The Idea that you need a High School Diploma to succeed in life is BS!!!

The idea that you need a high schoo diploma in life is pure BS. The only thing that's good with it is to get into a university. Other than that, it's completely useless. Once you get some sort of college degree a high school diploma automatically becomes useless. And even that, not all colleges require a high school diploma. At certain community colleges, you can just start going there, get an Associate's Degree, then transfer to a 4 year university and just get a bacholer's. Once you get a bachelor's, a high school diploma is automatically useless. Your thoughts?

If you don't plan to go to college, or can't afford it monetarily or timewise, than at least you have some degree of education. Even the community college in Trenton needs a HS diploma or GED.

If you don't plan to go to college, or can't afford it monetarily or timewise, than at least you have some degree of education. Even the community college in Trenton needs a HS diploma or GED.

Poedon

That's interesting because the community college I'm attending does not require a high school diploma. What I'm really angry about is the fact that all your life your told that you have to high school diploma to succeed in life, even to go to college. You need it after college. But then I learn the truth and it's a huge slap in the face.

ok.. so you're saying a high school diploma is usless coz once you get into college you'll get a degree there, but you need a high school diploma to get into college in the first place..?

in most cases anyway

I would say it's crucial to development, but not necessarily for the paper. The social interaction with different kinds of people, the mental preparedness it gives you gets you ready for college.but not you don't HAVE to have one, but i would think it makes things a lot easier.

[QUOTE="Poedon"]

If you don't plan to go to college, or can't afford it monetarily or timewise, than at least you have some degree of education. Even the community college in Trenton needs a HS diploma or GED.

jerico6

That's interesting because the community college I'm attending does not require a high school diploma. What I'm really angry about is the fact that all your life your told that you have to high school diploma to succeed in life, even to go to college. You need it after college. But then I learn the truth and it's a huge slap in the face.

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

LJS9502_basic

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

LJS9502_basic

Then explain how I'm able to go to a community college without a high school diploma or GED.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

wemhim

Community college isn't exactly high on the list of great education. And the rules vary.....not all of them accept GED's.

Seeing as you can get into University without even completing VCE then I'm inclined to agree.

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

LJS9502_basic

Community college isn't exactly high on the list of great education. And the rules vary.....not all of them accept GED's.

SOme college are hard to get into with any kind of diploma (UCLA for example is a REALLY hard school to get into).

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

jerico6

Then explain how I'm able to go to a community college without a high school diploma or GED.

Are you measuring success in life as getting into a community college...or in what happens after? As far as employers go...they'll select the candidate with the better education. Now if you're not trying to have a great career...it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="jerico6"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

LJS9502_basic

Then explain how I'm able to go to a community college without a high school diploma or GED.

Are you measuring success in life as getting into a community college...or in what happens after? As far as employers go...they'll select the candidate with the better education. Now if you're not trying to have a great career...it doesn't matter.

In California (where I live), you can finish 60 transferable units of course work and transfer to a unversity like San Diego State or San Franscico state and they won't even bother looking at your high school diploma or whether you have one.

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

LJS9502_basic

Community college isn't exactly high on the list of great education. And the rules vary.....not all of them accept GED's.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

wemhim

Community college isn't exactly high on the list of great education. And the rules vary.....not all of them accept GED's.

At my community college, your allowed to take courses that are at high school level so you can gain the skills necessary to do college work.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Are you measuring success in life as getting into a community college...or in what happens after? As far as employers go...they'll select the candidate with the better education. Now if you're not trying to have a great career...it doesn't matter.

jerico6

In California (where I live), you can finish 60 transferable units of course work and transfer to a unversity like San Diego State or San Franscico state and they won't even bother looking at your high school diploma or whether you have one.

Did you NOT catch the word employer? I've yet to see an employment application that DOESN'T ask if you graduated high school and what college/universities you attended.....GED's don't qualify as graduating.:|

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

jerico6

Community college isn't exactly high on the list of great education. And the rules vary.....not all of them accept GED's.

At my community college, your allowed to take courses that are at high school level so you can gain the skills necessary to do college work.

