The enemy of communism: Human nature.

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

MayorJohnny

You don't need to be religious to have moral values...

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

MayorJohnny

Capitalism is the way of greed...

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

hojobojo

Capitalism is the way of greed...

And greed is the way of human nature therefore capitalism is the way of logic.

Yes at its core communism is awesome but the leaders of communism make it very crappy. Power corupts.SunofVich

If its human nature why doesn't the communist countries leaders step down for a democratic society?Napster06

[QUOTE="hojobojo"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

domatron23

Capitalism is the way of greed...

And greed is the way of human nature therefore capitalism is the way of logic.

[QUOTE="Napster06"]If its human nature why doesn't the communist countries leaders step down for a democratic society?TheFlush

China is flourishing surprisingly.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"][QUOTE="Napster06"]If its human nature why doesn't the communist countries leaders step down for a democratic society?Napster06

China is flourishing surprisingly.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"][QUOTE="Napster06"]If its human nature why doesn't the communist countries leaders step down for a democratic society?Napster06

China is flourishing surprisingly.

In my honest opinion, I don't think any kind of government will ever work.

The kind that the U.S. has, regardless of their intentions, are only dehumanizing their citizens and backing them into a corner. I wouldn't be one to call myself an Anarchist but I truly dont believe in established governing. In fact I dont believe in governing ANYONE but yourself.

To govern means completely understanding the people you're governing and these "leaders" surely aren't doing so. The core values may be inherently good, but the methods and corruption are eating any 'morals' that hold the idea together.

Capitalism is another term for intricate and intentional greed.

Those who control this country, do so with their bank accounts. This doesn't mean that they're all bankers, doesn't mean they're all politicians, it only means that the only thing that speaks for them is their money.

If you're making six figures a year (ex. $500,000) and 'Candidate A for President' is telling you that he will make you give less of your money away, the average person would think very short sidedly and decide that they want to keep their money.

Does it matter that he's supporting a system to make our children dumber, or that poorer people are dying on their homeland solely because they have no money to 'pay for their lives'?

Ofcourse not, because this is a consumerist state and 'we the consumer' must protect what we have.

Therefore casting their ballot for Candidate A

This sounds to me like a subtle form of tyranny.

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

MayorJohnny

Quite true that communism is hindered by the human predication towards greed and individualism, but the idealist in me would like to beieve that one day humanity could transcend such notions;) That's precisely what communism is. Utopian idealism. The key to making it work in a realistic capacity is compromise.bman784

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

fanofazrienoch

:lol: Have you actually read "The communist manifesto" or "Das kapital"?

Nope, it's in human nature to help each other. We're social beeings who has been able to survive so long by sharing knowledge and helping each other.

Communisim at its core is a good idea, but human nature prevents it from working, most poeple do not want to be just cogs in the wheel, they want the freedom to express themselves, which a communist society doss not allow for.

Capitalism is basically an evil and unjust system of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, but it is the only one that works to some extent, the drive to earn money keep the economy running, whiles some people benefit and others a burned, its basically how life is; dog eat dog.

Sorry if im just repeating what the OP says( i didn't actually ready most of it), just felt the need to put my 2 cents in :)

I would have to agree with Deathxcore. I would also agree that a real communist state will never exist because of human nature. People are greedy and that is never going to change.ElectronicMagic

Never say never.

To the TC I hope that one day there would be a global commuinst society and I also embrace a lot of Christian ideals. It is quite irnoic that alot religions actually contain the values which are crucial for communism to function. Temeperance, selflessness etc.

Who is to say what human nature is? An individual' environment, upbringing and education no doubt shape their character. And you will notice that Capitalism promotes NONE of the values which are fundamental to the functioning of a commnist society.

