The Obama administration wants to inject healthy children with ANTRAX-vacine !

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#1 CHANCESUNDANCE
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yeah , NO conspiracy ...just pure madness

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'The Obama administration is wrestling with the thorny question of whether scientists should inject healthy children with the anthrax vaccine to see whether the shots would safely protect them against a bioterrorism attack.

The other option is to wait until an attack happens and then try to gather data from children whose parents agree to inoculate them in the face of an actual threat. A key working group of federal advisers in September endorsed testing, sparking objections from those who consider that step unethical, unnecessary and dangerous.'......CONT.

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scource

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/possible-study-of-anthrax-vaccines-effectiveness-in-children-stirs-debate/2011/10/13/gIQAFWLdDM_print.html

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#4 weezyfb
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we get a lot of shots at birth
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#5 ionusX
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we get a lot of shots at birthweezyfb

but now you want em shot up with the same drug that killed or medically RUINED the first emn on the ground in afghanistan.. yes this makes perfect sense.

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Only if Obama gets injected and tested on first

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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]we get a lot of shots at birthionusX

but now you want em shot up with the same drug that killed or medically RUINED the first emn on the ground in afghanistan.. yes this makes perfect sense.

It does if you want to cull the population
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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]we get a lot of shots at birthEmpCom

but now you want em shot up with the same drug that killed or medically RUINED the first emn on the ground in afghanistan.. yes this makes perfect sense.

It does if you want to cull the population

that it does my friend.. that it does..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmTL--lRJO4&feature=related

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im not sure i understand whats the problem here. can someone fill me in

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#10 ionusX
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im not sure i understand whats the problem here. can someone fill me in

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wlel 1) their going to shoot kids up with a vacinne for adults (that doesnt even work all that great tbh its practically ineffective and causes mroe side effects than its worth, and theres no real reason for it.

the only nation left that could even THINK of posing a threat is iran(out in the immideate "threat zone"(the areas the mainstream media are currently singleing out as a threat).. and iran well they cant even afford the gas bill to send a plane over there to launch a major agent attack worth discussing.

so hes doing something to your kids with a dangerous drug for absolutely no reason thats even remotely tangible.. im sorry but this cant be let off the ground. it needs to stay as "talk" nothing more

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#11 Tangmashi
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Only if Obama gets injected and tested on first

dercoo

More like his daughters and his wife.

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So kids are new labrats?
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#13 ionusX
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So kids are new labrats?Sandulf29
basically thats what you should take away from this.. his giving pharmaceutical like folks the power to shoot your kids up "in case" as a guise to find out what happens..

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[QUOTE="Sandulf29"]So kids are new labrats?ionusX

basically thats what you should take away from this.. his giving pharmaceutical like folks the power to shoot your kids up "in case" as a guise to find out what happens..

i don't think this will ever take off or else democracy fails
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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="Sandulf29"]So kids are new labrats?Sandulf29

basically thats what you should take away from this.. his giving pharmaceutical like folks the power to shoot your kids up "in case" as a guise to find out what happens..

i don't think this will ever take off or else democracy fails

well yeah basically..

its a very strange move and like if obama wnated to give those soda cracker like tin foil hat kids something to talk about he certainly didi it.. yep hes basically given them the best quality of grapeshot for their 12-gauge he could have possibly chosen... literally 15 minutes before this broke alex jones, his infowarriors and the folks at drudge had it off n spinning.. almsot like it was reflexive.

just bam and there he goes!

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I taek this drug and drug and drug. Very tasty.
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Good lord, the government wants to make you immune to a deadly disease? How could they do such a thing?
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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]we get a lot of shots at birthionusX

but now you want em shot up with the same drug that killed or medically RUINED the first emn on the ground in afghanistan.. yes this makes perfect sense.

The vaccine has minimal risk
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we get a lot of shots at birthweezyfb
Not everyone, it's up to the parents. I've never had a shot in my life and never will. I didn't read the article, but as long as it's an opt in not an opt out, because it should always be a choice. The government nor anyone else should have the power to tell me what I put into my body, because my body belongs to me!