[QUOTE="jerico6"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Are you measuring success in life as getting into a community college...or in what happens after? As far as employers go...they'll select the candidate with the better education. Now if you're not trying to have a great career...it doesn't matter.

LJS9502_basic

In California (where I live), you can finish 60 transferable units of course work and transfer to a unversity like San Diego State or San Franscico state and they won't even bother looking at your high school diploma or whether you have one.

Did you NOT catch the word employer? I've yet to see an employment application that DOESN'T ask if you graduated high school and what college/universities you attended.....GED's don't qualify as graduating.:|

I did catch the world employer and the employer will not care if you have a high school diploma or not as long as you have a college degree. It's true that if you don't have a college degree a high school diploma has some use but once you have a college degree, it's useless.

Well, you can go to a University after the community college. But that's true. Not all of them accept. I'm not saying I recommend to NOT graduate High School. But you can certainly succeed without doing so, although it will be more difficult, you still have a chance to succeed. Of course, it might take longer, and some smarts too, since you might have not learned all that Junior and Senior High School stuff, so you might need to be prepared, lots of studying.wemhim

Yes...but the smart move is too stay in school and give yourself the better opportunities. In addition, employers prefer graduation. I think he's doing a disservice telling students they don't need to graduate. They do....if they want a better chance in life.

[QUOTE="wemhim"]Well, you can go to a University after the community college. But that's true. Not all of them accept. I'm not saying I recommend to NOT graduate High School. But you can certainly succeed without doing so, although it will be more difficult, you still have a chance to succeed. Of course, it might take longer, and some smarts too, since you might have not learned all that Junior and Senior High School stuff, so you might need to be prepared, lots of studying.LJS9502_basic

Yes...but the smart move is too stay in school and give yourself the better opportunities. In addition, employers prefer graduation. I think he's doing a disservice telling students they don't need to graduate. They do....if they want a better chance in life.

How am I doing a diservice? I'm only stating the truth.

[QUOTE="wemhim"]Well, you can go to a University after the community college. But that's true. Not all of them accept. I'm not saying I recommend to NOT graduate High School. But you can certainly succeed without doing so, although it will be more difficult, you still have a chance to succeed. Of course, it might take longer, and some smarts too, since you might have not learned all that Junior and Senior High School stuff, so you might need to be prepared, lots of studying.LJS9502_basic

Yes...but the smart move is too stay in school and give yourself the better opportunities. In addition, employers prefer graduation. I think he's doing a disservice telling students they don't need to graduate. They do....if they want a better chance in life.

I did catch the world employer and the employer will not care if you have a high school diploma or not as long as you have a college degree. It's true that if you don't have a college degree a high school diploma has some use but once you have a college degree, it's useless.

jerico6

You do realize you are competing in the job market with other candidates. The best candidate is selected....which would mean the better education. Not finishing high school does create a negative impression about the potential prospects...and the majority of employers will pick the one that finished.:|

How am I doing a diservice? I'm only stating the truth.

jerico6

Because it's not the truth.....I know you want it to be...but it's not.

[QUOTE="jerico6"]

I did catch the world employer and the employer will not care if you have a high school diploma or not as long as you have a college degree. It's true that if you don't have a college degree a high school diploma has some use but once you have a college degree, it's useless.

LJS9502_basic

You do realize you are competing in the job market with other candidates. The best candidate is selected....which would mean the better education. Not finishing high school does create a negative impression about the potential prospects...and the majority of employers will pick the one that finished.:|

How so? I use to believe that a high school diploma was important. Then I learned the truth about it and I feel insulted. Even if I were to finish high school I can't reference my crappy high school. I would rather say that I didn't finish high school than state what I high school I went to.

The idea that you need a high schoo diploma in life is pure BS. The only thing that's good with it is to get into a university. Other than that, it's completely useless. Once you get some sort of college degree a high school diploma automatically becomes useless. And even that, not all colleges require a high school diploma. At certain community colleges, you can just start going there, get an Associate's Degree, then transfer to a 4 year university and just get a bacholer's. Once you get a bachelor's, a high school diploma is automatically useless. Your thoughts?

jerico6

[QUOTE="jerico6"]

How am I doing a diservice? I'm only stating the truth.

