When it comes to abortion, either it's a human life worth saving or it's not. The only other option is to admit that you don't actually care about the fetus, you just think that pregnancy should be punishment for recreational sex.
[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="23crossdressers"]Don't have sex, won't have children. simple as that. Fightingfan
Wear a condom and pull it out. Condom and the pill, and I think it's pretty damn hard to get a chick prego. It is. You have to be an idiot, or some really rare unfortunate thing happens.
[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] Wear a condom and pull it out. Condom and the pill, and I think it's pretty damn hard to get a chick prego. It is. You have to be an idiot, or some really rare unfortunate thing happens. I never understood how anyone can't tell a condom broke. Don't you feel the sugar walls better when you raw dog, and if you see some juices missing run to walgreens and get a plan b pill.
[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Condom and the pill, and I think it's pretty damn hard to get a chick prego. It is. You have to be an idiot, or some really rare unfortunate thing happens. I never understood how anyone can't tell a condom broke. Don't you feel the sugar walls better when you raw dog, and if you see some juices missing run to walgreens and get a plan b pill. Indeed lol.
[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] Wear a condom and pull it out. Condom and the pill, and I think it's pretty damn hard to get a chick prego. It is. You have to be an idiot, or some really rare unfortunate thing happens. my load overflowed out the condom so i don't trust condoms no more
[QUOTE="playmynutz"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Condom and the pill, and I think it's pretty damn hard to get a chick prego. It is. You have to be an idiot, or some really rare unfortunate thing happens. my load overflowed out the condom so i don't trust condoms no more Pull it out and the pill.
They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.
If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.
Laihendi
You should be allowed to have an abortion up to and including 10 weeks post birth. because sometimes, you really dont know what you're getting into until you actually do it.
Exactly, which is why we must deny the existence of life until its convenient. 32 weeks.
sonicare
I think the effort/discussion needs to be made regarding what constitutes life/children. Is destroying a clump of cells murder as some say? If so, then I'd make the argument that abortion should be illegal under almost all circumstances. Likewise, is destroying a fetus days before birth murder? One could make a strong argument for that case. There's a lot of gray area in between that should be explored on scientific and ethical grounds, but it's hard to do so in a civil manner with all the shouting going on over the subject. Regardless of the cutoff point, arbitrary or not, I'd like to see us stop treating it as a person in some cases and not one in others during the same point in development (I'm referring, specifically, to the weird double standard in our legal system of treating a first or second trimester fetus as not a child when the mother gets an abortion but treating a fetus in the same stage of development as a person when someone murders the mother, thereby resulting in two murder charges).
They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.
If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.
sonicare
You should be allowed to have an abortion up to and including 10 weeks post birth. because sometimes, you really dont know what you're getting into until you actually do it. A woman should be able to abort at any point in the pregnancy because a fetus is a leech with no claim of ownership on the mother's body.
They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.
If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.
Laihendi
You should be allowed to have an abortion up to and including 10 weeks post birth. because sometimes, you really dont know what you're getting into until you actually do it. A woman should be able to abort at any point in the pregnancy because a fetus is a leech with no claim of ownership on the mother's body.
Weak argument, a child is a "leech" off a woman's care, money, food. I suppose she should have the right to kill her child too because it's dependant on her right?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]yeah this is something a virgin for life says....
MakeMeaSammitch
Or someone that knows that is the only 100% way to not procreate....the real world says hi.
why do you put "...." at the end of every sentence?
What do you mean real world says hi. He's statement does fit the real world. It's a true statement. Whether people follow that path or not is a different thing. You can have sex and still not have children by being careful using condoms or birth-control pills.
A woman should be able to abort at any point in the pregnancy because a fetus is a leech with no claim of ownership on the mother's body.Laihendi
I sense that this statement will be in someone's sig in the near future.
I also agree with the TC. I also think that a person shouldn't be able to say what another person can do with their body. I'm not sure what my wife and I would have done if we didn't have any options when we found out our first pregnancy was ectopic.
Perhaps it is, but making exceptions for those things is still a far better viewpoint than not making exceptions. Forcing a woman to go through a pregnancy after she has been raped is pretty disgusting.
And on abortion in general, people can debate the morality of it all they want, but when it comes down to it, because the fetus is attached to the mother's body, the decision is hers. For the sake of practicality, the current laws recognize this reality.
They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.
If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.
Laihendi
You should be allowed to have an abortion up to and including 10 weeks post birth. because sometimes, you really dont know what you're getting into until you actually do it. A woman should be able to abort at any point in the pregnancy because a fetus is a leech with no claim of ownership on the mother's body.
I'm curious what your opinion is on adults on life support or other instances where an individual is only capable of surviving because of the support of others.
