The sexually abused dancing boys of Afghanistan

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In Afghanistan women are not allowed to dance in public, but boys can be made to dance in women's clothing - and they are often sexually abused.

It's after midnight. I'm at a wedding party in a remote village in northern Afghanistan.

There is no sign of the bride or groom, or any women, only men. Some of them are armed, some of them are taking drugs.

Almost everyone's attention is focused on a 15-year-old boy. He's dancing for the crowd in a long and shiny woman's dress, his face covered by a red scarf.

He is wearing fake breasts and bells around his ankles. Someone offers him some US dollars and he grabs them with his teeth.

This is an ancient tradition. People call it bachabaze which literally means "playing with boys".

The most disturbing thing is what happens after the parties. Often the boys are taken to hotels and sexually abused.

The men behind the practice are often wealthy and powerful. Some of them keep several bachas (boys) and use them as status symbols - a display of their riches. The boys, who can be as young as 12, are usually orphans or from very poor families.

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Wait...a woman can get her nose cut off because she wants to go to school, but this is OK? Is no depth too low for humanity anymore?

I suppose islam never said anything about this particular disgusting act, but sending women to schools - oh no, we can can't have that!

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Why did I click on this?

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Why did I click on this?

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Because you are a kitty cat and you dance, dance, dance!
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#5 SideSwipes
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[QUOTE="SideSwipes"]

Why did I click on this?

GswSir

Because you are a kitty cat and you dance, dance, dance!

Damn right I do.

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I came here for the sketch, what is this?
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Yay, another hate thread. Generalising that Muslim women can't get education.
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I came here for the sketch, what is this?BiancaDK
A rave, naturally.
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Yay, another hate thread. Generalising that Muslim women can't get education.dramaybaz

Oh yes, any FACT that shows the reality of islam nations is a hate thread.

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Jaw dropper. thats nasty.

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#14 doom3lv
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[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]Yay, another hate thread. Generalising that Muslim women can't get education.dramaybaz

Oh yes, and FACT that shows the reality of islam nations is a hate thread.

Well knowing you... My point still stands regarding you saying women can't education.

so you are saying islam in afganistan is very progressive and women can get education? and that they are safe?

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#15 SideSwipes
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[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]Yay, another hate thread. Generalising that Muslim women can't get education.dramaybaz

Oh yes, and FACT that shows the reality of islam nations is a hate thread.

Well knowing you... My point still stands regarding you saying women can't education.

Looks like someone else needs it more.

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

Oh yes, and FACT that shows the reality of islam nations is a hate thread.

doom3lv

Well knowing you... My point still stands regarding you saying women can't education.

so you are saying islam in afganistan is very progressive and women can get education? and that they are safe?

Blame Afghanistan.
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]I came here for the sketch, what is this?GswSir
A rave, naturally.

well then! =D

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Looks like someone else needs it more. :P .

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Oh. I have been up all night. :cry:

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#19 SideSwipes
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[QUOTE="GswSir"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"]I came here for the sketch, what is this?BiancaDK

A rave, naturally.

well then! =D

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Religion is full of hypocrites, that's why I only believe in what can be proven. Helps to remove that little issue.

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[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"] Well knowing you... My point still stands regarding you saying women can't education.dramaybaz

so you are saying islam in afganistan is very progressive and women can get education? and that they are safe?

Blame Afghanistan.

Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

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#23 GswSir
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Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

doom3lv

Well now old chap, for one Islam is hardly the only religion with members sexually abusing others.

For that matter even the most civilized or westernized nations have massive problems with sexual abuse/slavery/etc.

Still, if your goal is to highlight the abhorrent crimes committed by many cultures and religions, then by all means the stage is yours!

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However, as serious discussions can be rather droll, let the dancing continue!

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[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

GswSir

Well now old chap, for one Islam is hardly the only religion with members sexually abusing others.

For that matter even the most civilized or westernized nations have massive problems with sexual abuse/slavery/etc.

