The Drug War has to stop NOW!

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] There is some truth to that, however if the education was better I don't think as many people would move on to harder drugs. DARE puts all drugs in the same category, when it is simply not the case. Psychedelic drugs aren't nearly as harmful as coke or heroin, and that is something that I feel should be taught. Eventually kids learn that pot isn't that bad, but since DARE didn't differentiate the soft drugs from the harder ones they move on to coke.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] There is some truth to that, however if the education was better I don't think as many people would move on to harder drugs. DARE puts all drugs in the same category, when it is simply not the case. Psychedelic drugs aren't nearly as harmful as coke or heroin, and that is something that I feel should be taught. Eventually kids learn that pot isn't that bad, but since DARE didn't differentiate the soft drugs from the harder ones they move on to coke.SeanDog123

PEOPLE!

all this talk of the impact of drugs on soceity you forget medications are drugs and we experiement with medication mixtures as if the consumer base was a testing lab.

watch Frontline eposide called'The medicated child'

SEANMCAD

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Here's why I don't agree. Marijuana is currently illegal. Yet some people try it. Why? For the high. The consequences do not deter them. Marijuana does have some repurcussions for people. I'm not telling anyone they can't make their own choice...because obviously they can and will. But don't soft sell the negative impact any drug can have. Saying something "isn't that bad" means it's anything but good. And with marijuana it does depend on the individual. Some do drop out of life and become a concern for society. If society has to provide ANY source of support for individuals...then society has a right to set limits on acceptable behavior.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] By that logic there would be alcohol cartels.SeanDog123

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Cars have the potential to end lives, so is drivers ed soft selling the negative impact of cars? You said it yourself, people will do drugs no matter what, and they have since the beginning of human history. Most drop outs would be drop outs regardless of the drugs they have taken. Despite popular belief most drug users aren't struggling and don't have a problem, just look at the massive number of casual drinkers.SeanDog123

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Legalizing them just makes them legal, won't help the problem revolving around Drug Cartels etc...Probably escalate the violence because their revenue would increase. Snipes_2

There never were Alcohol Cartels :/

Are you talking about the Mob and Prohibition? IF so, Those were obliterated by Law enforcement.

They also still existed after Prohibition ended, it was the Mob trying to make some money.

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] There never were Alcohol Cartels :/ There always was and always will be Drug Cartels though. Snipes_2

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] There never were Alcohol Cartels :/ There always was and always will be Drug Cartels though. Snipes_2

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] why do people always end up comparing drugs to alcohol?..Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Because alcohol is a hard drug.

SeanDog123

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]So...alcohol is as bad as Meth?...Really now...?Xx_Hopeless_xX

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] No, but it is still a hard drug, just look at the numbers for alcohol related deaths. An alcoholic is no different from any other type of drug addict, the only difference is that one is legal.wstfld

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]So...alcohol is as bad as Meth?...Really now...?Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]Hooray, psychosis-inducing drugs for everyone!Brainkiller05

I need to get one. Also, lol sig.

[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Alcohol in moderation does not create addiction...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I've dabbled in pretty much everything over the years and haven't been hooked by anything except alcohol.

Cars have the potential to end lives, so is drivers ed soft selling the negative impact of cars? You said it yourself, people will do drugs no matter what, and they have since the beginning of human history. Most drop outs would be drop outs regardless of the drugs they have taken. Despite popular belief most drug users aren't struggling and don't have a problem, just look at the massive number of casual drinkers.SeanDog123

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] No, but it is still a hard drug, just look at the numbers for alcohol related deaths. An alcoholic is no different from any other type of drug addict, the only difference is that one is legal.wstfld

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="wstfld"] Neither does any other drug. wstfld

I've dabbled in pretty much everything over the years and haven't been hooked by anything except alcohol.

That is your own personal experience however. Even then, what about the majority of people that have used addictive drugs? Why are there addicts out there if drugs aren't addictive?

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] No, but it is still a hard drug, just look at the numbers for alcohol related deaths. An alcoholic is no different from any other type of drug addict, the only difference is that one is legal.SeanDog123

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="wstfld"] Neither does any other drug. wstfld

I've dabbled in pretty much everything over the years and haven't been hooked by anything except alcohol.

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Well that's just false, what do you call the gangsters of the twenties, heard of Al Capone? wstfld

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] By that logic there would be alcohol cartels.SeanDog123

There never were Alcohol Cartels :/

Are you talking about the Mob and Prohibition? IF so, Those were obliterated by Law enforcement.

They also still existed after Prohibition ended, it was the Mob trying to make some money.

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]Cars have the potential to end lives, so is drivers ed soft selling the negative impact of cars? You said it yourself, people will do drugs no matter what, and they have since the beginning of human history. Most drop outs would be drop outs regardless of the drugs they have taken. Despite popular belief most drug users aren't struggling and don't have a problem, just look at the massive number of casual drinkers.LJS9502_basic

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There never were Alcohol Cartels :/

Are you talking about the Mob and Prohibition? IF so, Those were obliterated by Law enforcement.

They also still existed after Prohibition ended, it was the Mob trying to make some money.

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Alcohol in moderation does not create addiction...

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] I didn't say that, alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs. Just because it can be safely used in moderation doesn't change that fact.SeanDog123

[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Alcohol in moderation does not create addiction...

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Proof of that would get me banned but I agree with him.

[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Read the Edit. Al Capone Died in Prison so...He was caught. I don't really get the Comparison.

