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#51 jimhogg
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]you know what? the national debt increases with EVERY presided since Andrew Jackson... same with foreign oil. same with dollar. and that thing on cobat readiness is totally absurd. price of gas used to be .40 cents when the other bush was in office. the fact of the matter is that Bush is an average president.... He had to deal with the greatest cryisis this world has ever seen. noone seems to remember that.. swamprat_basic

Umm...I'm pretty sure that the Great Depression and World War II were bigger times of crisis...

The Black Plague might have been a bigger crisis, but I'm not sure there...

world war 2 wasn't a crysis.. that was a war.. not to sound like i don't value lives but ww2 was the reason we got out of the great depression.

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#52 Hoobinator
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9/11 was the biggest since pearl harbor on american soil. katrina wasn't what i was referring to but it's still a big one.

jimhogg

Yeah but where does the world come into this? How do these american cryisis[sic] make it a worldwide cryisis[sic].

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#53 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

you know what? the national debt increases with EVERY presided since Andrew Jackson... same with foreign oil. same with dollar. and that thing on cobat readiness is totally absurd. price of gas used to be .40 cents when the other bush was in office. the fact of the matter is that Bush is an average president.... He had to deal with the greatest cryisis this world has ever seen. noone seems to remember that..

JLAudio7

The world? nah. In the US? most likely.

...The Civil War? The Great Depression? The Korean Missile Crisis? Any of these ring a bell?
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Honestly, do you have any idea how the National Government works?! For one thing, the United States of America elected him. Stop complaining. America causes its own problems.
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#55 icarus212001
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

you know what? the national debt increases with EVERY presided since Andrew Jackson... same with foreign oil. same with dollar. and that thing on cobat readiness is totally absurd. price of gas used to be .40 cents when the other bush was in office. the fact of the matter is that Bush is an average president.... He had to deal with the greatest cryisis this world has ever seen. noone seems to remember that..

EboyLOL

What crisis are you referring to???

i'll give you a hint: happened in NYC...involved 2 things that go wooooosh...things came down...(i'll give you a second to think)

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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

PerfectGamer17


You, sir, are woefully misinformed.

They had it on the news like 2 or 3 years ago. google it.


So Clinton knew where Bin Laden was? I'm not going to confirm or deny the validity of that, but saying that 9-11 was Clinton's fault is untrue propaganda. And to use that as an argument against Hillary Clinton is even more nonsensical and unsubstantiated than the latter. I'm guessing that you don't have many more reasons than that for opposing Clinton, which figures.
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

you know what? the national debt increases with EVERY presided since Andrew Jackson... same with foreign oil. same with dollar. and that thing on cobat readiness is totally absurd. price of gas used to be .40 cents when the other bush was in office. the fact of the matter is that Bush is an average president.... He had to deal with the greatest cryisis this world has ever seen. noone seems to remember that..

Hoobinator

What crisis are you referring to???

umm 9/11 ohh and katrina.. 2 that makes 2 crysis's

As stupid as this may sound.... how are those the greatest cryisis(sic) the world has ever seen?

Don't ask him that, now you are just looking ofr a dumb answer (sin ehe has given dumb examples) so you can prove him wrong and boost your ego.

Sure KAtrina and 9/11 were both horrible, but certainly not the worst. Either way, Bush had to deal with 9/11 and one of the worst hurricanes this country has ever seen. Cut the guy some slack, would ya? I mean, he's not all that bad that people make him out to be. He's only human.