Still, if your goal is to highlight the abhorrent crimes committed by many cultures and religions, then by all means the stage is yours!

well now, everytime someone points out something about islam, the immediate reaction is to say other religions are just as bad. but isnt it the contention of muslims that their religion is better than others?

i am just here to show that its no better, and in fact, people in muslim nations suffer a whole lot more.

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That's weird as hell:?

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#26 doom3lv
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That's weird as hell:?

applesxc47

weird? children are getting molested. thats not weird, that's horrible.

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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

so you are saying islam in afganistan is very progressive and women can get education? and that they are safe?

doom3lv

Blame Afghanistan.

Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

Because there are several Muslim nations where education is supported.
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they'll never stop that tradition its futile to even bring it up, sadly there are sick people in the world.

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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

so you are saying islam in afganistan is very progressive and women can get education? and that they are safe?

doom3lv

Blame Afghanistan.

Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

Wait wait wait wait so YOU are saying that all my female relatives educated in saudi arabia including my mom and her sisters all of whom who working as doctors in said country should have their noses cut off??????
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[QUOTE="GswSir"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

doom3lv

Well now old chap, for one Islam is hardly the only religion with members sexually abusing others.

For that matter even the most civilized or westernized nations have massive problems with sexual abuse/slavery/etc.

Still, if your goal is to highlight the abhorrent crimes committed by many cultures and religions, then by all means the stage is yours!

well now, everytime someone points out something about islam, the immediate reaction is to say other religions are just as bad. but isnt it the contention of muslims that their religion is better than others?

i am just here to show that its no better, and in fact, people in muslim nations suffer a whole lot more.

Quite a few Christians in US have same ideology aswell, that they are better.
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[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"] Blame Afghanistan.dramaybaz

Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

Because there are several Muslim nations where education is supported.

but there are a few totally muslim nations that it isnt supported. the people in those countries claim they are the followers of islam and their justice system is modeled after islam.

and their justice system allows for such acts. in other words, people who follow islam condone these acts.

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WOW no wonder "some people" in that corner of the earth live by the words "death to America" I guess i know why now, they don't allow wealthy powerful men to have little boys as status and sexually abuse them... Really this is sick, i can't believe this is happening on today modern world, people like that shout be shot on sight, this is not a matter of culture or ancient costumes, its about little kids getting deprived of dignity and a proper childhood, they are humans not objects or animals.
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[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"] Blame Afghanistan.conistant

Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

Wait wait wait wait so YOU are saying that all my female relatives educated in saudi arabia including my mom and her sisters all of whom who working as doctors in said country should have their noses cut off??????

where do you live? in America?

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[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

doom3lv

Wait wait wait wait so YOU are saying that all my female relatives educated in saudi arabia including my mom and her sisters all of whom who working as doctors in said country should have their noses cut off??????

where do you live? in America?

No.In Saudi Arabia.
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[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

[QUOTE="conistant"] Wait wait wait wait so YOU are saying that all my female relatives educated in saudi arabia including my mom and her sisters all of whom who working as doctors in said country should have their noses cut off??????conistant

where do you live? in America?

No.In Saudi Arabia.

well if you are a muslim and living in saudi arabia, of course you support islam. You wouldn't understand the freedoms we have here in America, and how many brave Christians died for those freedoms.

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Many brave people of various faiths, philosophies and assorted beliefs built America...
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[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

where do you live? in America?

doom3lv

No.In Saudi Arabia.

well if you are a muslim and living in saudi arabia, of course you support islam. You wouldn't understand the freedoms we have here in America, and how many brave Christians died for those freedoms.

I heard people from all religions died for your country's freedom like Malcolm x,Martin Luther King Jr. etc and not just christians and what kind of freedoms you talking about?
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[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

[QUOTE="conistant"] No.In Saudi Arabia.conistant

well if you are a muslim and living in saudi arabia, of course you support islam. You wouldn't understand the freedoms we have here in America, and how many brave Christians died for those freedoms.

