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#101 TruthTellers
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How about that John McCain playing poker on his phone before the hearing and then votes in favor of authorizing force saying, "[The] strategy must degrade the military capabilities of the Assad regime while upgrading the military capabilities of moderate Syrian opposition forces." For a man who is a veteran and was a POW, he seems awfully keen on sending others into harms way. The man is obviously senile and it's a good thing he never won the election in 2008.
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#102 killzowned24
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] No, it's because this strike is purely symbolic and idiotic. It will be used as propaganda by Assad if the strikes are weak. If they are heavier it will help Al-Qaeda.KC_Hokie
I suggest you watch the US debate because that came up, and Kerry agreed that Assad will do just that because that is not the purpose of the action,it's only to downgrade his ability.

Yea exactly...symbolic strike. Assad has had 2+ weeks to prepare for these strikes too. He's moved everything around.

Like this? It boggles the mind we have posters like you defending that scum. ''Syrian regime moves prisoners to likely targets of western military strikes'' http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-regime-moves-prisoners-to-likely-targets-of-western-military-strikes
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#103 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Think France is still on board. They released some agitprop about evidence of Assad being behind the attacks earlier.KC_Hokie
Less than 50-50 chance the French parliament goes along with the strike.

Good to hear.
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#104 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] I suggest you watch the US debate because that came up, and Kerry agreed that Assad will do just that because that is not the purpose of the action,it's only to downgrade his ability.killzowned24
Yea exactly...symbolic strike. Assad has had 2+ weeks to prepare for these strikes too. He's moved everything around.

Like this? It boggles the mind we have posters like you defending that scum. ''Syrian regime moves prisoners to likely targets of western military strikes'' http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-regime-moves-prisoners-to-likely-targets-of-western-military-strikes

Defending him? No not at all. Announcing a strike 2+ weeks before it happens is extremely stupid and won't be successful. It's symbolic at best.

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#105 killzowned24
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea exactly...symbolic strike. Assad has had 2+ weeks to prepare for these strikes too. He's moved everything around.KC_Hokie
Like this? It boggles the mind we have posters like you defending that scum. ''Syrian regime moves prisoners to likely targets of western military strikes'' http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-regime-moves-prisoners-to-likely-targets-of-western-military-strikes

Defending him? No not at all. Announcing a strike 2+ before it happens is extremely stupid and won't be successful. It's symbolic at best.

have you never heard of bunker busters?
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] No, it's because this strike is purely symbolic and idiotic. It will be used as propaganda by Assad if the strikes are weak. If they are heavier it will help Al-Qaeda.KC_Hokie
I suggest you watch the US debate because that came up, and Kerry agreed that Assad will do just that because that is not the purpose of the action,it's only to downgrade his ability.

Yea exactly...symbolic strike. Assad has had 2+ weeks to prepare for these strikes too. He's moved everything around.

Shit man.. that too.. Assad is getting luxury time to move out of the way and prepare.. Or hell, do something really bad while he's listening closely... This strike is a really bad idea.. The civilians of Syria who didn't ask for this are the ones that will be paying ( even worse than they are now ) with their lives if this strike gets the ok.

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#107 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] Like this? It boggles the mind we have posters like you defending that scum. ''Syrian regime moves prisoners to likely targets of western military strikes'' http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-regime-moves-prisoners-to-likely-targets-of-western-military-strikes

Defending him? No not at all. Announcing a strike 2+ before it happens is extremely stupid and won't be successful. It's symbolic at best.

have you never heard of bunker busters?

Yes but those aren't cruise missiles. Obama is only planning cruise missiles from ships. They can't hit underground targets.
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Defending him? No not at all. Announcing a strike 2+ before it happens is extremely stupid and won't be successful. It's symbolic at best.KC_Hokie
have you never heard of bunker busters?

Yes but those aren't cruise missiles. Obama is only planning cruise missiles from ships. They can't hit underground targets.

That can easily change to a few plane strikes.
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#109 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] have you never heard of bunker busters?

Yes but those aren't cruise missiles. Obama is only planning cruise missiles from ships. They can't hit underground targets.

That can easily change to a few plane strikes.

They've already stated they won't be using planes.
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Defending him? No not at all. Announcing a strike 2+ before it happens is extremely stupid and won't be successful. It's symbolic at best.KC_Hokie
have you never heard of bunker busters?

Yes but those aren't cruise missiles. Obama is only planning cruise missiles from ships. They can't hit underground targets.

http://www.softwar.net/agm86.html
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#111 leviathan91
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And?

First off, the house is still voting and so far it's mostly No.

It's not going to happen and even if it does, it's not going to be like Iraq. Seriously did anyone understand what Obama said?

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#112 The_Lipscomb
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And?

First off, the house is still voting and so far it's mostly No.

It's not going to happen and even if it does, it's not going to be like Iraq. Seriously did anyone understand what Obama said?

