The most violent culture the world has ever seen...

Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Engrish_Major

:| You disgust me.

id say whatever culture vlad the impaler was part of... you gotta be hardcore to stake 100,000 people to death (or however many it was)dreamachine

Romanian/Transylvanian, highly debated. The man would lay a golden cup around cities and people would be too scared to steal it, now thats leadership.

U S A

we crazy.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Taegukki

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Engrish_Major

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Taegukki

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

A whole country of Christians facilitated the extermination. The Spanish Inquisition is another example.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Taegukki

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

[QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Engrish_Major

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

A whole country of Christians facilitated the extermination. The Spanish Inquisition is another example.

And yeah, the Middle ages were horrible times.....but it doesnt mean that we are still violent.

[QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Engrish_Major

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

A whole country of Christians facilitated the extermination. The Spanish Inquisition is another example.

I was unaware every single person was or is a christian in Germany. Regardless of their religion, it was not done in the name of God, the fact that many of them were christian was just coincedental. It was done because they were mislead by a monster. Hitler was just looking for an excuse to kill them, he was insane.

Mayans or aztecs, they realize human sacrifices, to be a jaguar warrior one warrior must capture 5 prisioners and offer the hearts to th jaguar, I have heard they use to practicize canibalismdragon7x2k

Umm, No. Yeah they used humans sacrifices, but at least they had a reason for it. They literally thought that if they didn't, the world was going to end. Other cultures just killed because they were ****

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.fanboy-buster

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

A whole country of Christians facilitated the extermination. The Spanish Inquisition is another example.

And yeah, the Middle ages were horrible times.....but it doesnt mean that we are still violent.

The witch trials were carried out by Christians. And up until a couple of decades ago, the predominantly Christian population in the south committed atrocities against people they regarded as lesser people (African Americans).

[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Engrish_Major

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

A whole country of Christians facilitated the extermination. The Spanish Inquisition is another example.

And yeah, the Middle ages were horrible times.....but it doesnt mean that we are still violent.

The witch trials were carried out by Christians. And up until a couple of decades ago, the predominantly Christian population in the south committed atrocities against people they regarded as lesser people (African Americans).

Does it say in the Bible to mistreat people of different ethnicities? No. They were just bigots and fools.

[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Engrish_Major

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

A whole country of Christians facilitated the extermination. The Spanish Inquisition is another example.

And yeah, the Middle ages were horrible times.....but it doesnt mean that we are still violent.

The witch trials were carried out by Christians. And up until a couple of decades ago, the predominantly Christian population in the south committed atrocities against people they regarded as lesser people (African Americans).

you know nothing... if they kill someone for their race, or not converting, then I don't even consider them Christians. But if they do it because of the injustices of the sociecty, then I think war is needed. innocents will die, but the evil will be crushed and the cause will be for good...

how many men did Stalin kill? Millions in 10 years for Communism's sake. And yes communism is a relgion because it is a series of beliefs...battlefront23

Much more than Hitler ever did. What about Mao Zedong? Im suprised nobody has mentioned him yet (if they have then I missed it). Mao killed over 30 million of his own people.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Taegukki

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

A whole country of Christians facilitated the extermination. The Spanish Inquisition is another example.

And yeah, the Middle ages were horrible times.....but it doesnt mean that we are still violent.

The witch trials were carried out by Christians. And up until a couple of decades ago, the predominantly Christian population in the south committed atrocities against people they regarded as lesser people (African Americans).

Does it say in the Bible to mistreat people of different ethnicities? No. They were just bigots and fools.

*high fives taegukkie*

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]how many men did Stalin kill? Millions in 10 years for Communism's sake. And yes communism is a relgion because it is a series of beliefs...Taegukki

Much more than Hitler ever did. What about Mao Zedong? Im suprised nobody has mentioned him yet (if they have then I missed it). Mao killed over 30 million of his own people.

*high fives again*

GERMANS ( the holocuast any1??)

no offence to any1 im german myself......

I still believe Christians have accounted for more deaths in the past 2000 years than any other group. Christians still justify killing. That has remained the same. Jesus would not agree thatANY killing is okay. Christians confuse me.Engrish_Major

The fact that Jesus would not condone killing is a point ive been trying to put across. A real christian would not kill somebody, The rest are using their religion as an excuse, or a scapegoat. The crusades for example; did they ask God if it was alright to murder people in the name of christianity? No. They did it because they were stupid. They were treasure hunters.