LJS9502_basic

Because it's not the truth.....I know you want it to be...but it's not.

I want to believe you... but after my experience over the past dealing with lying school board administrators, crappy schools, I just can't. Maybe where you live it's important but here in California, a college degree is prefered.

How so? I use to believe that a high school diploma was important. Then I learned the truth about it and I feel insulted. Even if I were to finish high school I can't reference my crappy high school. I would rather say that I didn't finish high school than state what I high school I went to.

jerico6

Doesn't matter whether you want to reference your high school or not. It's part of you education history that your employer wants to know. As far as HRM goes.....it's important. Had I chosen to go into that aspect of my business degree....I'd be the one doing the hiring.

Now I have two candidates in front of me. One didn't finish high school and then went on to a community college. The other got good grades in high school and went on to an accredited university. All things being equal....I'm not picking the guy with the GED. Just not going to do it.

As I said....that creates a negative impression of the potential employee.

That is how the real world works. You've now limited your marketablilty to employers. You may get a job...and promoted. But you'll start at a disadvantage compared to the guy with the diploma.

Highschool is simply a prequisite to life. It's not even hard. Sure, you CAN go to a community college and all this crap, but highschool is about the experience moreso than the diploma. There's absolutely no reason to limit yourself simply because you're too lazy to attend school.GodLovesDead

No it's not me being lazy. It's me being put in crappy schools and because of the way they handled me, no matter how hard I tried, I got screwed over by red tape.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]Highschool is simply a prequisite to life. It's not even hard. Sure, you CAN go to a community college and all this crap, but highschool is about the experience moreso than the diploma. There's absolutely no reason to limit yourself simply because you're too lazy to attend school.jerico6

No it's not me being lazy. It's me being put in crappy schools and because of the way they handled me, no matter how hard I tried, I got screwed over by red tape.

Now do you see what the impression is? It doesn't matter the reason...it creates a negative impression of potential employees.

[QUOTE="jerico6"]

How so? I use to believe that a high school diploma was important. Then I learned the truth about it and I feel insulted. Even if I were to finish high school I can't reference my crappy high school. I would rather say that I didn't finish high school than state what I high school I went to.

LJS9502_basic

Doesn't matter whether you want to reference your high school or not. It's part of you education history that your employer wants to know. As far as HRM goes.....it's important. Had I chosen to go into that aspect of my business degree....I'd be the one doing the hiring.

Now I have two candidates in front of me. One didn't finish high school and then went on to a community college. The other got good grades in high school and went on to an accredited university. All things being equal....I'm not picking the guy with the GED. Just not going to do it.

As I said....that creates a negative impression of the potential employee.

That is how the real world works. You've now limited your marketablilty to employers. You may get a job...and promoted. But you'll start at a disadvantage compared to the guy with the diploma.

WHile I don't agree with your proposition that you need a high school diploma, you are right about one thing: There are employers who are pretigious enough to require that you have a high school diploma. I know that in California (which I'll be staying for a while) that a high school diploma becomes useless once you get a college degree.

Besides, I don't plan to become a businessman anyway. I would prefer journalism.

[QUOTE="jerico6"]

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]Highschool is simply a prequisite to life. It's not even hard. Sure, you CAN go to a community college and all this crap, but highschool is about the experience moreso than the diploma. There's absolutely no reason to limit yourself simply because you're too lazy to attend school.LJS9502_basic

No it's not me being lazy. It's me being put in crappy schools and because of the way they handled me, no matter how hard I tried, I got screwed over by red tape.

Now do you see what the impression is? It doesn't matter the reason...it creates a negative impression of potential employees.

Why is it that in California that it's not even thought about?

WHile I don't agree with your proposition that you need a high school diploma, you are right about one thing: There are employers who are pretigious enough to require that you have a high school diploma. I know that in California (which I'll be staying for a while) that a high school diploma becomes useless once you get a college degree.

Besides, I don't plan to become a businessman anyway. I would prefer journalism.

jerico6

You're not getting it. It's not about requirements...it's about impression. That includes the journalism field. Now I'm off to work.