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Of course it wont be like Iraq.. It is never is like the previous war, right? ... lol
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes but those aren't cruise missiles. Obama is only planning cruise missiles from ships. They can't hit underground targets.KC_Hokie
That can easily change to a few plane strikes.

They've already stated they won't be using planes.

When? I've only seen boots on the ground being out of the question.
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#114 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] have you never heard of bunker busters?

Yes but those aren't cruise missiles. Obama is only planning cruise missiles from ships. They can't hit underground targets.

http://www.softwar.net/agm86.html

Not a cruise missile. Bunker busters are dropped from planes.
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea exactly...symbolic strike. Assad has had 2+ weeks to prepare for these strikes too. He's moved everything around.KC_Hokie

Like this? It boggles the mind we have posters like you defending that scum. ''Syrian regime moves prisoners to likely targets of western military strikes'' http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-regime-moves-prisoners-to-likely-targets-of-western-military-strikes

Defending him? No not at all. Announcing a strike 2+ weeks before it happens is extremely stupid and won't be successful. It's symbolic at best.

I've also heard that the targets to be hit were leaked, if true Assad, or the rebels for that matter, could move chemical stockpiles to these targets and it'd be the United States fault for the ensuing civilian deaths. Attacking Syria in any capacity is huge quagmire and no one in the administration seems cognizant to it.
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#116 killzowned24
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes but those aren't cruise missiles. Obama is only planning cruise missiles from ships. They can't hit underground targets.KC_Hokie
http://www.softwar.net/agm86.html

Not a cruise missile. Bunker busters are dropped from planes.

Cruise can defeat bunkers.And you don't know the details of attack lol. Everything they move is being tracked by satellite.
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#117 MrPraline
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Also, while CNN told me only racist right wing conspiracy nuts hold this thought, does anyone find it funny that the person considering f*cking bombing Syria is a nobel peace prize winner? And that the "most transparent government of all time" does not release the "undeniable" evidence of the regime's involvement? While locking up whistle blowers?
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#118 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Person0"] That can easily change to a few plane strikes.

They've already stated they won't be using planes.

When? I've only seen boots on the ground being out of the question.

They've stated they are using 'stand off' attacks which means cruise missiles from ships.
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Also, while CNN told me only racist right wing conspiracy nuts hold this thought, does anyone find it funny that the person considering f*cking bombing Syria is a nobel peace prize winner? And that the "most transparent government of all time" does not release the "undeniable" evidence of the regime's involvement? While locking up whistle blowers?

And a poor syrian cry in shame at that post.
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Also, while CNN told me only racist right wing conspiracy nuts hold this thought, does anyone find it funny that the person considering f*cking bombing Syria is a nobel peace prize winner? And that the "most transparent government of all time" does not release the "undeniable" evidence of the regime's involvement? While locking up whistle blowers?MrPraline

Democrats are a funny lot.

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#121 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Also, while CNN told me only racist right wing conspiracy nuts hold this thought, does anyone find it funny that the person considering f*cking bombing Syria is a nobel peace prize winner? And that the "most transparent government of all time" does not release the "undeniable" evidence of the regime's involvement? While locking up whistle blowers?

And a poor syrian cry in shame at that post.

Not if that poor Syrian happens to be Christian, a minority or in any other way not accepted by the Al Qaeda and CIA funded rebels
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#122 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] http://www.softwar.net/agm86.html

Not a cruise missile. Bunker busters are dropped from planes.

Cruise can defeat bunkers.And you don't know the details of attack lol. Everything they move is being tracked by satellite.

No. The cruise missiles on destroyers aren't bunker busters.
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Also, while CNN told me only racist right wing conspiracy nuts hold this thought, does anyone find it funny that the person considering f*cking bombing Syria is a nobel peace prize winner? And that the "most transparent government of all time" does not release the "undeniable" evidence of the regime's involvement? While locking up whistle blowers?

And a poor syrian cry in shame at that post.

Not if that poor Syrian happens to be Christian, a minority or in any other way not accepted by the Al Qaeda and CIA funded rebels

Yeah, from what I've heard, Assad has deployed his forces to PROTECT the minority Christians.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Not a cruise missile. Bunker busters are dropped from planes.

Cruise can defeat bunkers.And you don't know the details of attack lol. Everything they move is being tracked by satellite.

No. The cruise missiles on destroyers aren't bunker busters.

But there are bunker buster variants. They could be transported to the ships or dropped by plane outside of Syria airspace.(so still a standoff weapon)
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#125 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] Cruise can defeat bunkers.And you don't know the details of attack lol. Everything they move is being tracked by satellite.

No. The cruise missiles on destroyers aren't bunker busters.