All cultures, all humans, we all have blood on our hands somewhere.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]I still believe Christians have accounted for more deaths in the past 2000 years than any other group. Christians still justify killing. That has remained the same. Jesus would not agree thatANY killing is okay. Christians confuse me.Taegukki

The fact that Jesus would not condone killing is a point ive been trying to put across. A real christian would not kill somebody, The rest are using their religion as an excuse, or a scapegoat. The crusades for example; did they ask God if it was alright to murder people in the name of christianity? No. They did it because they were stupid. They were treasure hunters.

but what about in war? In war I do think it is right to kill for the right cause.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.Taegukki

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

A whole country of Christians facilitated the extermination. The Spanish Inquisition is another example.

And yeah, the Middle ages were horrible times.....but it doesnt mean that we are still violent.

The witch trials were carried out by Christians. And up until a couple of decades ago, the predominantly Christian population in the south committed atrocities against people they regarded as lesser people (African Americans).

Does it say in the Bible to mistreat people of different ethnicities? No. They were just bigots and fools.

Doesn't change the fact that they believed they were doing God's will. Hell, when they looked to the pope for guidance about slavery he not only allowed it, he said God condoned it. They justified it through the teachings of Christianity and dogmatic law. Believe me, I'm in no way blasting Christianity. But history shows that though they were bigots and fools, they were bigots and fools who believed God placed them at a higher spectrum because of skin colour.

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]I still believe Christians have accounted for more deaths in the past 2000 years than any other group. Christians still justify killing. That has remained the same. Jesus would not agree thatANY killing is okay. Christians confuse me.battlefront23

The fact that Jesus would not condone killing is a point ive been trying to put across. A real christian would not kill somebody, The rest are using their religion as an excuse, or a scapegoat. The crusades for example; did they ask God if it was alright to murder people in the name of christianity? No. They did it because they were stupid. They were treasure hunters.

but what about in war? In war I do think it is right to kill for the right cause.

Yes, that's okay of course. War for the right reasons is always a good idea.

[QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Besides the crusades? You mean the 300 years it lasted killing an estimated 1-2 million people? Also Christians are responsible for the Holocaust. And also the death penalty in this country.bigdcstile

:| You disgust me.

War and killing disgusts me.

Hitler and his supporters did not instigate the holocaust in the name of God or christianity. Hitler was a psychopath with an inferiority complex, and the German people were just sucked in and brainwashed by him. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to kill the Jews, that would be pretty idiotic, considering even Jesus is Jewish. Next time think before you post such idiotic drivel.

A whole country of Christians facilitated the extermination. The Spanish Inquisition is another example.

And yeah, the Middle ages were horrible times.....but it doesnt mean that we are still violent.

The witch trials were carried out by Christians. And up until a couple of decades ago, the predominantly Christian population in the south committed atrocities against people they regarded as lesser people (African Americans).

Does it say in the Bible to mistreat people of different ethnicities? No. They were just bigots and fools.

Doesn't change the fact that they believed they were doing God's will. Hell, when they looked to the pope for guidance about slavery he not only allowed it, he said God condoned it. They justified it through the teachings of Christianity and dogmatic law. Believe me, I'm in no way blasting Christianity. But history shows that though they were bigots and fools, they were bigots and fools who believed God placed them at a higher spectrum because of skin colour.

The Pope is an idiot. He isnt God, nor does he converse with God. He's a catholic idol.

I still believe Christians have accounted for more deaths in the past 2000 years than any other group. Christians still justify killing. That has remained the same. Jesus would not agree thatANY killing is okay. Christians confuse me.Engrish_Major

Muslims do the same, they follow the wishes of they're leader like catholics followed the pope 1000 years ago, if anything we are getting less violent and they're getting more, iraq is not a holy war on the christian side.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]how many men did Stalin kill? Millions in 10 years for Communism's sake. And yes communism is a relgion because it is a series of beliefs...Taegukki

Much more than Hitler ever did. What about Mao Zedong? Im suprised nobody has mentioned him yet (if they have then I missed it). Mao killed over 30 million of his own people.