You do know you're just trying to justify your decision with this thread? It's not a good idea to quite school. But good luck.

[QUOTE="jerico6"]

WHile I don't agree with your proposition that you need a high school diploma, you are right about one thing: There are employers who are pretigious enough to require that you have a high school diploma. I know that in California (which I'll be staying for a while) that a high school diploma becomes useless once you get a college degree.

Besides, I don't plan to become a businessman anyway. I would prefer journalism.

LJS9502_basic

You're not getting it. It's not about requirements...it's about impression. That includes the journalism field. Now I'm off to work.

You do know you're just trying to justify your decision with this thread? It's not a good idea to quite school. But good luck.

Who says I quit school? I'M STILL IN SCHOOL!!!!

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

jerico6

Then explain how I'm able to go to a community college without a high school diploma or GED.

Your community college more than likely sucks, bunch of idiots walking around with no education is what it sounds like to me.

[QUOTE="jerico6"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

Ragnarok1051

Then explain how I'm able to go to a community college without a high school diploma or GED.

Your community college more than likely sucks, bunch of idiots walking around with no education is what it sounds like to me.

Actually it's been rated "Best community College in San Diego" :P

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="jerico6"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

jerico6

Then explain how I'm able to go to a community college without a high school diploma or GED.

Your community college more than likely sucks, bunch of idiots walking around with no education is what it sounds like to me.

Actually it's been rated "Best community College in San Diego" :P

It was probably a graduate of the school. :P

[QUOTE="jerico6"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="jerico6"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

Ragnarok1051

Then explain how I'm able to go to a community college without a high school diploma or GED.

Your community college more than likely sucks, bunch of idiots walking around with no education is what it sounds like to me.

Actually it's been rated "Best community College in San Diego" :P

It was probably a graduate of the school. :P

Hey, there's nothing wrong with community colleges. :evil: I love the school I go to. It's awesome and it's really the best community college in the county.

If you want to go to a bad community college fine. If you want to go to a good one, you need much more than a HS degree. Either way, you need the education from HS to understand most of College, so you have to stay in high school for 4 years anyway. Then if you don't get the diploma, you have to spend 2 years getting an associate's degree at a crappy community college before you can enter a 4 year Uni. That basically puts you at a 2 year waste, not to mention spending 2 more year's worth of college money.manningbowl135

THere's no shame in going to a community college. Most people do it. And the community college I go to is not crap. It's been ranked as San Diego's Best community College. Really good school. I just no longer believe the idea that a high school diploma is required to succeed in life. What would I do with it? Hang it on my wall like decoration?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

A college degree is necessary....and high school has to be completed in order to attend college...so graduating high school is important.

jerico6

Community college isn't exactly high on the list of great education. And the rules vary.....not all of them accept GED's.

SOme college are hard to get into with any kind of diploma (UCLA for example is a REALLY hard school to get into).

Hey, I go there.8)

Hey, there's nothing wrong with community colleges. :evil: I love the school I go to. It's awesome and it's really the best community college in the county.

jerico6

I go to one too, I hate it though. A community college is nothing like a University, its like I'm still in high school or something.

:lol: The arrogance of youth eh? If you want my perspective, as a potential future employer I would suggest that to sack off your high school diploma is NOT agood idea. I am not sure what the American system is, but here in the UK, basic numeracy and literacy levels are a pre-requiste for MOST jobs. This means graduating from schoool with at least passes in these 2 areas, but more likely passes in at least 5 areas (I presume that this is an equivalent of your high school diploma) A "college education" is then taken in to account if these passes were not achieved, however the reasons for failing graduation of school need to be pretty good when considered alongside a candidate who has managed this.

To the person who was interested in Jounalism and not "business" - I would suggest that your high school diploma should be a first rung in your intention to become a journalist as I assume this diploma proves your literacy levels reach at least a minimum standard.

Remember, when you leave school (be that High School, college or University) you will be in the workplace with little or no work experience - it will be your educational achievements that employers look at first, and if you have failed high school you may well be overlooked.