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[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

you know what? the national debt increases with EVERY presided since Andrew Jackson... same with foreign oil. same with dollar. and that thing on cobat readiness is totally absurd. price of gas used to be .40 cents when the other bush was in office. the fact of the matter is that Bush is an average president.... He had to deal with the greatest cryisis this world has ever seen. noone seems to remember that..

jimhogg

What crisis are you referring to???

umm 9/11 ohh and katrina.. 2 that makes 2 crysis's

Even if those were anything close to the greatest crisese (excuse the spelling) the world has ever seen, the fact of the matter is that the critiscism of his presidency is how he dealt with them. Dealing with them doesn't make him a good president, it's how he deals with them.
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#59 quiglythegreat
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Honestly, do you have any idea how the National Government works?! For one thing, the United States of America elected him. Stop complaining. America causes its own problems.DarCowAlways
Need I remind you, he was not initally elected by popular vote, but rather by vote of the Supreme Court. As well, he won his second election because of the destruction of the World Trade Center, primarily, but that really was our fault the second time.
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]you know what? the national debt increases with EVERY presided since Andrew Jackson... same with foreign oil. same with dollar. and that thing on cobat readiness is totally absurd. price of gas used to be .40 cents when the other bush was in office. the fact of the matter is that Bush is an average president.... He had to deal with the greatest cryisis this world has ever seen. noone seems to remember that.. swamprat_basic

Umm...I'm pretty sure that the Great Depression and World War II were bigger times of crisis...

The Black Plague might have been a bigger crisis, but I'm not sure there...

There are many more recent ones than that. remember that tsunami in indonesia? How about the conflict in darfur? famine in ethiopia?
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Ok, Bush is around my top 10 worst presidents (there have been many worse if you people know any history), but about half of that can't be blamed on Bush. For example, the cost of college is going up anyway.
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#62 quiglythegreat
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Don't ask him that, now you are just looking ofr a dumb answer (sin ehe has given dumb examples) so you can prove him wrong and boost your ego.

Sure KAtrina and 9/11 were both horrible, but certainly not the worst. Either way, Bush had to deal with 9/11 and one of the worst hurricanes this country has ever seen. Cut the guy some slack, would ya? I mean, he's not all that bad that people make him out to be. He's only human.

cpo335
The president shouldn't be making such big mistakes. That's the whole point of making someone president. Because they can handle that position better than most people.
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whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

PerfectGamer17
EXACTLY! The same goes for Obama. It's the idiots who get so angry at the President that they go and vote for the other party and get us in a world of trouble that are the counties worst nightmare.
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#64 Hoobinator
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Don't ask him that, now you are just looking ofr a dumb answer (sin ehe has given dumb examples) so you can prove him wrong and boost your ego.

Sure KAtrina and 9/11 were both horrible, but certainly not the worst. Either way, Bush had to deal with 9/11 and one of the worst hurricanes this country has ever seen. Cut the guy some slack, would ya? I mean, he's not all that bad that people make him out to be. He's only human.

cpo335

OK, I'll stop. :P

But I'll end with this, Bush ****** it up for Bush. :|

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#65 cpo335
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[QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

bman784


You, sir, are woefully misinformed.

They had it on the news like 2 or 3 years ago. google it.


So Clinton knew where Bin Laden was? I'm not going to confirm or deny the validity of that, but saying that 9-11 was Clinton's fault is untrue propaganda. And to use that as an argument against Hillary Clinton is even more nonsensical and unsubstantiated than the latter. I'm guessing that you don't have many more reasons than that for opposing Clinton, which figures.

Okay, once you get off your high horse, can we talk for a bit?

Sure, it's not DIRECTLY Bill's fault for 9/11, but he sure as hell didn't help the situation get any better. If Osama was gone, the probability for 9/11 would have gone way down, but since Clinton did nothing about Osama, we got a modern Pearl Harbor (except worse).

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#66 bman784
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[QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

Anamosa41
EXACTLY! The same goes for Obama. It's the idiots who get so angry at the President that they go and vote for the other party and get us in a world of trouble that are the counties worst nightmare.


Have you been around the past 8 years? We're living in the country's worst nightmare.
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#67 club-sandwich
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whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

PerfectGamer17
you just self-owned. :|
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[QUOTE="cpo335"]

Don't ask him that, now you are just looking ofr a dumb answer (sin ehe has given dumb examples) so you can prove him wrong and boost your ego.