Aztecshojobojo

bingo

oh, and btw, the iranian president cuts off a young mans head and makes the mother walk through the village with her sons head in her hands. i think thats a little violent.

Taegukki, I agree with you for most points. If you are a good, peaceful Christian, I certainly do not hold being involved in religion against anyone. I am a stalward ambassador for peace. It is the viewpoints of Battlefront23 that make me angry- that killing is okay if you believe you are in the right. Everyone who kills believes they are in the right. Then it will NEVER stop, and men will continue killing each other until we are all dead.

Peace to all. Wasn't that Jesus' message?

Taegukki, I agree with you for most points. If you are a good, peaceful Christian, I certainly do not hold being involved in religion against anyone. I am a stalward ambassador for peace. It is the viewpoints of Battlefront23 that make me angry- that killing is okay if you believe you are in the right. Everyone who kills believes they are in the right. Then it will NEVER stop, and men will continue killing each other until we are all dead.

Peace to all. Wasn't that Jesus' message?

Engrish_Major

Yes, youre right. But I think that Battlefront23 is trying to say that war for the right reasons is okay. Like the allies fighting Hitler for example.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Taegukki, I agree with you for most points. If you are a good, peaceful Christian, I certainly do not hold being involved in religion against anyone. I am a stalward ambassador for peace. It is the viewpoints of Battlefront23 that make me angry- that killing is okay if you believe you are in the right. Everyone who kills believes they are in the right. Then it will NEVER stop, and men will continue killing each other until we are all dead.

Peace to all. Wasn't that Jesus' message?

Taegukki

Yes, youre right. But I think that Battlefront23 is trying to say that war for the right reasons is okay. Like the allies fighting Hitler for example.

Yes, but without our violent history, war would not be necessary in the first place. It is because of borders and armies and fear that war even begins.

Some of the most perfect and powerful people in history have accomplished their legacy through peace. Jesus, MLK jr and Ghandi come to mind.

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]

Doesn't change the fact that they believed they were doing God's will. Hell, when they looked to the pope for guidance about slavery he not only allowed it, he said God condoned it. They justified it through the teachings of Christianity and dogmatic law. Believe me, I'm in no way blasting Christianity. But history shows that though they were bigots and fools, they were bigots and fools who believed God placed them at a higher spectrum because of skin colour.

bigdcstile

The Pope is an idiot. He isnt God, nor does he converse with God. He's a catholic idol.

That wasn't the mindstate not long ago (( yes, I consider a few hundred years not long ago in comparison to how long humanity has been around )) The point stands that it was a belief that they confirmed using the teachings (( no matter how skewed )) of Christianity and their dogmatic law. I, in no way, believe that Christianity is the most violent culture in this discussion. I personally don't think any one culture or religion is the worst. But, the tone of the argument you've, and others, have set is that if it has Christianity's name on it, it wasn't the Christians. They were imposters, which really isn't true in its entirety. Many were, but not every single instance. That's just naive.

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

Doesn't change the fact that they believed they were doing God's will. Hell, when they looked to the pope for guidance about slavery he not only allowed it, he said God condoned it. They justified it through the teachings of Christianity and dogmatic law. Believe me, I'm in no way blasting Christianity. But history shows that though they were bigots and fools, they were bigots and fools who believed God placed them at a higher spectrum because of skin colour.

bigdcstile

The Pope is an idiot. He isnt God, nor does he converse with God. He's a catholic idol.

That wasn't the mindstate not long ago (( yes, I consider a few hundred years not long ago in comparison to how long humanity has been around )) The point stands that it was a belief that they confirmed using the teachings (( no matter how skewed )) of Christianity and their dogmatic law. I, in no way, believe that Christianity is the most violent culture in this discussion. I personally don't think any one culture or religion is the worst. But, the tone of the argument you've, and others, have set is that if it has Christianity's name on it, it wasn't the Christians. They were imposters, which really isn't true in its entirety. Many were, but not every single instance. That's just naive.

Being Christian means to follow Christ. So, any who condone violence or killing are not true Christians.

[QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Taegukki, I agree with you for most points. If you are a good, peaceful Christian, I certainly do not hold being involved in religion against anyone. I am a stalward ambassador for peace. It is the viewpoints of Battlefront23 that make me angry- that killing is okay if you believe you are in the right. Everyone who kills believes they are in the right. Then it will NEVER stop, and men will continue killing each other until we are all dead.

Peace to all. Wasn't that Jesus' message?

Engrish_Major

Yes, youre right. But I think that Battlefront23 is trying to say that war for the right reasons is okay. Like the allies fighting Hitler for example.

Yes, but without our violent history, war would not be necessary in the first place. It is because of borders and armies and fear that war even begins.

Some of the most perfect and powerful people in history have accomplished their legacy through peace. Jesus, MLK jr and Ghandi come to mind.

Yeah, youre right about that. However, the only reason we have armies and borders is because there are a lot of evil people in the world. We have to protect ourselves, and people that cant protect themselves. Alas, most of the time that can only be done through lethal force. Diplomacy doesnt always work. Take Iran for example, theyre most likely going to start a war in the next couple of years with Israel. If they do, should we let Israel burn or should we help them? Although, I dont think Israel needs our help, theyve never lost a war. Starting a war with them would be suicide.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Taegukki, I agree with you for most points. If you are a good, peaceful Christian, I certainly do not hold being involved in religion against anyone. I am a stalward ambassador for peace. It is the viewpoints of Battlefront23 that make me angry- that killing is okay if you believe you are in the right. Everyone who kills believes they are in the right. Then it will NEVER stop, and men will continue killing each other until we are all dead.

Peace to all. Wasn't that Jesus' message?

Taegukki

Yes, youre right. But I think that Battlefront23 is trying to say that war for the right reasons is okay. Like the allies fighting Hitler for example.

Yes, but without our violent history, war would not be necessary in the first place. It is because of borders and armies and fear that war even begins.

Some of the most perfect and powerful people in history have accomplished their legacy through peace. Jesus, MLK jr and Ghandi come to mind.

Yeah, youre right about that. However, the only reason we have armies and borders is because there are a lot of evil people in the world. We have to protect ourselves, and people that cant protect themselves. Alas, most of the time that can only be done through lethal force. Diplomacy doesnt always work. Take Iran for example, theyre most likely going to start a war in the next couple of years with Israel. If they do, should we let Israel burn or should we help them? Although, I dont think Israel needs our help, theyve never lost a war. Starting a war with them would be suicide.

Within individual countries, we have mechanisms in place that allow a civilized discourse of right and wrong. We don't invade our neighbor's house if we think they have weapons. Why can't the world act like that as a whole? Why is killing okay if it occurs outside of our borders, but not within?

[QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Taegukki, I agree with you for most points. If you are a good, peaceful Christian, I certainly do not hold being involved in religion against anyone. I am a stalward ambassador for peace. It is the viewpoints of Battlefront23 that make me angry- that killing is okay if you believe you are in the right. Everyone who kills believes they are in the right. Then it will NEVER stop, and men will continue killing each other until we are all dead.

Peace to all. Wasn't that Jesus' message?

Engrish_Major

Yes, youre right. But I think that Battlefront23 is trying to say that war for the right reasons is okay. Like the allies fighting Hitler for example.

Yes, but without our violent history, war would not be necessary in the first place. It is because of borders and armies and fear that war even begins.

Some of the most perfect and powerful people in history have accomplished their legacy through peace. Jesus, MLK jr and Ghandi come to mind.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Taegukki, I agree with you for most points. If you are a good, peaceful Christian, I certainly do not hold being involved in religion against anyone. I am a stalward ambassador for peace. It is the viewpoints of Battlefront23 that make me angry- that killing is okay if you believe you are in the right. Everyone who kills believes they are in the right. Then it will NEVER stop, and men will continue killing each other until we are all dead.

Peace to all. Wasn't that Jesus' message?

Taegukki

Yes, youre right. But I think that Battlefront23 is trying to say that war for the right reasons is okay. Like the allies fighting Hitler for example.

Yes, but without our violent history, war would not be necessary in the first place. It is because of borders and armies and fear that war even begins.