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#20 Planeforger
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I do think it's a bit absurd to mandate vaccinations for something that will probably never be a problem. Still, I do think mandatory vaccinations are a good thing, at least for contagious illnesses. If parents refuse to vaccinate their kids against things like measles, then they're just creating foolish risks, both to their kids and the community around them.
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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]we get a lot of shots at birthweezyfb

but now you want em shot up with the same drug that killed or medically RUINED the first emn on the ground in afghanistan.. yes this makes perfect sense.

The vaccine has minimal risk

Says who? The pharmaceutical corporations that make billions of dollars off all these vaccinations?

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[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

im not sure i understand whats the problem here. can someone fill me in

ionusX

wlel 1) their going to shoot kids up with a vacinne for adults (that doesnt even work all that great tbh its practically ineffective and causes mroe side effects than its worth, and theres no real reason for it.

the only nation left that could even THINK of posing a threat is iran(out in the immideate "threat zone"(the areas the mainstream media are currently singleing out as a threat).. and iran well they cant even afford the gas bill to send a plane over there to launch a major agent attack worth discussing.

so hes doing something to your kids with a dangerous drug for absolutely no reason thats even remotely tangible.. im sorry but this cant be let off the ground. it needs to stay as "talk" nothing more

oh well i wouldnt worry that much. i mean it might not pass or has it already?

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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]we get a lot of shots at birthracer8dan

Not everyone, it's up to the parents. I've never had a shot in my life and never will. I didn't read the article, but as long as it's an opt in not an opt out, because it should always be a choice. The government nor anyone else should have the power to tell me what I put into my body, because my body belongs to me!

The ultimate irony.
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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

im not sure i understand whats the problem here. can someone fill me in

TheShadowLord07

wlel 1) their going to shoot kids up with a vacinne for adults (that doesnt even work all that great tbh its practically ineffective and causes mroe side effects than its worth, and theres no real reason for it.

the only nation left that could even THINK of posing a threat is iran(out in the immideate "threat zone"(the areas the mainstream media are currently singleing out as a threat).. and iran well they cant even afford the gas bill to send a plane over there to launch a major agent attack worth discussing.

so hes doing something to your kids with a dangerous drug for absolutely no reason thats even remotely tangible.. im sorry but this cant be let off the ground. it needs to stay as "talk" nothing more

oh well i wouldnt worry that much. i mean it might not pass or has it already?

just talk atm.. no official paperwork jsut a claim of actions yet to be.

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This is just another way for the government to control our minds. We don't need any vaccinations at birth. If we get sick, the drugs would never help anyway.

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[QUOTE="Sandulf29"]So kids are new labrats?ionusX

basically thats what you should take away from this.. his giving pharmaceutical like folks the power to shoot your kids up "in case" as a guise to find out what happens..

protectionist policies never work and only hurt the general population, but they do scare people into accepting new taxes and less freedoms. generally speaking

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This is just another way for the government to control our minds. We don't need any vaccinations at birth. If we get sick, the drugs would never help anyway.

DroidPhysX

that antrax cloud is always around the next bend just waiting for you to stop expecting it... then boom! it shoots you in the head, if only you had gotten the shot.

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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]we get a lot of shots at birthracer8dan

Not everyone, it's up to the parents. I've never had a shot in my life and never will. I didn't read the article, but as long as it's an opt in not an opt out, because it should always be a choice. The government nor anyone else should have the power to tell me what I put into my body, because my body belongs to me!

You'd like to think so, wouldn't ya.

BUT...... once there is a truly government run, socialized healthcare system, where you either take part and obay all rules or get fined or otherwise penalized, and the gubment says "take this vaccine or else".............. well, you can see where I'm going with this.

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About shots/vaccines in general....

Our son, just moments after being born, literally before he was even dressed for the first time,was given a vitamin K shot. Before leaving the hospital he also received his hepatitis shot. So, I'm not at all against vaccines/booster shots that have been tested over a substantial time so I can review some hard data. However, I will NEVER submit my son to a "new" vaccine in the first 'bunch of years' that it is out on the market. Let other parents put their kids up as lab rats first, if they choose to do so.

