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#1 killzowned24
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:P

 

''By 10-7, the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations moved the measure to a full Senate vote, expected next week.''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23967190

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Awesome, lets spend more time and money bombing brown people.
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Awesome, lets spend more time and money bombing brown people. HoolaHoopMan
well, if assad would just put all his arms out in the open and move the brown people away from them, they wouldn't be getting bombed.
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Awesome, lets spend more time and money bombing brown people. comp_atkins
well, if assad would just put all his arms out in the open and move the brown people away from them, they wouldn't be getting bombed.

mhm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMwc1c0HRQ

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the US should just bomb both parties.

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the US should just bomb both parties.

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Exactly. Bomb the nasty people on both sides or do nothing.
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the US should just bomb both parties.

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This.
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Just read what McCain added at the last minute. This will never pass in the House.
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[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"]

the US should just bomb both parties.

KC_Hokie
Exactly. Bomb the nasty people on both sides or do nothing.

The mission is to downgrade his ability to cause any more chem attacks.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"]

the US should just bomb both parties.

killzowned24
Exactly. Bomb the nasty people on both sides or do nothing.

The mission is to downgrade his ability to cause any more chem attacks.

Which is basically impossible. He's already moved his missiles underground or into civilian areas. Assad has had way too much time to prepare.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"]

the US should just bomb both parties.

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Exactly. Bomb the nasty people on both sides or do nothing.

The mission is to downgrade his ability to cause any more chem attacks.

Ya, while creating more problems at the same time. Sounds like a great idea. I mean this mission doesn't sound like anything from the past or anything.
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world police
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Turning into world vigilantes.
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I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? If the world feels we need to strike, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Exactly. Bomb the nasty people on both sides or do nothing.

The mission is to downgrade his ability to cause any more chem attacks.

Which is basically impossible. He's already moved his missiles underground or into civilian areas. Assad has had way too much time to prepare.

Its mostly artillery rockets or bombs. Bombs need aircraft, rockets artillery needs a launcher. He hasn't hidden those
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I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? if we attack, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

The_Lipscomb

We won't even have the UK with us. Their parliament voted no. France's parliament could vote no as well.

We're doing this alone. Not even a tiny 'coalition of the willing".

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] The mission is to downgrade his ability to cause any more chem attacks.Person0
Which is basically impossible. He's already moved his missiles underground or into civilian areas. Assad has had way too much time to prepare.

Its mostly artillery rockets or bombs. Bombs need aircraft, rockets artillery needs a launcher. He hasn't hidden those

There are no plans to bomb airbases. Scuds and other missiles have already been moved underground or into civilian areas.

That's what happens when you announce what you're going to do 2+ weeks before you do it.

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[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? if we attack, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

KC_Hokie

We won't even have the UK with us. Their parliament voted no. France's parliament could vote no as well.

We're doing this alone. Not even a tiny 'coalition of the willing".

That should tell this country something then.. and good for the U.K for not joining.. more of out allies need to start backing out to send us a message.
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Ha, how OT Americans went from anti-war to all-out genocide. Classic.
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Oh no, not the chemical way to die! Yay, there goes another country.
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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Ha, how OT Americans went from anti-war to all-out genocide. Classic.

Someone doesn't know what genocide is.
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[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? if we attack, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

KC_Hokie

We won't even have the UK with us. Their parliament voted no. France's parliament could vote no as well.

We're doing this alone. Not even a tiny 'coalition of the willing".

Is the freedom fry going to make a return?
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Also you guys are clearly idiotic if you think you're getting involved into a random Middle Eastern country for nothing. When was the world ever that simple? "ZOMG brown people are getting gassed by an oppressive dictator! Lets go help!" - said no American (politician) ever.
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Which is basically impossible. He's already moved his missiles underground or into civilian areas. Assad has had way too much time to prepare.KC_Hokie

Its mostly artillery rockets or bombs. Bombs need aircraft, rockets artillery needs a launcher. He hasn't hidden those

There are no plans to bomb airbases. Scuds and other missiles have already been moved underground or into civilian areas.

That's what happens when you announce what you're going to do 2+ weeks before you do it.

I doubt all of his weapons are moved underground because that would give the rebels a huge advantage without aircraft bombings and artillery hitting them constantly.
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Ha, how OT Americans went from anti-war to all-out genocide. Classic.

Someone doesn't know what genocide is.

I know what bombing a country altogether means.
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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Ha, how OT Americans went from anti-war to all-out genocide. Classic.

Someone doesn't know what genocide is.

I know what bombing a country altogether means.

But you don't know what genocide is.
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Ha, how OT Americans went from anti-war to all-out genocide. Classic.Victorious_Fize
I've been anti war since I was a kid during 9/11.. and I'm still anti-war now.. The last necessary war we were in most recent times is world war 2.. Once Vietnam hit.. this country has been starting horrible wars that don't really hold our interest.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Its mostly artillery rockets or bombs. Bombs need aircraft, rockets artillery needs a launcher. He hasn't hidden thosePerson0

There are no plans to bomb airbases. Scuds and other missiles have already been moved underground or into civilian areas.