Sure KAtrina and 9/11 were both horrible, but certainly not the worst. Either way, Bush had to deal with 9/11 and one of the worst hurricanes this country has ever seen. Cut the guy some slack, would ya? I mean, he's not all that bad that people make him out to be. He's only human.

quiglythegreat
The president shouldn't be making such big mistakes. That's the whole point of making someone president. Because they can handle that position better than most people.

He's doing that in my opinion. I'm not sure this list the OP gave us is for real. Even if it is he's doing a MUCH better job than Al Gore could do.
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#69 jimhogg
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

you know what? the national debt increases with EVERY presided since Andrew Jackson... same with foreign oil. same with dollar. and that thing on cobat readiness is totally absurd. price of gas used to be .40 cents when the other bush was in office. the fact of the matter is that Bush is an average president.... He had to deal with the greatest cryisis this world has ever seen. noone seems to remember that..

EboyLOL

What crisis are you referring to???

umm 9/11 ohh and katrina.. 2 that makes 2 crysis's

Even if those were anything close to the greatest crisese (excuse the spelling) the world has ever seen, the fact of the matter is that the critiscism of his presidency is how he dealt with them. Dealing with them doesn't make him a good president, it's how he deals with them.

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

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[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]If anyone really thinks that one man has this much power they're the true idiot. A lot of the problems up there are our own faults anyway. It's not Bush's fault that there are billions of dollars in credit card debt and it's certainly not his fault that we keep buying oil.SuperVegeta518

lulz

That is the way to argue.

Sorry, but im not going to talk notes on economics and foreign policy from a dude named Super Vegeta. Although he may not be a Direct cause, the Influences of his decisions Did put the U.S. 2 steps backward on national progress. further burdening an already burdened education system, and initiating multiple wars on false premises, thinning our armies.

summed up from what i've experienced and learned his FP would have to called. Strained for the Pain, Surviving the Bush/cheney Train.: the Anti-Catalyst.

IF we get another unqualified president it's going to be : bite the pillow and cry cause it's........(well you know).

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#72 Cube_of_MooN
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Some of that stuff isn't necessarily his fault jusbecause it happened under him.
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9/11 was a turning point for america in the world view. Terrorism has existed for very long time and wont go away. Bush could have used 9/11 to boost the worlds affection for it with peaceful campaigns around the world. Intead the Iraq war was breeded. Where 300,000 or more people have died. Rapes, pillaging and cival wars ravage the area. Its hard to have a positive mood towards Bush unless T.V is you only method of extracting information.

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Okay, once you get off your high horse, can we talk for a bit?

Sure, it's not DIRECTLY Bill's fault for 9/11, but he sure as hell didn't help the situation get any better. If Osama was gone, the probability for 9/11 would have gone way down, but since Clinton did nothing about Osama, we got a modern Pearl Harbor (except worse).

cpo335
And there are tons of other terrorist organizations with just as potent leaders all over the world. Clinton had the idea of not trying to feed them. He actually had the correct philosophy about terrorism. People say that Clinton should've acted more harshly about the previous bombing of the WTC, the attack on the US embassies in Somalia, and the Cole. The fact of the matter is, inaction WAS the best solution, not that it was total inaction, but certainly not 'action' as what the modern political vernacular defines it. They want a RISE out of us. They want us bombing their towns and cutting power to their water plants. It vindicates them in thinking we're evil and it allows them to recruit more people. Osama formerly declared war on the US in February 1998 (if I can recall a thing about the 9/11 Comission Report). And what the hell is Clinton supposed to do? Terrorists do that, they want to scare us into burning their villages and raping their women. And Bush has done PRECISELY that. The success of 9/11 was totally unexpected by bin Laden himself. It was a fluke. The truth is, that's tremendously difficult to pull off (some people realizing this have concluded it was the governmnet; these people are a little neurotic). 9/11 was a Titanic type deal in that absolutely everything had to go perfectly for that much destruction to have been reaped.
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#75 Hoobinator
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he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

jimhogg

FEMA is an agency of the US government, and yes they ****** Katrina up well and good.