And just to add (because I saw another thread about this topic), my son will NOT be receiving the HPV shot.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

This is just another way for the government to control our minds. We don't need any vaccinations at birth. If we get sick, the drugs would never help anyway.

surrealnumber5

that antrax cloud is always around the next bend just waiting for you to stop expecting it... then boom! it shoots you in the head, if only you had gotten the shot.

lawl..

you reminded me of a very funny anime momment jsut now :P

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I'm not seeing enough references here to call conspiracy... oh wait, it's OT.
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#32 surrealnumber5
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the only answer i could find for the number of anthrax related deaths in the united states post 9/11 was five(5/300000000 over 10 years)..... the risk in the shots is greater than the threat they seek to protect you from, and if you take the shot it also costs money.
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#34 branketra
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Anthrax? If you ask me, this should have been brought up 10 years ago, when anthrax was all over the news. The past is the past. As long as it's safe, I don't see what the problem is.
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[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]we get a lot of shots at birthPlanet_Pluto

Not everyone, it's up to the parents. I've never had a shot in my life and never will. I didn't read the article, but as long as it's an opt in not an opt out, because it should always be a choice. The government nor anyone else should have the power to tell me what I put into my body, because my body belongs to me!

You'd like to think so, wouldn't ya.

BUT...... once there is a truly government run, socialized healthcare system, where you either take part and obay all rules or get fined or otherwise penalized, and the gubment says "take this vaccine or else".............. well, you can see where I'm going with this.

--------

About shots/vaccines in general....

Our son, just moments after being born, literally before he was even dressed for the first time,was given a vitamin K shot. Before leaving the hospital he also received his hepatitis shot. So, I'm not at all against vaccines/booster shots that have been tested over a substantial time so I can review some hard data. However, I will NEVER submit my son to a "new" vaccine in the first 'bunch of years' that it is out on the market. Let other parents put their kids up as lab rats first, if they choose to do so.

And just to add (because I saw another thread about this topic), my son will NOT be receiving the HPV shot.

Would you get your kid a flu shot?
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[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]Not everyone, it's up to the parents. I've never had a shot in my life and never will. I didn't read the article, but as long as it's an opt in not an opt out, because it should always be a choice. The government nor anyone else should have the power to tell me what I put into my body, because my body belongs to me!

krazykillaz

You'd like to think so, wouldn't ya.

BUT...... once there is a truly government run, socialized healthcare system, where you either take part and obay all rules or get fined or otherwise penalized, and the gubment says "take this vaccine or else".............. well, you can see where I'm going with this.

--------

About shots/vaccines in general....

Our son, just moments after being born, literally before he was even dressed for the first time,was given a vitamin K shot. Before leaving the hospital he also received his hepatitis shot. So, I'm not at all against vaccines/booster shots that have been tested over a substantial time so I can review some hard data. However, I will NEVER submit my son to a "new" vaccine in the first 'bunch of years' that it is out on the market. Let other parents put their kids up as lab rats first, if they choose to do so.

And just to add (because I saw another thread about this topic), my son will NOT be receiving the HPV shot.

Would you get your kid a flu shot?

I would. I actually never had a flu shot myself, until about two moths ago because the little was was soon to arrive.

I actually received the shot at my wife's OB/GYN's office..... which made me think..... since they gave me a shot and I had to sign off on it..... so now they have a file for me...... Does that mean I have a gynecologist? :lol:

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As long as no one is forced to take it.
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So even if this is true, has the United States been attacked by bio-terrorists multiple times? Because if the attacks are so rare, what's the point? It's just unnecessary and costly.

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So even if this is true, has the United States been attacked by bio-terrorists multiple times? Because if the attacks are so rare, what's the point? It's just unnecessary and costly.

leviathan91

if i wanted to try to find a reason for this it would undoubtedly lead to intentional fear, as presidential ratings improve the more scared people feel, or trying to subsidize the pharmaceutical companies that make the shots. now seriously arguing either makes you look like a crazy person so i am just going to point out the stupidity of this and leave it at that.