That's what happens when you announce what you're going to do 2+ weeks before you do it.

I doubt all of his weapons are moved underground because that would give the rebels a huge advantage without aircraft bombings and artillery hitting them constantly.

We aren't targeting airbases. So the air force is acting as normal. The delivery systems for chemical weapons will simply be moved out of storage the day after Obama's stupid little strike.
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[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? if we attack, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

KC_Hokie

We won't even have the UK with us. Their parliament voted no. France's parliament could vote no as well.

We're doing this alone. Not even a tiny 'coalition of the willing".

Do you have a link where the U.K says they're out? I haven't been reading the news since it's always so biased.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? if we attack, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

The_Lipscomb

We won't even have the UK with us. Their parliament voted no. France's parliament could vote no as well.

We're doing this alone. Not even a tiny 'coalition of the willing".

Do you have a link where the U.K says they're out? I haven't been reading the news since it's always so biased.

UK parliament voted like a week ago.
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[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] We won't even have the UK with us. Their parliament voted no. France's parliament could vote no as well.

We're doing this alone. Not even a tiny 'coalition of the willing".

KC_Hokie
Do you have a link where the U.K says they're out? I haven't been reading the news since it's always so biased.

UK parliament voted like a week ago.

Did they? I wasn't paying attention then.
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[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] Do you have a link where the U.K says they're out? I haven't been reading the news since it's always so biased.

UK parliament voted like a week ago.

Did they? I wasn't paying attention then.

Yup and it was a big shock for the Prime Minister. He was convinced he was easily going to get the vote.
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] There are no plans to bomb airbases. Scuds and other missiles have already been moved underground or into civilian areas.

That's what happens when you announce what you're going to do 2+ weeks before you do it.

KC_Hokie
I doubt all of his weapons are moved underground because that would give the rebels a huge advantage without aircraft bombings and artillery hitting them constantly.

We aren't targeting airbases. So the air force is acting as normal. The delivery systems for chemical weapons will simply be moved out of storage the day after Obama's stupid little strike.

If we use any aircraft during the strike we aren't going to leave their air force untouched since that would be a threat to our aircraft. Grouping things together might help us take out delivery systems, we probably know where they put them so some nice bunker busters would take out underground systems.
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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Person0"] Someone doesn't know what genocide is.Person0
I know what bombing a country altogether means.

But you don't know what genocide is.

Apologies, I always forget how hundreds of thousands of civillian casualties are irrelevant because it's not teh systematic. :roll:

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Person0"] I doubt all of his weapons are moved underground because that would give the rebels a huge advantage without aircraft bombings and artillery hitting them constantly.Person0
We aren't targeting airbases. So the air force is acting as normal. The delivery systems for chemical weapons will simply be moved out of storage the day after Obama's stupid little strike.

If we use any aircraft during the strike we aren't going to leave their air force untouched since that would be a threat to our aircraft. Grouping things together might help us take out delivery systems, we probably know where they put them so some nice bunker busters would take out underground systems.

The strike is going to be via cruise missiles (can't hit underground targets). And they aren't touching the air force.

This whole strike is symbolic at best and incredibly stupid.

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] I know what bombing a country altogether means.Victorious_Fize

But you don't know what genocide is.

Apologies, I always forget how hundreds of thousands of civillian casualties are irrelevant because it's not teh systematic. :roll:

This isn't Iraq...
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I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? If the world feels we need to strike, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

The_Lipscomb
It's simple really.Nobody else has the amazing assets that the US does.
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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Ha, how OT Americans went from anti-war to all-out genocide. Classic.The_Lipscomb

I've been anti war since I was a kid during 9/11.. and I'm still anti-war now.. The last necessary war we were in most recent times is world war 2.. Once Vietnam hit.. this country has been starting horrible wars that don't really hold our interest.

Now this is what you call consistency. Some OTers here switch sides from anti-war to the jingoistically insane as soon as it starts. I don't get the big idea, if you don't war, say and it and keep saying it, comments like "bomb the entire country" is faaaaar from "I don't want us to go to war".
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] UK parliament voted like a week ago.

Did they? I wasn't paying attention then.

Yup and it was a big shock for the Prime Minister. He was convinced he was easily going to get the vote.

The brits are just being pansies. They still agree that Assad did it.
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[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? If the world feels we need to strike, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

killzowned24
It's simple really.Nobody else has the amazing assets that the US does.

That's not true. The Arab league plus Turkey could perform these strikes. We know they could....we sold them all the planes.
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]We aren't targeting airbases. So the air force is acting as normal. The delivery systems for chemical weapons will simply be moved out of storage the day after Obama's stupid little strike.KC_Hokie

If we use any aircraft during the strike we aren't going to leave their air force untouched since that would be a threat to our aircraft. Grouping things together might help us take out delivery systems, we probably know where they put them so some nice bunker busters would take out underground systems.