"Human Nature" can be re-defined. Currently we are stuck in a hegemonic capitalist society. And so human nature is defined by that system. Human nature in a capitalist context is survival of the fittest, dog eat dog, kill or be killed. But if people began to embrace the essence of communist ideals, that we all have a responsibility to each other, that we are not enemies or competitors but brothers and sisters, then socialism and eventually communism would be willingly embraced democratically. However that shift in "human nature" is currently near-impossible because of the grip of international-capitalism which reinforces "dog eat dog" ideals as human nature and therefore asserts the impossibility of the implementation of genuine communism."

Democracy is logic. Capitalism and democracy aren't necessairly always together.

But yes, stupid and crappy leaders mess it up. One person in charge will ruin a country if he is ignorant or makes bad mistakes- Mao Zedong and then its all over.

most poeple do not want to be just cogs in the wheel, they want the freedom to express themselves, which a communist society doss not allow for.Nemesis4747

Who says so? Even in capitalism we are all "cogs in a machine". A far more corrupt and unjust machine. The only way to escape capitalism is to become completely self-sufficient.

[QUOTE="Nemesis4747"]most poeple do not want to be just cogs in the wheel, they want the freedom to express themselves, which a communist society doss not allow for.bradleybhoy

Who says so? Even in capitalism we are all "cogs in a machine". A far more corrupt and unjust machine. The only way to escape capitalism is to become completely self-sufficient.

its a nice think we could escape it, but we are not mindless ants, there allways gunna be humans that will work against the grain and corrupt the system, no one can be completely self sufficient, we are social by nature and will always have to rely on others to some extent, to survive.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

hojobojo

Capitalism is the way of greed...

and greed seems to work pretty good right? I mean you got yourself a fancy computer

most corporations donate a lot to charity too, so theres no moral dilemma.

the drive to have more money than the next guy = innovation.

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="hojobojo"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

bman784

Capitalism is the way of greed...

And greed is the way of human nature therefore capitalism is the way of logic.

yes it is, human nature developed over time to help survival. Hhuman beings are very adaptable, thus making human nature logical.

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]I would have to agree with Deathxcore. I would also agree that a real communist state will never exist because of human nature. People are greedy and that is never going to change.bradleybhoy

Never say never.

To the TC I hope that one day there would be a global commuinst society and I also embrace a lot of Christian ideals. It is quite irnoic that alot religions actually contain the values which are crucial for communism to function. Temeperance, selflessness etc.

Who is to say what human nature is? An individual' environment, upbringing and education no doubt shape their character. And you will notice that Capitalism promotes NONE of the values which are fundamental to the functioning of a commnist society.

"Human Nature" can be re-defined. Currently we are stuck in a hegemonic capitalist society. And so human nature is defined by that system. Human nature in a capitalist context is survival of the fittest, dog eat dog, kill or be killed. But if people began to embrace the essence of communist ideals, that we all have a responsibility to each other, that we are not enemies or competitors but brothers and sisters, then socialism and eventually communism would be willingly embraced democratically. However that shift in "human nature" is currently near-impossible because of the grip of international-capitalism which reinforces "dog eat dog" ideals as human nature and therefore asserts the impossibility of the implementation of genuine communism."

survival of the fitest isnt human nature? wow dude.

Anyway, I wouldnt say "stuck" in a capitalist system as much as I would say "fit comfortably"

[QUOTE="Nemesis4747"]most poeple do not want to be just cogs in the wheel, they want the freedom to express themselves, which a communist society doss not allow for.bradleybhoy

Who says so? Even in capitalism we are all "cogs in a machine". A far more corrupt and unjust machine. The only way to escape capitalism is to become completely self-sufficient.

THE WHOLE POINT OF CAPITALISM IS TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT.

do you even know what capitalism is? jeez

[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]

[QUOTE="Nemesis4747"]most poeple do not want to be just cogs in the wheel, they want the freedom to express themselves, which a communist society doss not allow for.H8sMikeMoore

Who says so? Even in capitalism we are all "cogs in a machine". A far more corrupt and unjust machine. The only way to escape capitalism is to become completely self-sufficient.