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[QUOTE="krazykillaz"][QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]You'd like to think so, wouldn't ya.

BUT...... once there is a truly government run, socialized healthcare system, where you either take part and obay all rules or get fined or otherwise penalized, and the gubment says "take this vaccine or else".............. well, you can see where I'm going with this.

--------

About shots/vaccines in general....

Our son, just moments after being born, literally before he was even dressed for the first time,was given a vitamin K shot. Before leaving the hospital he also received his hepatitis shot. So, I'm not at all against vaccines/booster shots that have been tested over a substantial time so I can review some hard data. However, I will NEVER submit my son to a "new" vaccine in the first 'bunch of years' that it is out on the market. Let other parents put their kids up as lab rats first, if they choose to do so.

And just to add (because I saw another thread about this topic), my son will NOT be receiving the HPV shot.

Planet_Pluto

Would you get your kid a flu shot?

I would. I actually never had a flu shot myself, until about two moths ago because the little was was soon to arrive.

I actually received the shot at my wife's OB/GYN's office..... which made me think..... since they gave me a shot and I had to sign off on it..... so now they have a file for me...... Does that mean I have a gynecologist? :lol:

They develop a brand new flu shot every year to keep up with the new strains. There are no flu shots that stay "on the market" for a bunch of years.
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#41 Planet_Pluto
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[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"] Would you get your kid a flu shot?krazykillaz

I would. I actually never had a flu shot myself, until about two moths ago because the little was was soon to arrive.

I actually received the shot at my wife's OB/GYN's office..... which made me think..... since they gave me a shot and I had to sign off on it..... so now they have a file for me...... Does that mean I have a gynecologist? :lol:

They develop a brand new flu shot every year to keep up with the new strains. There are no flu shots that stay "on the market" for a bunch of years.

Very cute, but I find myself unfazed by your "gotcha" attempt. Making annual tweaks to something that has been around 'forever' is a lot different that creating a brand new vaccine for a new potential/alleged 'problem.'

Flu shots are also a lot "cleaner" than they were even a decade ago, to use the term that our doctor used. That is, much smaller doses with less need for 'extras.'

Oh, but if you want to, you can say that all shots/vaccines have a shelf-life, so they are all "new" at the time they are administered. Who knows what screw-ups happened in the facilities they are manufactured in. Mwuahahahahaha (sorry, not sure how to spell an evil-sounding-laugh)

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[QUOTE="krazykillaz"][QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]I would. I actually never had a flu shot myself, until about two moths ago because the little was was soon to arrive.

I actually received the shot at my wife's OB/GYN's office..... which made me think..... since they gave me a shot and I had to sign off on it..... so now they have a file for me...... Does that mean I have a gynecologist? :lol:

Planet_Pluto

They develop a brand new flu shot every year to keep up with the new strains. There are no flu shots that stay "on the market" for a bunch of years.

Very cute, but I find myself unfazed by your "gotcha" attempt. Making annual tweaks to something that has been around 'forever' is a lot different that creating a brand new vaccine for a new potential/alleged 'problem.'

Flu shots are also a lot "cleaner" than they were even a decade ago, to use the term that our doctor used. That is, much smaller doses with less need for 'extras.'

Oh, but if you want to, you can say that all shots/vaccines have a shelf-life, so they are all "new" at the time they are administered. Who knows what screw-ups happened in the facilities they are manufactured in. Mwuahahahahaha (sorry, not sure how to spell an evil-sounding-laugh)

It's not a tweak. Aside from the inactive ingredients that go into every vaccine, they use a new dead virus every time. Vaccines aren't drugs, they're dead or attenuated pathogens that are used to safely allow your body to develop an immunity. That way if you're exposed to the live, dangerous pathogen, you won't get sick. It's the same for every vaccine out there.
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Please impeach the idiot now.

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[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"] They develop a brand new flu shot every year to keep up with the new strains. There are no flu shots that stay "on the market" for a bunch of years.krazykillaz

Very cute, but I find myself unfazed by your "gotcha" attempt. Making annual tweaks to something that has been around 'forever' is a lot different that creating a brand new vaccine for a new potential/alleged 'problem.'

