The prolife-except-for-rape-and-incest point of view is intellectually dishonest

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Not really. Vasectomies, for instance, are a pretty much absolute way to avoid pregnancy while still having sex. Sure failures have been known, but the failure rate is less than 1%. At that point I'd say the arguments are getting rather pedantic.

worlock77

Even still, general birth control measures like condoms and the pill are near 100% (well, reaching percentages in the upper 90s) effective when used properly.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]

They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.

If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.

jeremiah06

There is only one possible and logical reason for having sex and that is reproduction.hoola

I disagree, a dichotomy like that oversimplifies the situation.  I don't believe there is any point before the actual birth where we can legitimately say this is life and it has rights, and before this it was not life.  Sperm is technically life, ovaraies are technically life, they don't go from being not life to suddenly being life simply because of conception.

I also disagree on this whole right to life. the fetus cannot operate on its own before birth.  Even if it can control most of its bodily functions near the end, it is still dependent on the woman to give birth successfully before it can operate as a truly independent biological organism.  Up until that point it is the mother's responsibility and therefore it is within her power to make her own moral decision on whether or not to have an abortion.  Of course, that the fetus can feel pain at certain stages should be taken into account, but that is where doctors come into play.  This is a decision that should be solely between a woman and her doctor, regardless of rape.  Really, although I disagree with the point of view the TC is arguing against, his argument still boils down to tu quoque.

Most people with an anti-abortion slant don't give a sh!t about the child after it is born. They only care about enforcing their religious views on people they don't even know.Zeviander

To be fair, not everyone who is pro-life is religious (or vice versa), and not everyone who opposes abortion is pro-life.chessmaster1989