Bush hates poor people.

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[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

bman784
EXACTLY! The same goes for Obama. It's the idiots who get so angry at the President that they go and vote for the other party and get us in a world of trouble that are the counties worst nightmare.


Have you been around the past 8 years? We're living in the country's worst nightmare.

Yeah, right. :roll:
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he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

jimhogg
Who has influence over FEMA? The executive branch! Yay! You can't deal with a disaster like that. What he did was a lame and horribly misguided effort to prevent further such disasters. He perked up the nation and got us to be about something, right? No. Tragedy does that and he just milked us for as much as we had to go ahead with his totally insane ideas about foreign policy.
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9/11 was a turning point for america in the world view. Terrorism has existed for very long time and wont go away. Bush could have used 9/11 to boost the worlds affection for it with peaceful campaigns around the world. Intead the Iraq war was breeded. Where 300,000 or more people have died. Rapes, pillaging and cival wars ravage the area. Its hard to have a positive mood towards Bush unless T.V is you only method of extracting information.

Uxal

I remember reading one guy who posted something very eloquently:

"Bush is the only guy who could take the wave of sympathy pouring into America after 9/11 and **** it all up by his own actions. He managed to turn universal sympathy into universal hatred."

It was something along those lines.

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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

Hoobinator

FEMA is an agency of the US government, and yes they ****** Katrina up well and good.

Bush hates poor people.

Thanks Kayne or however you spell it. And I don't think it was poor...
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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

Anamosa41
EXACTLY! The same goes for Obama. It's the idiots who get so angry at the President that they go and vote for the other party and get us in a world of trouble that are the counties worst nightmare.


Have you been around the past 8 years? We're living in the country's worst nightmare.

Yeah, right. :roll:


There's a chart on the first page that well illustatres my point. The country is in a horrible state at the moment, the market is on the verge of recession, were dumping hundreds of billions of dollars a year into a war that the current administration used blatant lies to start, and yet you think that Bush has created a peachy utopia that no liberal could possibly improve on? REALLY? I await being proven wrong.
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well. Hoobinator

FEMA is an agency of the US government, and yes they ****** Katrina up well and good.

Bush hates poor people.

Kanye West already pointed out that Bush hates BLACK people (who happen to have lived in the poor parts of New Orleans).

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[QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

bman784


You, sir, are woefully misinformed.

They had it on the news like 2 or 3 years ago. google it.


So Clinton knew where Bin Laden was? I'm not going to confirm or deny the validity of that, but saying that 9-11 was Clinton's fault is untrue propaganda. And to use that as an argument against Hillary Clinton is even more nonsensical and unsubstantiated than the latter. I'm guessing that you don't have many more reasons than that for opposing Clinton, which figures.

Theres so many reasons why she shouldn't get the job.

here we go.


For starters, she was voted as a Senator from New York State and did very little in my opinion to help out the middle ****which is the majority of registered voters. The idea of a covering all Americans in some sort of socialized healthcare system has not worked in other countries, why does she think that it will work here? She claims that it will be affordable, portable and available to everyone. She hits all the hot buttons by bashing insurance companies and that the government will offer you tax credits to help pay premiums. Sounds good right? Other leaders in history have tried similar ideas and what it leads to is yet another way for the government to control our lives which directly goes against the fundamental principals of democracy. For this also to happen in Hillary land, she would have to cut other programs to pay for this. She has yet to state what those will be to the best of my knowledge.