This is obsurdly incorrect. A fetus is only a leech or parasite if it was unwanted. When you voluntarily engage in sexual intercourse you are by default saying it is ok for the woman to get pregnant. There is only one possible and logical reason for having sex and that is reproduction. If the purpose of sex is reproduction, and she voluntarily has sex, then that means she voluntarily got pregnant. If she wanted to have sex, and there is only one logical reason to have sex which is reproduction, then it must be followed that she wanted to get pregnant, whether she consciously wanted to or not doesn't matter.hoola
This makes no sense. In the real world (as opposed to the world of your black and white logic), people often have sex without wanting a pregnancy. That sex results in reproduction doesn't in any way speak to a woman's intentions/motivations. Your logic is completely out of whack. Sex resulting in reproduction does not magically make a woman have the intention to get pregnant. People do have sex for other reasons besides procreating.
And you have absolutely no logical justification for saying that "whether she consciously wanted to or not doesn't matter." You're just saying it doesn't matter to suit your preconceived notions. In other words, her conscious desires are inconvenient to your argument, so you arbritrarily say they are irrelevant.
They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.
If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.
Laihendi
You should be allowed to have an abortion up to and including 10 weeks post birth. because sometimes, you really dont know what you're getting into until you actually do it. A woman should be able to abort at any point in the pregnancy because a fetus is a leech with no claim of ownership on the mother's body.
This is obsurdly incorrect. A fetus is only a leech or parasite if it was unwanted. When you voluntarily engage in sexual intercourse you are by default saying it is ok for the woman to get pregnant. There is only one possible and logical reason for having sex and that is reproduction. If the purpose of sex is reproduction, and she voluntarily has sex, then that means she voluntarily got pregnant. If she wanted to have sex, and there is only one logical reason to have sex which is reproduction, then it must be followed that she wanted to get pregnant, whether she consciously wanted to or not doesn't matter. Her body was telling her to so she did. It is a game played between the mind and the body and it applies to all uges. Very few people consciously want to get fat, but our bodies crave certain fatty foods that will allow us to gain weight quickly. You didn't want to, but at the same time you did and you cannot punnish another person (the fetus) for your own uncontrollable actions.
Now, if a woman was raped, then she obviously doesn't want the child. That means the fetus is a leech and a parasite just as much as the rapist. If she is allowed to defend herself from the rapist who forced himself upon her, then she is also allowed to defend herself from the fetus that forced itself upon her as well.
Whether it was voluntary or not makes all the difference.
Although, when it comes down to it, government shouldn't be regulating this at all. The federal government should protect us for foreign enemies and that is it.
I agree but it is less intellectually dishonest than pro-choice poeple who support arbitrary dates on when people can have abortions (like only before a baby is viable), and the people who support murder charges for someone other than the mother who kills a fetus.
They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.
If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.
Laihendi
You should be allowed to have an abortion up to and including 10 weeks post birth. because sometimes, you really dont know what you're getting into until you actually do it. A woman should be able to abort at any point in the pregnancy because a fetus is a leech with no claim of ownership on the mother's body.
guess you never left the leech stage, huh.
Either way abortion is perfectly fine until brain activity starts (a fetus is just a hunk of meat before then) and should be done on a case by case basis afterwords.
You speak as if every case should be treated the same. Clearly a simple minded way of thought which is why our law system is crap. People like you are what ruin it. Every element should always be considered in an event.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"] A woman should be able to abort at any point in the pregnancy because a fetus is a leech with no claim of ownership on the mother's body.jimkabrhel
I sense that this statement will be in someone's sig in the near future.
I also agree with the TC. I also think that a person shouldn't be able to say what another person can do with their body. I'm not sure what my wife and I would have done if we didn't have any options when we found out our first pregnancy was ectopic.
I'm curious what your opinion is on adults on life support or other instances where an individual is only capable of surviving because of the support of others.11Chuck
Either way abortion is perfectly fine until brain activity starts (a fetus is just a hunk of meat before then) and should be done on a case by case basis afterwords.frannkzappa
Pretty much how I feel. What I'll never get is these countries that refuse to abort fetuses that have died in the womb and cause a major threat to the mothers life, how the hell can they think that makes sense.
They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.
If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.
Laihendi
You should be allowed to have an abortion up to and including 10 weeks post birth. because sometimes, you really dont know what you're getting into until you actually do it. A woman should be able to abort at any point in the pregnancy because a fetus is a leech with no claim of ownership on the mother's body. If you truly believe this, than do you see any problem with parents starving babies and throwing them out in the cold to die because they are a leech on the parents and have no claim of ownership?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Or someone that knows that is the only 100% way to not procreate....LJS9502_basic
the real world says hi.
why do you put "...." at the end of every sentence?
I think it's known in the real world dude....I saying it's silly to say, because in the real world, most people are going to be having sex outside of marriage.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]the real world says hi.
why do you put "...." at the end of every sentence?