Snipes_2

Who cares if they're stronger? I'm worried about crime happening in America. If drugs were legal, there would be no need for any type of criminal distribution network throughout this country. An illegal distribution network cannot compete with a legal commercial enterprise distributing the same product. When alcohol prohibition ended, so did the organizations that were distributing booze because legal liquor outlets became available again (not due to Eliot Ness). When there is a demand for an illegal product, a black market opens to distribute that illegal product because legal means of distribution are unavailable. When legal means become available, that black market will shrink or disappear. If we legalized drug distribution ("Drug Stores" I guess), the urban gang network involved in distributing drugs would not be able to compete with the legal "Drug Stores". Crime associated with drug distribution would go down, just as crime associated with booze distribution all but disappeared when the 18th Amendment was repealed.

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] drugs give way to..Neurological Dangers..Respiratory Dangers..Psychological Dangers...Pregnancy Complications...alcohol when consumed in heavy doses can lead to certain issues in regards to these as well but not as severe.. Neurological Dangers # Alcohol can put you at risk for neurological problems such as impaired vision, hindered motor coordination and blackouts. Drugs affect each person differently but those that can cause neurological problems include gamma hydroxybutyrate(GHB), methamphetamine, rohypnol and cocaine. Respiratory Dangers Psychological Dangers Alcohol can cause psychological dangers such as the inability to concentrate, impaired speech and impaired judgment. Alcohol can also disrupt relationships with anyone you know as it alters your abilities in every aspect. Drugs also can cause psychological harm, including paranoia, confusion, insomnia, depression, forgetfulness, and a change in appetite. Pregnancy Complications Drugs taken during pregnancy travel across the placenta to the fetus. Drugs can cause abnormalities of the fetus, underweight or underdeveloped babies, preterm labor and delivery, and even death of the fetus. Heavy drinking of alcohol during pregnancy can lead to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS), which can cause birth defects, decrease or slow fetal growth, alter the size of the baby's head, and affect the baby's development intellectually and behaviorally after birth.Xx_Hopeless_xX

You forgot to mention it has cost $1 trillion dollars already. And hasn't done anything except put a few potheads in jail for an exorbitant amount of time. I don't doubt violent crime associated with the illegal drug market has risen since the beginning of this "war" and the market has most undoubtedly grown.

You forgot to mention it has cost $1 trillion dollars already. And hasn't done anything except put a few potheads in jail for an exorbitant amount of time. I don't doubt violent crime associated with the illegal drug market has risen since the beginning of this "war" and the market has most undoubtedly grown.

foxhound_fox

I've arrested a lot of people for possession of things other than marijuana. So your first point is so amazingly false it almost blows my mind. Don't speak of things you know nothing about.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Are you kidding me? Do you know how many people drink too much and die every year, or drive drunk and kill themselves and others? Marijuana hasn't killed anyone. Try telling an alcoholic who is going through withdrawal that it isn't a hard drug...

SeanDog123

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You forgot to mention it has cost $1 trillion dollars already. And hasn't done anything except put a few potheads in jail for an exorbitant amount of time. I don't doubt violent crime associated with the illegal drug market has risen since the beginning of this "war" and the market has most undoubtedly grown.

airshocker

I've arrested a lot of people for possession of things other than marijuana. So your first point is so amazingly false it almost blows my mind. Don't speak of things you know nothing about.

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]Hooray, psychosis-inducing drugs for everyone!Brainkiller05

Yes, he actually thinks no one but literally a handful of potheads go to jail for drugs. You sure showed him. wstfld

If you're going to cheapen what law enforcement actually does, I absolutely will point it out. Don't make absurd statements and I won't need to say anything.

[QUOTE="wstfld"]Yes, he actually thinks no one but literally a handful of potheads go to jail for drugs. You sure showed him. airshocker

If you're going to cheapen what law enforcement actually does, I absolutely will point it out. Don't make absurd statements and I won't need to say anything.

No one was targeting law enforcement.. The War on Drug's intitive is a bottomless pit of money.. It has not curbed drugs.. And lastly it has given absurd sentences for drug possession at times. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walter-cronkite/telling-the-truth-about-t_b_16605.html

Which has helped overflow prisons with non violent drug offenders who often times serve more time then the violent offenders.

Well for one, I'm for decriminalization of hard drugs, and legalization of marijuana and other psychedelics. I don't think any drug user should be considered a criminal. Decriminalization would cut costs, while curbing use with hefty fines for possession. Also you say that a drug must be medically prescribed to be advantageous, why is that? Prescription drugs are abused by many, and we have all heard the long lists of insane side effects. SeanDog123

You forgot to mention it has cost $1 trillion dollars already. And hasn't done anything except put a few potheads in jail for an exorbitant amount of time. I don't doubt violent crime associated with the illegal drug market has risen since the beginning of this "war" and the market has most undoubtedly grown.

foxhound_fox

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PEOPLE!

all this talk of the impact of drugs on soceity you forget medications are drugs and we experiement with medication mixtures as if the consumer base was a testing lab.

watch Frontline eposide called'The medicated child'

Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

PEOPLE!

all this talk of the impact of drugs on soceity you forget medications are drugs and we experiement with medication mixtures as if the consumer base was a testing lab.

watch Frontline eposide called'The medicated child'

DabsTight703

No one was targeting law enforcement.. The War on Drug's intitive is a bottomless pit of money.. It has not curbed drugs.. And lastly it has given absurd sentences for drug possession at times. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walter-cronkite/telling-the-truth-about-t_b_16605.html

Which has helped overflow prisons with non violent drug offenders who often times serve more time then the violent offenders.

sSubZerOo

He did. I don't care what his reasons were, or what your opinions are on the war on drugs. You cheapen what I and many others do every day by making ridiculous statements and I will say something.

The fact that you think the drug trade only effects the users makes me laugh.

marijuana should definitely be legal, it is no worse than alcohol. the harder drugs like coke, ecstasy and meth should probably stay illegal.