THE WHOLE POINT OF CAPITALISM IS TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT.

do you even know what capitalism is? jeez

Do you even know what the term "self-sufficiency" means.

It means a progressively reduced reliance on society to fufill your needs until you can function without currency.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]

[QUOTE="Nemesis4747"]most poeple do not want to be just cogs in the wheel, they want the freedom to express themselves, which a communist society doss not allow for.bradleybhoy

Who says so? Even in capitalism we are all "cogs in a machine". A far more corrupt and unjust machine. The only way to escape capitalism is to become completely self-sufficient.

THE WHOLE POINT OF CAPITALISM IS TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT.

do you even know what capitalism is? jeez

Do you even know what the term "self-sufficiency" means.

It means a progressively reduced reliance on society to fufill your needs until you can function without currency.

No, it just means you are able to provide for yourself.

Communism will work at the individual business level, and will work quite well in accordance with human nature. Capitalism/competition nationally, communism/cooperation individually. It is communism if the workers in the businesses set the wages and prices, and nobody is treated as the boss.CptJSparrow

that dosent even begin to make sense.

youll have to explain that in further detail.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Communism will work at the individual business level, and will work quite well in accordance with human nature. Capitalism/competition nationally, communism/cooperation individually. It is communism if the workers in the businesses set the wages and prices, and nobody is treated as the boss.H8sMikeMoore

that dosent even begin to make sense.

youll have to explain that in further detail.

[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

jointed

:lol: Have you actually read "The communist manifesto" or "Das kapital"?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Communism will work at the individual business level, and will work quite well in accordance with human nature. Capitalism/competition nationally, communism/cooperation individually. It is communism if the workers in the businesses set the wages and prices, and nobody is treated as the boss.CptJSparrow

that dosent even begin to make sense.

youll have to explain that in further detail.

let me break this down for you real easy.

lets say you became a doctor in this system and you're getting paid the same as the janitor...

are you gonna really care if you cant be a doctor one day? I mean you can make the same money anyway.

This is where capitalism works best. the harder you work, the more you get.

how is the company going to decide the direction in which it goes? you need someone or even a minority of people to decide these things, people who are trained in business. Most people, arent.

Nothing would work, why? Our sinful nature is what prevents anything from working ideally. Communism is corrupt, due the power that the government have, and there's no guarentee that every communist leader is a do-gooder. Ditto with capitalism, there are greedy CEOs that only think about profits and would swindle the common people.

To whoever said that Christianity never embraced Communism, I believe that in the Book of Acts, it was describing a community that's socialist that was governed by the Holy Spirit.

Nothing would work, why? Our sinful nature is what prevents anything from working ideally. Communism is corrupt, due the power that the government have, and there's no guarentee that every communist leader is a do-gooder. Ditto with capitalism, there are greedy CEOs that only think about profits and would swindle the common people.

To whoever said that Christianity never embraced Communism, I believe that in the Book of Acts, it was describing a community that's socialist that was governed by the Holy Spirit.

hiphops_savior

sorry we already have religion threads, go there.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Communism will work at the individual business level, and will work quite well in accordance with human nature. Capitalism/competition nationally, communism/cooperation individually. It is communism if the workers in the businesses set the wages and prices, and nobody is treated as the boss.H8sMikeMoore

that dosent even begin to make sense.

youll have to explain that in further detail.

let me break this down for you real easy.

lets say you became a doctor in this system and you're getting paid the same as the janitor...

are you gonna really care if you cant be a doctor one day? I mean you can make the same money anyway.

This is where capitalism works best. the harder you work, the more you get.

how is the company going to decide the direction in which it goes? you need someone or even a minority of people to decide these things, people who are trained in business. Most people, arent.

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]

Nothing would work, why? Our sinful nature is what prevents anything from working ideally. Communism is corrupt, due the power that the government have, and there's no guarentee that every communist leader is a do-gooder. Ditto with capitalism, there are greedy CEOs that only think about profits and would swindle the common people.

