucumber

"manliness" to anyone under 24 years old usually translate to obnoxious boys-trying-to-be-manly-and-failing, in my experience, i.e. "fratboys"

"manliness" to anyone under 24 years old usually translate to obnoxious boys-trying-to-be-manly-and-failing, in my experience, i.e. "fratboys"

mrbojangles25

I don't know about manliness, but I do know that My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is the best thing to happen to TV in years.

But seriously... "manliness" is an overrated relic of the past from when strength was required for survival and sustenance. It's no longer an evolutionarily beneficial trait.

GabuEx

But seriously... "manliness" is an overrated relic of the past from when strength was required for survival and sustenance. It's no longer an evolutionarily beneficial trait.

GabuEx

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I know and it disgust me. I actually enjoy the view of being "manly". It is a strong view which I believe people these days need. I see nothing wrong with it at all. If you see something wrong with being chilvarious(when needed), head of the household, and strong enough to take the lead and protect your family. Then I strongly dislike you...a lot. You are weak to me.MgamerBD

Women are just as capable in the modern world of being strong and being heads of households. The days when physical strength dictated one's ability to provide for one's family are over.

It wasn't very long ago that men absolutely were better capable of leading and providing for their family than women. As such, it's entirely reasonable that many people still exist who believe that that's the way things ought to be, as there are both ample cultural and genetic remnants of that time left in the world today. Admitting that it's true that women are just as capable as men in the modern world is the first step to getting past that. :P

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I don't know about manliness, but I do know that My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is the best thing to happen to TV in years.

But seriously... "manliness" is an overrated relic of the past from when strength was required for survival and sustenance. It's no longer an evolutionarily beneficial trait.

Tylendal

*brohoof*

I haven't noticed anything like that, because pretty much every guy I'm around is just like what you described as "manly".

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