[spoiler] Nah, the machine was built for Angier. Bordon never got near it nor knew how to use it. If he did, then he wouldnt need to see how the last trick was done. The Bordens were just very dedicated identical twins. [/spoiler]
[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="kbpyrokb"]but they said there was a first machine built for another magicianIantheone
Tesla was in financial troubles and lied. Also IIRC the first machine didnt work. I don't think there even was a first machine. Borden knew of Tesla only from that brief show in London. He lied to Angiers that Tesla was the answer to his trick, just to toy with him. Meanwhile Tesla has a functional cloning device. :P
[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Tesla was in financial troubles and lied. Also IIRC the first machine didnt work. I don't think there even was a first machine. Borden knew of Tesla only from that brief show in London. He lied to Angiers that Tesla was the answer to his trick, just to toy with him. Meanwhile Tesla has a functional cloning device. :P But I do remember that Tesla had made something for another magician. Cant really remember what it was.
[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Iantheone"] Also IIRC the first machine didnt work. I don't think there even was a first machine. Borden knew of Tesla only from that brief show in London. He lied to Angiers that Tesla was the answer to his trick, just to toy with him. Meanwhile Tesla has a functional cloning device. :P But I do remember that Tesla had made something for another magician. Cant really remember what it was. Nah, later he admits that he lied about that. He was persecuted and needed the money.
[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] I don't think there even was a first machine. Borden knew of Tesla only from that brief show in London. He lied to Angiers that Tesla was the answer to his trick, just to toy with him. Meanwhile Tesla has a functional cloning device. :P But I do remember that Tesla had made something for another magician. Cant really remember what it was. Nah, later he admits that he lied about that. He was persecuted and needed the money. Sweet, then there is the answer. Either way, I love this movie. Its one of the few that I love to see people watch for the first time. Listen to them develop their own theories though out the movie.
[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Forza4Champion"] Horrible movie.I can't believe I wasted $8.00 to see this. One of Christian bale's worst movies. So whats his best one? American Psycho That was a masterpiece
No, [spoiler] he was Albert and Fredrick Borden, living one life (Albert + Fredrick = Alfred); it is explained much better in the book. [/spoiler] The machine was built for Angier, Borden never even met Tesla.
[QUOTE="Forza4Champion"][QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Forza4Champion"] Horrible movie.I can't believe I wasted $8.00 to see this. One of Christian bale's worst movies. So whats his best one? American Psycho That was a masterpiece Fair enough. I was expecting something like Batman :P I generally dont like him as an actor because of that weird growly thing he does with his voice. It really annoys me.
I didn't really like the movie that much... I found the characters unlikable.
I don't think that Christopher Nolan is really good with characters... Inception's biggest flaw was the dull characters.
I don't think the characters are really supposed to be likeable. They are both jerks obsessed with outwitting the other; however, I found myself feeling for them anyway. It's more about the conflict between them than the developement of the characters. I think it's worth noting that Borden is even worse in the book, and not a sypmathetic caracter at all.
I didn't really like the movie that much... I found the characters unlikable.
I don't think that Christopher Nolan is really good with characters... Inception's biggest flaw was the dull characters.
I don't think the characters are really supposed to be likeable. They are both jerks obsessed with outwitting the other; however, I found myself feeling for them anyway. It's more about the conflict between them than the developement of the characters. I think it's worth noting that Borden is even worse in the book, and not a sypmathetic caracter at all. I suppose. I guess I kinda didn't like how they tried to make one of them all sympathetic by giving him a daughter, when he really wasn't any better than the other one.
I didn't really like the movie that much... I found the characters unlikable.
I don't think that Christopher Nolan is really good with characters... Inception's biggest flaw was the dull characters.
I don't think the characters are really supposed to be likeable. They are both jerks obsessed with outwitting the other; however, I found myself feeling for them anyway. It's more about the conflict between them than the developement of the characters. I think it's worth noting that Borden is even worse in the book, and not a sypmathetic caracter at all. I suppose. I guess I kinda didn't like how they tried to make one of them all sympathetic by giving him a daughter, when he really wasn't any better than the other one. It's strange because Angier is the one with a family in the book.
when i watched the movie i just thought that borden used the machine to make frederick, then instead of killing him like hugh jackmans character does he just worked with him. shows how much i know...good movie regardless of how much i understood it lol, I got into a heated debate over the whole transfer of conciousness and how he suicides all the time etc, its really hard to wrap your mind around what exactly happens in the machine and it makes you think about what constitutes being alive. deep.
[QUOTE="Forza4Champion"][QUOTE="Iantheone"] So whats his best one?Iantheone
American Psycho That was a masterpiece Fair enough. I was expecting something like Batman :P I generally dont like him as an actor because of that weird growly thing he does with his voice. It really annoys me.
yuo should watch Empire of the Sun then, he has a nice prepubescent boy voice in that :P
Seriously, though, I think that is his best movie. American Psycho is a close second, with The Machinest in third (even though I didnt like it, his acting and immersion in that role was amazing)
when i watched the movie i just thought that borden used the machine to make frederick, then instead of killing him like hugh jackmans character does he just worked with him. shows how much i know...good movie regardless of how much i understood it lol, I got into a heated debate over the whole transfer of conciousness and how he suicides all the time etc, its really hard to wrap your mind around what exactly happens in the machine and it makes you think about what constitutes being alive. deep.Gator08
Borden used Tesla's name as the "secret to his trick" to send Angier on a wild goose chase. [spoiler] There were two Borden brothers (AKA Cutter was right the entire time, he used a double; his twin) [/spoiler] which is why he says at the beginning that nobody else can do his trick. This all leads back to the opening monologue about how "You're looking for the secret, but you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to know the secret. You want to be fooled." The entire thing is forshadowed near the beginning when Sarah's nephew sees the bird get killed, and Borden says "See? He's fine" to which he replies "But where's his brother?"
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