To whoever said that Christianity never embraced Communism, I believe that in the Book of Acts, it was describing a community that's socialist that was governed by the Holy Spirit.

H8sMikeMoore

sorry we already have religion threads, go there.

My bad, but it's just making a point.

To be honest, in the end of the day, the only way for Communism to really work is when we stop shooting at each other, hold hands with everyone around the Globe and sing that John Lennon song.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

The reason communism has failed and will never properly work is because of one thing: Human nature.

I'm speaking of actual communism. A classless society where everything is fair and everyone owns everything. However, the supposedly good intentions for the ideals of communism is unrealistic and illogical. Human nature cannot be suppressed for the benefit of the "collective." A lot of people simply are just too greedy, selfish, and fearful. This is why utopian philosophies are implausible. People desiring equality and fairness turn to the government; the body that seemingly has the resources and man power to regulate and push toward a utopian society. This leads to totalitarianism and dictatorships. Why? Power hungry people exploit the good intentions of the people, and impose a false sense of "equality" by dictating society. Much of it starts with "sticking up for the little guy" rhetoric. Populist speech and appealing to the bitter emotions of people can gain support and sympathy.

So, communism will never succeed like some of you think it could because of immorality. It's funny that many communist or socialiast supporters tend to be non-religious or atheist and seem to shun Christianity. The only way your ideals could work is with distinct moral values. Morality such as in Biblical principles. Heh, and Christians will never embrace communism because of its many flaws and tragic history.

Much of this is based around common sense. I've analyzed this a lot, and it makes sense. No?

Capitalism is the way of logic.

MattUD1

:lol: Have you actually read "The communist manifesto" or "Das kapital"?

You can buy both from Amazon.com...but whatever you do, do NOT buy the Penguin versions, they're horrible.

let me break this down for you real easy.

lets say you became a doctor in this system and you're getting paid the same as the janitor...

are you gonna really care if you cant be a doctor one day? I mean you can make the same money anyway.

This is where capitalism works best. the harder you work, the more you get.

how is the company going to decide the direction in which it goes? you need someone or even a minority of people to decide these things, people who are trained in business. Most people, arent.

H8sMikeMoore

Sparrow's right. If everyone in a group believes in communism, then it can certainly work. But believing in communism means that you are willing to accept that certain people will do more work to acquire necessary expertise and will not expect greater compensation as a result. Most of the people in our society don't believe that. But stick all of those that do together and you'll have a small, successful communist community.

Capitalism doesn't work on the principle of the 'the harder you work, the more you get.' Many of the wealthiest people in capitalist societies work very little, mostly because they have hired other people to hire thousands of other people to work for them. It's like a giant, legal pyramid scheme, though unlike most pyramid schemes, something is produced. But the concept is the same. You don't get rich working hard. You get rich by getting other people to work hard for you. The more people you can convince to work for you, the better off you'll be. It's built entirely around the idea of exploiting people, and is fundamentally not so different from a feudal system, except that the peasants can choose which lord they slave for and don't live quite so poorly (in most cases).

An artist may devote as much time to his or her work as any doctor, but you think they'll be paid the same? And that doctor may devote much more time to his or her work than the owner of a large mega-corporation, but you think they'll be paid the same? So not only is capitalism about how hard you work, it's also about what sort of work you do. If your skills are deemed unvaluable to society, then you're unvaluable... even if you're extremely commited to what you do.

Capitalism is as flawed a system as communism, and the end result is the same. A small group of people holds most of the wealth of a nation and manipulates the system to maintain that status quo. But the tiny chance that they may themselves rise to the wealthy elite placates the population in a capitalism and encourages entrepreneurs. Communism would be the better system for most people, but capitalism is the only system that can be successful, unless the majority is able to overcome one of humanity's most significant vices - greed.