Ending the War in Iraq is something that she claims that she wants to do,but she voted to send the troops there originally. She is a hypocrite when it comes to this issue because depending on which way the wind is blowing that day and how it will effect her political agenda, she may tell you something different. She has refused to take a long standing stance on the issue so I have no idea what she will think next Wednesday. This is way to important of an issue to not know exactly where a candidate stands.

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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

quiglythegreat
Who has influence over FEMA? The executive branch! Yay! You can't deal with a disaster like that. What he did was a lame and horribly misguided effort to prevent further such disasters. He perked up the nation and got us to be about something, right? No. Tragedy does that and he just milked us for as much as we had to go ahead with his totally insane ideas about foreign policy.

So let me get this straight, FEMA (back then) was basically a"little kid" and did whatever his "daddy" told him to do and if his "daddy" didn't tell him to do something, he wouldn't do it?
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#84 Hoobinator
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

cpo335

FEMA is an agency of the US government, and yes they ****** Katrina up well and good.

Bush hates poor people.

Thanks Kayne or however you spell it. And I don't think it was poor...

I'm not Kanye and I know what he said.

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[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

bman784
EXACTLY! The same goes for Obama. It's the idiots who get so angry at the President that they go and vote for the other party and get us in a world of trouble that are the counties worst nightmare.


Have you been around the past 8 years? We're living in the country's worst nightmare.

Yeah, right. :roll:


There's a chart on the first page that well illustatres my point. The country is in a horrible state at the moment, the market is on the verge of recession, were dumping hundreds of billions of dollars a year into a war that the current administration used blatant lies to start, and yet you think that Bush has created a peachy utopia that no liberal could possibly improve on? REALLY? I await being proven wrong.

The reason you can't be "proven wrong" is because your too high to reach! If you can get off your high horse, then maybe people will start tlaking to you.
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#86 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

cpo335
Who has influence over FEMA? The executive branch! Yay! You can't deal with a disaster like that. What he did was a lame and horribly misguided effort to prevent further such disasters. He perked up the nation and got us to be about something, right? No. Tragedy does that and he just milked us for as much as we had to go ahead with his totally insane ideas about foreign policy.

So let me get this straight, FEMA (back then) was basically a"little kid" and did whatever his "daddy" told him to do and if his "daddy" didn't tell him to do something, he wouldn't do it?

No, I'm saying that blame for a huge bungling of a very important relief effort cannot be deflected from an executive to the organization said executive is in charge of.
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#87 cpo335
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[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

Hoobinator

FEMA is an agency of the US government, and yes they ****** Katrina up well and good.

Bush hates poor people.

Thanks Kayne or however you spell it. And I don't think it was poor...

I'm not Kanye and I know what he said.

Damn, I was hoping for an autograph.
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#88 jimhogg
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"]

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

Hoobinator

FEMA is an agency of the US government, and yes they ****** Katrina up well and good.

Bush hates poor people.

now that's an ignorant statement.

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#89 GamerForca
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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

cpo335


You, sir, are woefully misinformed.

They had it on the news like 2 or 3 years ago. google it.


So Clinton knew where Bin Laden was? I'm not going to confirm or deny the validity of that, but saying that 9-11 was Clinton's fault is untrue propaganda. And to use that as an argument against Hillary Clinton is even more nonsensical and unsubstantiated than the latter. I'm guessing that you don't have many more reasons than that for opposing Clinton, which figures.

Okay, once you get off your high horse, can we talk for a bit?

Sure, it's not DIRECTLY Bill's fault for 9/11, but he sure as hell didn't help the situation get any better. If Osama was gone, the probability for 9/11 would have gone way down, but since Clinton did nothing about Osama, we got a modern Pearl Harbor (except worse).

That's BS... what the **** are you talking about? There were a couple of attacks on American property that Bill tried to hush up, but after a while he made a severe attempt to kill Bin Laden. He was even criticized for it. Aside from the scandals, Bill was a pretty good president. He helped push the economy forward and was able to work with a right-wing congress.