The strike is going to be via cruise missiles (can't hit underground targets). And they aren't touching the air force.

This whole strike is symbolic at best and incredibly stupid.

Incredibly stupid.. there we go.. That's really all that needs to be said.. Obama and this government are **** idiots.. I feel like we could round up a group of everyday people from around this country and they would do a better job.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] Did they? I wasn't paying attention then.killzowned24
Yup and it was a big shock for the Prime Minister. He was convinced he was easily going to get the vote.

The brits are just being pansies. They still agree that Assad did it.

They've already voted no. They aren't with us.

You know something is a really bad idea if the UK isn't even with us.

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]We aren't targeting airbases. So the air force is acting as normal. The delivery systems for chemical weapons will simply be moved out of storage the day after Obama's stupid little strike.KC_Hokie

If we use any aircraft during the strike we aren't going to leave their air force untouched since that would be a threat to our aircraft. Grouping things together might help us take out delivery systems, we probably know where they put them so some nice bunker busters would take out underground systems.

The strike is going to be via cruise missiles (can't hit underground targets). And they aren't touching the air force.

This whole strike is symbolic at best and incredibly stupid.

Sends a message about using chemical weapons.
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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] But you don't know what genocide is.Person0

Apologies, I always forget how hundreds of thousands of civillian casualties are irrelevant because it's not teh systematic. :roll:

This isn't Iraq...

Haven't you read the thread? People suggested bombing the country altogether, as opposed to military sites. Ironically, they were vehemently anti-war not too long ago. I get that it's anger pouring in, but it's not consistent, is childish, offensive, and downright lacking in principle. It's genocidal to suggest indiscriminately leveling an entire country with all its citizenry. As if it being war-battered not enough.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] If we use any aircraft during the strike we aren't going to leave their air force untouched since that would be a threat to our aircraft. Grouping things together might help us take out delivery systems, we probably know where they put them so some nice bunker busters would take out underground systems.The_Lipscomb

The strike is going to be via cruise missiles (can't hit underground targets). And they aren't touching the air force.

This whole strike is symbolic at best and incredibly stupid.

Incredibly stupid.. there we go.. That's really all that needs to be said.. Obama and this government are **** idiots.. I feel like we could round up a group of everyday people from around this country and they would do a better job.

Obama has no foreign policy and no allies willing to join his idiotic, symbolic strike.

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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? If the world feels we need to strike, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

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It's simple really.Nobody else has the amazing assets that the US does.

That's not true. The Arab league plus Turkey could perform these strikes. We know they could....we sold them all the planes.

Planes vs Syria air defenses = bad idea. Unless cruise missiles are used to weaken them.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] If we use any aircraft during the strike we aren't going to leave their air force untouched since that would be a threat to our aircraft. Grouping things together might help us take out delivery systems, we probably know where they put them so some nice bunker busters would take out underground systems.Person0

The strike is going to be via cruise missiles (can't hit underground targets). And they aren't touching the air force.

This whole strike is symbolic at best and incredibly stupid.

Sends a message about using chemical weapons.

lol...no it doesn't. Watch Assad strike using chemical weapons a few days later.
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] It's simple really.Nobody else has the amazing assets that the US does.

That's not true. The Arab league plus Turkey could perform these strikes. We know they could....we sold them all the planes.

Planes vs Syria air defenses = bad idea. Unless cruise missiles are used to weaken them.

No. You can use air to surface missiles without even flying in their airspace.
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]That's not true. The Arab league plus Turkey could perform these strikes. We know they could....we sold them all the planes.KC_Hokie
Planes vs Syria air defenses = bad idea. Unless cruise missiles are used to weaken them.

No. You can use air to surface missiles without even flying in their airspace.

And they can use SAMs back.
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Apologies, I always forget how hundreds of thousands of civillian casualties are irrelevant because it's not teh systematic. :roll:Victorious_Fize
This isn't Iraq...

Haven't you read the thread? People suggested bombing the country altogether, as opposed to military sites. Ironically, they were vehemently anti-war not too long ago. I get that it's anger pouring in, but it's not consistent, is childish, offensive, and downright lacking in principle. It's genocidal to suggest indiscriminately leveling an entire country with all its citizenry. As if it being war-battered not enough.

You make a great point.. This is what is sad.. People changing their viewpoints to hold interest with others. If you're seriously anti war.. It takes a lot for you to admit that we need to go to war or strike another country.. If syria used a huge chemical weapon, that was seeping into other countries and the world..Then that's when I would start to become concerned and feel hey, youre know threatning our country, we now have a problem type of deal. They use chemical weapons once (shorter radius )..and we start banging the war/drone strikes drums, and don't even really know who even caused it.