But there are bunker buster variants. They could be transported to the ships or dropped by plane outside of Syria airspace.(so still a standoff weapon)

Bunker busters are so heavy they have to be dropped by bombers near the targets. They aren't stand off weapons.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] No. The cruise missiles on destroyers aren't bunker busters.

But there are bunker buster variants. They could be transported to the ships or dropped by plane outside of Syria airspace.(so still a standoff weapon)

Bunker busters are so heavy they have to be dropped by bombers near the targets. They aren't stand off weapons.

Cruise missile bunker buster variants exist.
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#128 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Person0"] But there are bunker buster variants. They could be transported to the ships or dropped by plane outside of Syria airspace.(so still a standoff weapon)

Bunker busters are so heavy they have to be dropped by bombers near the targets. They aren't stand off weapons.

Cruise missile bunker buster variants exist.

Yes but are launched by bombers over the targets.
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Bunker busters are so heavy they have to be dropped by bombers near the targets. They aren't stand off weapons.

Cruise missile bunker buster variants exist.

Yes but are launched by bombers over the targets.

They still have a several hundred mile range. So Damascus could be hit from friendly countries by plane launched cruise missiles.
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#130 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Person0"] Cruise missile bunker buster variants exist.

Yes but are launched by bombers over the targets.

They still have a several hundred mile range. So Damascus could be hit from friendly countries by plane launched cruise missiles.

No. Range of bunker buster cruise missile is under 90 miles. So you would have to release them over Syrian airspace to hit the majority of targets.
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#131 Serraph105
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For once I hope that somebody employs the filibuster. Every time we try and spend money on building our own country up politicians are all up in arms because we simply don't have the money to do so, but blow this sh!t out of some other country and watch the politicians yell "Murica!"

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#132 curono
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Awesome, lets spend more time and money bombing brown people. HoolaHoopMan
...cause that has never happened before!!
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What is the right thing to do in this situation?  If Syria is using chemical weapons against its own people, should we do nothing or should we start bombing?  Neither action seems to be a good choice.  I say, we should only act if we get an large international consensus.  I do not want the US acting by itself.  If this is supposedly an atrocity, then the world should step up and come together.

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What is the right thing to do in this situation?  If Syria is using chemical weapons against its own people, should we do nothing or should we start bombing?  Neither action seems to be a good choice.  I say, we should only act if we get an large international consensus.  I do not want the US acting by itself.  If this is supposedly an atrocity, then the world should step up and come together.

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this is actually a good response.. A chemical weapon was used.. this is something the world needs to come together on and talk about.. not individual countries deciding they want start launching missiles on their own.
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#135 curono
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What is the right thing to do in this situation?  If Syria is using chemical weapons against its own people, should we do nothing or should we start bombing?  Neither action seems to be a good choice.  I say, we should only act if we get an large international consensus.  I do not want the US acting by itself.  If this is supposedly an atrocity, then the world should step up and come together.

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Talking about atrocities: Have you heard about signature strikes and their collateral damage? I think those atrocities should be punished as well...
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes but are launched by bombers over the targets. KC_Hokie
They still have a several hundred mile range. So Damascus could be hit from friendly countries by plane launched cruise missiles.

No. Range of bunker buster cruise missile is under 90 miles. So you would have to release them over Syrian airspace to hit the majority of targets.

More like 600 miles.
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#138 Master_Live
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Exactly. Bomb the nasty people on both sides or do nothing.

The mission is to downgrade his ability to cause any more chem attacks.

Which is basically impossible. He's already moved his missiles underground or into civilian areas. Assad has had way too much time to prepare.

You keep spouting this. Buddy, General Dempsey said yesterday that their ability to degrade Assad chemical weapon capability was still intact even with the delay for Congress approval. So unless you think General Dempsey is lying or doesn't know what the hell is he talking about then why do you keep repeating this lie?
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Awesome, lets spend more time and money bombing brown people. HoolaHoopMan
and less money on helping our own people, less money to improve health care, education and less money to help the starving and homeless - which there are a large amount of in the US.
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[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

I have a question.. Why is it when there's something ify in the world.. It's only the U.S and pulling their allies into it. Why does this country have to be the one to do this stuff? if we attack, why can't somebody else take care of it? Do we think we are some chosen god or something?

KC_Hokie

We won't even have the UK with us. Their parliament voted no. France's parliament could vote no as well.

We're doing this alone. Not even a tiny 'coalition of the willing".

weren't there like 40 something countries in Bush's "coalition of the willing" during the Iraq War, and even more countries in the coalition for the Afghan War?

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

What is the right thing to do in this situation?  If Syria is using chemical weapons against its own people, should we do nothing or should we start bombing?  Neither action seems to be a good choice.  I say, we should only act if we get an large international consensus.  I do not want the US acting by itself.  If this is supposedly an atrocity, then the world should step up and come together.

curono
Talking about atrocities: Have you heard about signature strikes and their collateral damage? I think those atrocities should be punished as well...