That being said, Hillary would be a horrible president, worse than Bush imo. Prices will go even higher and she's far too liberal to work with congress.

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you know what? the national debt increases with EVERY presided since Andrew Jackson... same with foreign oil. same with dollar. and that thing on cobat readiness is totally absurd. price of gas used to be .40 cents when the other bush was in office. the fact of the matter is that Bush is an average president.... He had to deal with the greatest cryisis this world has ever seen. noone seems to remember that..

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Omg, I didn't know he had to deal with Godfather 3 being released.
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#91 Hoobinator
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

jimhogg

FEMA is an agency of the US government, and yes they ****** Katrina up well and good.

Bush hates poor people.

now that's an ignorant statement.

Bush doesn't care for black people.

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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

cpo335
EXACTLY! The same goes for Obama. It's the idiots who get so angry at the President that they go and vote for the other party and get us in a world of trouble that are the counties worst nightmare.


Have you been around the past 8 years? We're living in the country's worst nightmare.

Yeah, right. :roll:


There's a chart on the first page that well illustatres my point. The country is in a horrible state at the moment, the market is on the verge of recession, were dumping hundreds of billions of dollars a year into a war that the current administration used blatant lies to start, and yet you think that Bush has created a peachy utopia that no liberal could possibly improve on? REALLY? I await being proven wrong.

The reason you can't be "proven wrong" is because your too high to reach! If you can get off your high horse, then maybe people will start tlaking to you.


I apologize for not being able to give a cheery, objective pro/con chart of the Bush administration that will appeal to everyone, but the fact of the matter is that I have a strong opinion on the issue. I see no reason to sugar coat an argument. And when I get a two word response to a point I make ending with one of these: :roll:, do you really expect me to not argue?
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#94 PerfectGamer17
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[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

GamerForca


You, sir, are woefully misinformed.

They had it on the news like 2 or 3 years ago. google it.


So Clinton knew where Bin Laden was? I'm not going to confirm or deny the validity of that, but saying that 9-11 was Clinton's fault is untrue propaganda. And to use that as an argument against Hillary Clinton is even more nonsensical and unsubstantiated than the latter. I'm guessing that you don't have many more reasons than that for opposing Clinton, which figures.

Okay, once you get off your high horse, can we talk for a bit?

Sure, it's not DIRECTLY Bill's fault for 9/11, but he sure as hell didn't help the situation get any better. If Osama was gone, the probability for 9/11 would have gone way down, but since Clinton did nothing about Osama, we got a modern Pearl Harbor (except worse).

Bill was a pretty good president.

OMG I'm going to print that AND PUT IT ON MY WALL AND EVERy TIME I FEEL sad so I can just laugh at that. thanks man.

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[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

bman784

EXACTLY! The same goes for Obama. It's the idiots who get so angry at the President that they go and vote for the other party and get us in a world of trouble that are the counties worst nightmare.


Have you been around the past 8 years? We're living in the country's worst nightmare.

Yeah, right. :roll:


There's a chart on the first page that well illustatres my point. The country is in a horrible state at the moment, the market is on the verge of recession, were dumping hundreds of billions of dollars a year into a war that the current administration used blatant lies to start, and yet you think that Bush has created a peachy utopia that no liberal could possibly improve on? REALLY? I await being proven wrong.

I think it would be nice to leave Iraq. I will admit that. I am beginning to think that we should leave soon. We ARE in a horrible position when it comes to the nation being in debt. That's why the house rates are dropping drastically. We will have to take other measures to get the country out of debt but Pres. Bush is doing what he can about that.

But please, you're a democrat, right? Look at the house of reps. Almost every time the President does something to HELP the nation they turn him down. Even if it makes perfect sense! If you haven't noticed this watch, read, or listen to news about the bills and laws he wants them to pass. Just do that and come back and tell me what you think about this issue. I would like to know what you think.