MakeMeaSammitch
I think it's known in the real world dude....I saying it's silly to say, because in the real world, most people are going to be having sex outside of marriage. I'm not going to make any guess as to how many are...but that doesn't change the fact that they know the only way to be 100% sure a baby won't develop is to abstain. Anything else is playing the lottery.....sure the odds vary by birth control method but it's still not 100%. Not sure why you felt the need to argue that statement.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I think it's known in the real world dude....LJS9502_basic
I saying it's silly to say, because in the real world, most people are going to be having sex outside of marriage. I'm not going to make any guess as to how many are...but that doesn't change the fact that they know the only way to be 100% sure a baby won't develop is to abstain. Anything else is playing the lottery.....sure the odds vary by birth control method but it's still not 100%. Not sure why you felt the need to argue that statement.cause it's silly, said it 3 times now.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I think it's known in the real world dude....LJS9502_basic
I saying it's silly to say, because in the real world, most people are going to be having sex outside of marriage. I'm not going to make any guess as to how many are...but that doesn't change the fact that they know the only way to be 100% sure a baby won't develop is to abstain. Anything else is playing the lottery.....sure the odds vary by birth control method but it's still not 100%. Not sure why you felt the need to argue that statement.
Not really. Vasectomies, for instance, are a pretty much absolute way to avoid pregnancy while still having sex. Sure failures have been known, but the failure rate is less than 1%. At that point I'd say the arguments are getting rather pedantic.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="sonicare"] You should be allowed to have an abortion up to and including 10 weeks post birth. because sometimes, you really dont know what you're getting into until you actually do it. hoola
A woman should be able to abort at any point in the pregnancy because a fetus is a leech with no claim of ownership on the mother's body.
This is obsurdly incorrect. A fetus is only a leech or parasite if it was unwanted. When you voluntarily engage in sexual intercourse you are by default saying it is ok for the woman to get pregnant. There is only one possible and logical reason for having sex and that is reproduction. If the purpose of sex is reproduction, and she voluntarily has sex, then that means she voluntarily got pregnant. If she wanted to have sex, and there is only one logical reason to have sex which is reproduction, then it must be followed that she wanted to get pregnant, whether she consciously wanted to or not doesn't matter. Her body was telling her to so she did. It is a game played between the mind and the body and it applies to all uges. Very few people consciously want to get fat, but our bodies crave certain fatty foods that will allow us to gain weight quickly. You didn't want to, but at the same time you did and you cannot punnish another person (the fetus) for your own uncontrollable actions.
Now, if a woman was raped, then she obviously doesn't want the child. That means the fetus is a leech and a parasite just as much as the rapist. If she is allowed to defend herself from the rapist who forced himself upon her, then she is also allowed to defend herself from the fetus that forced itself upon her as well.
Whether it was voluntary or not makes all the difference.
Although, when it comes down to it, government shouldn't be regulating this at all. The federal government should protect us for foreign enemies and that is it.
Your point is moot because sex is also fun, feels good, and a good bonding experience for two (or more) individuals comfortable enough with each other to do so. More reasons than just the biological one of reproducing.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]I saying it's silly to say, because in the real world, most people are going to be having sex outside of marriage.
worlock77
I'm not going to make any guess as to how many are...but that doesn't change the fact that they know the only way to be 100% sure a baby won't develop is to abstain. Anything else is playing the lottery.....sure the odds vary by birth control method but it's still not 100%. Not sure why you felt the need to argue that statement.
Not really. Vasectomies, for instance, are a pretty much absolute way to avoid pregnancy while still having sex. Sure failures have been known, but the failure rate is less than 1%. At that point I'd say the arguments are getting rather pedantic.
Well I assumed the initial dude was talking about general population and not infertile or surgically altered...because that would be going into pedantic areas.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'm not going to make any guess as to how many are...but that doesn't change the fact that they know the only way to be 100% sure a baby won't develop is to abstain. Anything else is playing the lottery.....sure the odds vary by birth control method but it's still not 100%. Not sure why you felt the need to argue that statement.LJS9502_basic
Not really. Vasectomies, for instance, are a pretty much absolute way to avoid pregnancy while still having sex. Sure failures have been known, but the failure rate is less than 1%. At that point I'd say the arguments are getting rather pedantic.
Well I assumed the initial dude was talking about general population and not infertile or surgically altered...because that would be going into pedantic areas.
Even still, general birth control measures like condoms and the pill are near 100% (well, reaching percentages in the upper 90s) effective when used properly.
[QUOTE="playmynutz"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Condom and the pill, and I think it's pretty damn hard to get a chick prego. It is. You have to be an idiot, or some really rare unfortunate thing happens. my load overflowed out the condom so i don't trust condoms no more After just 1 go?
They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.
If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.
sonicare
You should be allowed to have an abortion up to and including 10 weeks post birth. because sometimes, you really dont know what you're getting into until you actually do it. ?!?
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