Which is the problem. What do you suggest doing about the chemical attacks, though? Looking the other way. That's a choice, but I don't know if it's the best one. Be nice if Syria's allies condemned them for that. If that occurred, then I doubt they'd do that again.
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#142 genfactor
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I guess because of all of the "We're broke" talk, Arab countries have offered to fund military action. 1. If it's that important to them, why don't they fight the war themselves? 2. When did we become a mercenary nation? http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/04/kerry-arab-countries-have-offered-to-pay-for-syria-invasion/
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#143 curono
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[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

What is the right thing to do in this situation?  If Syria is using chemical weapons against its own people, should we do nothing or should we start bombing?  Neither action seems to be a good choice.  I say, we should only act if we get an large international consensus.  I do not want the US acting by itself.  If this is supposedly an atrocity, then the world should step up and come together.

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Talking about atrocities: Have you heard about signature strikes and their collateral damage? I think those atrocities should be punished as well...

Which is the problem. What do you suggest doing about the chemical attacks, though? Looking the other way. That's a choice, but I don't know if it's the best one. Be nice if Syria's allies condemned them for that. If that occurred, then I doubt they'd do that again.

I don't know if you understood my message. Double tap, collateral damage, torture... Those things are OPENLY perpetrated by the U.S. So, by that logic, when are we nuking the pentagon? Should we look the other way? Look Sirya is a terrible problem. Bombing some factories/armies/whatever will not solve the problem, will not make it better and will not make people people happy. In a nutshell, Siryans killed Siryans so the plan is go and kill some more Siryans? Call me crazy if I find concerns....
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#144 ghoklebutter
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Oh dear
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#145 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] Did they? I wasn't paying attention then.

Yup and it was a big shock for the Prime Minister. He was convinced he was easily going to get the vote.

The brits are just being pansies. They still agree that Assad did it.

To be honest, I think the Brits just dont wanna get involved in America's BS. They followed you guys to war with Afghanistan and Iraq, and that didnt end to well. I believe its more of a sense of growing anti-Americanism within British society. A lot of Brits feel like their country is being dragged around by the US, and they dont like that. During the Iraq/Afghanistan era with Blair, the UK was pretty much America's colony...doing whatever Bush wanted, and I believe that seeded a lot of distrust and dislike amongst the British public. And in an effort to do what the people want, the parliament voted against getting involved in another war that has no bearings on their national security.
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#146 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Awesome, lets spend more time and money bombing brown people. Rattlesnake_8
and less money on helping our own people, less money to improve health care, education and less money to help the starving and homeless - which there are a large amount of in the US.

That's something that has always scared me about the US general public. People will literally fight tooth and nail against any notion of helping their fellow man. I think its a consequence from the years of communism. If anything even remotely sounds to have some basis in Socialism (which a lot of Americans seem to think is the exact same thing as communism) it is automatically rejected and labeled as being bad. The thing that seperates us from wild animals is that we take care of our weak, we don't just leave them to die. That's why we have hospitals. So I dont see what is so horrible about people who are more fortunate, giving up some of their tax money to help people less fortunate. If I had to have some money removed from my pay check every month and that ensured that another human being somwhere else would get to live another day, that's money well spent. Someone's life is worth more than me getting a bit more money every month.
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#147 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] I suggest you watch the US debate because that came up, and Kerry agreed that Assad will do just that because that is not the purpose of the action,it's only to downgrade his ability.The_Lipscomb

Yea exactly...symbolic strike. Assad has had 2+ weeks to prepare for these strikes too. He's moved everything around.

Shit man.. that too.. Assad is getting luxury time to move out of the way and prepare.. Or hell, do something really bad while he's listening closely... This strike is a really bad idea.. The civilians of Syria who didn't ask for this are the ones that will be paying ( even worse than they are now ) with their lives if this strike gets the ok.

on the flip side, if assad is running around trying to hide all his s--t, he's not using it.
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#148 Praisedasun
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I hope assad kicks your ass.

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#149 GrayF0X786
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Also you guys are clearly idiotic if you think you're getting involved into a random Middle Eastern country for nothing. When was the world ever that simple? "ZOMG brown people are getting gassed by an oppressive dictator! Lets go help!" - said no American (politician) ever.Victorious_Fize
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#150 BossPerson
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"The world can not be silent" - Barack Obama

Why not?

The world was silent when the rebels were burning Christian villages to the ground.
The world was silent when the rebels were slaughtering Christian children.
The world was silent when these rebels were eating the remains of their human victims.

The world was silent when you, President Obama, gave the order that burned Qadaffis grandchildren to death.

So, apparently, the world can be silent. It's silent most of the time.when atrocities are committed, especially the atrocities you commit, Barack.

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you really think the crimes committed against Ghadaffis family and Syria minorities even comes remotely close to the crimes committed by those governments?