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#96 swamprat_basic
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[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

quiglythegreat

Who has influence over FEMA? The executive branch! Yay! You can't deal with a disaster like that. What he did was a lame and horribly misguided effort to prevent further such disasters. He perked up the nation and got us to be about something, right? No. Tragedy does that and he just milked us for as much as we had to go ahead with his totally insane ideas about foreign policy.

So let me get this straight, FEMA (back then) was basically a"little kid" and did whatever his "daddy" told him to do and if his "daddy" didn't tell him to do something, he wouldn't do it?

No, I'm saying that blame for a huge bungling of a very important relief effort cannot be deflected from an executive to the organization said executive is in charge of.

Especially when said executive appoints a man with zero qualifications as Director of FEMA.

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#97 cpo335
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[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

bman784
EXACTLY! The same goes for Obama. It's the idiots who get so angry at the President that they go and vote for the other party and get us in a world of trouble that are the counties worst nightmare.


Have you been around the past 8 years? We're living in the country's worst nightmare.

Yeah, right. :roll:


There's a chart on the first page that well illustatres my point. The country is in a horrible state at the moment, the market is on the verge of recession, were dumping hundreds of billions of dollars a year into a war that the current administration used blatant lies to start, and yet you think that Bush has created a peachy utopia that no liberal could possibly improve on? REALLY? I await being proven wrong.

The reason you can't be "proven wrong" is because your too high to reach! If you can get off your high horse, then maybe people will start tlaking to you.


I apologize for not being able to give a cheery, objective pro/con chart of the Bush administration that will appeal to everyone, but the fact of the matter is that I have a strong opinion on the issue. I see no reason to sugar coat an argument. And when I get a two word response to a point I make ending with one of these: :roll:, do you really expect me to not argue?

No, i'm saying you don't have to be an ass about it. So maybe the country's economy is going through some bad times, we're in a war (whether you like it or not) and we have to deal with it. And how am I supposed to know that chart on the first page is valid? And I support the war and the reason we invaded, I'm assuming that you don't think there were WMD's there, I do. Hey, maybe there weren't, maybe there were, but don't think that Bush just decided to invade Iraq on a whim one morning, there were a lot of people working on this thing and they had evidence that there might be WMD's in Iraq.
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The Dixie Chicks are ashamed President Bush is from Texas. That's good enough for me.

Bush hates the Dixie Chicks.

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[QUOTE="GamerForca"][QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="PerfectGamer17"]

whatever you do don't let

her become resident, if you think bush was bad wait till you see what she can do. I mean 9/11 would of never had happenif bill would of killed bin laden. He new wherehe was and didn't do anything about it.

PerfectGamer17


You, sir, are woefully misinformed.

They had it on the news like 2 or 3 years ago. google it.


So Clinton knew where Bin Laden was? I'm not going to confirm or deny the validity of that, but saying that 9-11 was Clinton's fault is untrue propaganda. And to use that as an argument against Hillary Clinton is even more nonsensical and unsubstantiated than the latter. I'm guessing that you don't have many more reasons than that for opposing Clinton, which figures.

Okay, once you get off your high horse, can we talk for a bit?

Sure, it's not DIRECTLY Bill's fault for 9/11, but he sure as hell didn't help the situation get any better. If Osama was gone, the probability for 9/11 would have gone way down, but since Clinton did nothing about Osama, we got a modern Pearl Harbor (except worse).

Bill was a pretty good president.

OMG I'm going to print that AND PUT IT ON MY WALL AND EVERy TIME I FEEL sad so I can just laugh at that. thanks man.

Really? I didn't realize that being in a surplus was a bad thing...

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#100 jimhogg
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[QUOTE="jimhogg"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jimhogg"]

he dealt with 9/11 very well. fema didn't deal with katrina very well.

Hoobinator

FEMA is an agency of the US government, and yes they ****** Katrina up well and good.

Bush hates poor people.

now that's an ignorant statement.

Bush doesn't care for black people.

even more ignorant...