Flu shots are also a lot "cleaner" than they were even a decade ago, to use the term that our doctor used. That is, much smaller doses with less need for 'extras.'

Oh, but if you want to, you can say that all shots/vaccines have a shelf-life, so they are all "new" at the time they are administered. Who knows what screw-ups happened in the facilities they are manufactured in. Mwuahahahahaha (sorry, not sure how to spell an evil-sounding-laugh)

It's not a tweak. Aside from the inactive ingredients that go into every vaccine, they use a new dead virus every time. Vaccines aren't drugs, they're dead or attenuated pathogens that are used to safely allow your body to develop an immunity. That way if you're exposed to the live, dangerous pathogen, you won't get sick. It's the same for every vaccine out there.

Right, so everything is the same except for the strain they use.

Or, to put it another way, how many people have received a flu shot over, say the past ten years compared to the number of males that have received the HPV vaccination? Which shot has more data to review?

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[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]It's not a tweak. Aside from the inactive ingredients that go into every vaccine, they use a new dead virus every time. Vaccines aren't drugs, they're dead or attenuated pathogens that are used to safely allow your body to develop an immunity. That way if you're exposed to the live, dangerous pathogen, you won't get sick. It's the same for every vaccine out there.Planet_Pluto

Right, so everything is the same except for the strain they use.

Or, to put it another way, how many people have received a flu shot over, say the past ten years compared to the number of males that have received the HPV vaccination? Which shot has more data to review?

It makes no difference whether the vaccine is given to a man or a woman. The immunity forms the same way for both, but to answer your question, the combined data for all flu shots over the past 10 years would without a doubt be greater than the data on HPV vaccines given to men. I don't think you're getting it though. They don't develop a new vaccine the same way they'd develop a new drug. ALL vaccines do the same thing; use a safe version of a dangerous pathogen to allow your body to develop an immunity against it.
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[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]It's not a tweak. Aside from the inactive ingredients that go into every vaccine, they use a new dead virus every time. Vaccines aren't drugs, they're dead or attenuated pathogens that are used to safely allow your body to develop an immunity. That way if you're exposed to the live, dangerous pathogen, you won't get sick. It's the same for every vaccine out there.krazykillaz

Right, so everything is the same except for the strain they use.

Or, to put it another way, how many people have received a flu shot over, say the past ten years compared to the number of males that have received the HPV vaccination? Which shot has more data to review?

It makes no difference whether the vaccine is given to a man or a woman. The immunity forms the same way for both, but to answer your question, the combined data for all flu shots over the past 10 years would without a doubt be greater than the data on HPV vaccines given to men. I don't think you're getting it though. They don't develop a new vaccine the same way they'd develop a new drug. ALL vaccines do the same thing; use a safe version of a dangerous pathogen to allow your body to develop an immunity against it.

So, item A with TONS of actual data to review is the exact same as item B with a small fraction of the amount of data.

We're not going to agree at all. All I can tell you is, as a parent, there is a difference between vaccinations that have been tried and tested for years and one which has recently been brought to the market to fight an ailment that has not been vaccinated against before. If you think those are the same, that's fine, but we don't.

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Holy god the misinterpretation of this is insane
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How to make an Obama Hate thread:

1. Find a news article that relates to the Administration.

2. Take it completely out of context.

3. Insert headline "Obama wants to [insert propaganda] on our [guns, kids, tax dollars]

4. ????

5. Profit.

For those of you that didn't actually read the article, it mentions that the Pentagon stockpiled over a billion dollars worth of anthrax vaccine in response to the 1998 scare, in case of a bioterrorism attack on the United States. Nicole Lurie, the assistant secretary of bioterrorism at the department of Health and Human services, simply asked the board to evaluate whether the vaccine should be test in children. Becase right now, they only know the affects on adults and animals. Nothing has been decided, it's only a evalution for scientific research and I'm willing to be this hasn't even been brought to Obama's attention.