Some of the most perfect and powerful people in history have accomplished their legacy through peace. Jesus, MLK jr and Ghandi come to mind.

Yeah, youre right about that. However, the only reason we have armies and borders is because there are a lot of evil people in the world. We have to protect ourselves, and people that cant protect themselves. Alas, most of the time that can only be done through lethal force. Diplomacy doesnt always work. Take Iran for example, theyre most likely going to start a war in the next couple of years with Israel. If they do, should we let Israel burn or should we help them? Although, I dont think Israel needs our help, theyve never lost a war. Starting a war with them would be suicide.

Isreal exists because of christian nations, and isreal wins those wars from military technology from christian nations. Iran's economy is weak, if everyone else cut them off they would be destroyed in no time.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Taegukki, I agree with you for most points. If you are a good, peaceful Christian, I certainly do not hold being involved in religion against anyone. I am a stalward ambassador for peace. It is the viewpoints of Battlefront23 that make me angry- that killing is okay if you believe you are in the right. Everyone who kills believes they are in the right. Then it will NEVER stop, and men will continue killing each other until we are all dead.

Peace to all. Wasn't that Jesus' message?

Taegukki

Yes, youre right. But I think that Battlefront23 is trying to say that war for the right reasons is okay. Like the allies fighting Hitler for example.

Yes, but without our violent history, war would not be necessary in the first place. It is because of borders and armies and fear that war even begins.

Some of the most perfect and powerful people in history have accomplished their legacy through peace. Jesus, MLK jr and Ghandi come to mind.

Yeah, youre right about that. However, the only reason we have armies and borders is because there are a lot of evil people in the world. We have to protect ourselves, and people that cant protect themselves. Alas, most of the time that can only be done through lethal force. Diplomacy doesnt always work. Take Iran for example, theyre most likely going to start a war in the next couple of years with Israel. If they do, should we let Israel burn or should we help them? Although, I dont think Israel needs our help, theyve never lost a war. Starting a war with them would be suicide.

[QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Taegukki, I agree with you for most points. If you are a good, peaceful Christian, I certainly do not hold being involved in religion against anyone. I am a stalward ambassador for peace. It is the viewpoints of Battlefront23 that make me angry- that killing is okay if you believe you are in the right. Everyone who kills believes they are in the right. Then it will NEVER stop, and men will continue killing each other until we are all dead.

Peace to all. Wasn't that Jesus' message?

Engrish_Major

Yes, youre right. But I think that Battlefront23 is trying to say that war for the right reasons is okay. Like the allies fighting Hitler for example.

Yes, but without our violent history, war would not be necessary in the first place. It is because of borders and armies and fear that war even begins.

Some of the most perfect and powerful people in history have accomplished their legacy through peace. Jesus, MLK jr and Ghandi come to mind.

Yeah, youre right about that. However, the only reason we have armies and borders is because there are a lot of evil people in the world. We have to protect ourselves, and people that cant protect themselves. Alas, most of the time that can only be done through lethal force. Diplomacy doesnt always work. Take Iran for example, theyre most likely going to start a war in the next couple of years with Israel. If they do, should we let Israel burn or should we help them? Although, I dont think Israel needs our help, theyve never lost a war. Starting a war with them would be suicide.

Within individual countries, we have mechanisms in place that allow a civilized discourse of right and wrong. We don't invade our neighbor's house if we think they have weapons. Why can't the world act like that as a whole? Why is killing okay if it occurs outside of our borders, but not within?

We shouldnt attack someone because they possess WMD's, we should only attack them if they USE those weapons to kill others. Sometimes to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs.

Aztecshojobojo

Yeah the Aztecs were BRUTAL

they would give living sacrifices by throwing the victims down the stairs of their temples and ripping their hearts out and throwing them into this well.

sucks.

Alas, Taegukki and Battlefront23, it is my bedtime here on the East Coast USA. I always enjoy discussing matters with those with differing views than myself. Have a good night. Maybe resume in the morn?Engrish_Major

Lol, its 430pm on friday where I live (New Zealand). Im away for the weekend. Rain check?

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Don't forget about the Assyrians. The used to massacre whole villages as a point. They would then decapitate people and drag their bodies around cities they were currently besieging.wemhim

I gotta admit, that was pretty clever.