I heard people from all religions died for your country's freedom like Malcolm x,Martin Luther King Jr. etc and not just christians and what kind of freedoms you talking about?

there is no point in discussing that with you. its better you believe saudi arabia is a better place than America and that there is no oppression in islamic nations.

Thank god for America, really.

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[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

well if you are a muslim and living in saudi arabia, of course you support islam. You wouldn't understand the freedoms we have here in America, and how many brave Christians died for those freedoms.

doom3lv

I heard people from all religions died for your country's freedom like Malcolm x,Martin Luther King Jr. etc and not just christians and what kind of freedoms you talking about?

there is no point in discussing that with you. its better you believe saudi arabia is a better place than America and that there is no oppression in islamic nations.

Thank god for America, really.

I'm not arguing with you.When did you get the idea that I was arguing with you?Every patriotic person believes that which ever country they belong to is the best in the world.So let go of your hate man.I just asked you a question.Nothing more nothing less.
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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

well now, everytime someone points out something about islam, the immediate reaction is to say other religions are just as bad. but isnt it the contention of muslims that their religion is better than others?

i am just here to show that its no better, and in fact, people in muslim nations suffer a whole lot more.

doom3lv

Quite a few Christians in US have same ideology aswell, that they are better.

they are.

many christians help build america. the same country that muslims escape to.

Sure. And I suppose you are one of them? Those tend to be the hateful ones, giving the rest a bad name.
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[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

where do you live? in America?

doom3lv

No.In Saudi Arabia.

well if you are a muslim and living in saudi arabia, of course you support islam. You wouldn't understand the freedoms we have here in America, and how many brave Christians died for those freedoms.

What has that got to do with the fact that he said his family is educated?
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What a terrible way to start my morning...
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the argument of women not being educated in islam is stupid, some countires like s.arabia educate women but dont like them to work. in my family every women has a degree and a job and so does my distant relatives is pakistan ( not all uni degrees though). in some places family use this as competitions against others to see whos daughter is smarter as bragging rights.
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That's what they get for being trannies.
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[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

[QUOTE="conistant"] No.In Saudi Arabia.dramaybaz

well if you are a muslim and living in saudi arabia, of course you support islam. You wouldn't understand the freedoms we have here in America, and how many brave Christians died for those freedoms.

What has that got to do with the fact that he said his family is educated?

He's responding to the guy saying he lived in Saudi Arabia.
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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

well if you are a muslim and living in saudi arabia, of course you support islam. You wouldn't understand the freedoms we have here in America, and how many brave Christians died for those freedoms.

Snipes_2

What has that got to do with the fact that he said his family is educated?

He's responding to the guy saying he lived in Saudi Arabia.

This is what the guy originally said: "Wait wait wait wait so YOU are saying that all my female relatives educated in saudi arabia including my mom and her sisters all of whom who working as doctors in said country should have their noses cut off??????" informing that his family is educated, and that gets turned into a discussion of how US has freedoms he doesnt understand.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="dramaybaz"]

What has that got to do with the fact that he said his family is educated?dramaybaz

He's responding to the guy saying he lived in Saudi Arabia.

This is what the guy originally said: "Wait wait wait wait so YOU are saying that all my female relatives educated in saudi arabia including my mom and her sisters all of whom who working as doctors in said country should have their noses cut off??????" informing that his family is educated, and that gets turned into a discussion of how US has freedoms he doesnt understand.

I think it's about living in that Country, with its laws, and how he doesn't have the freedom Americans enjoy. Freedom to pursue careers etc..
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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

He's responding to the guy saying he lived in Saudi Arabia. Snipes_2

This is what the guy originally said: "Wait wait wait wait so YOU are saying that all my female relatives educated in saudi arabia including my mom and her sisters all of whom who working as doctors in said country should have their noses cut off??????" informing that his family is educated, and that gets turned into a discussion of how US has freedoms he doesnt understand.

I think it's about living in that Country, with its laws, and how he doesn't have the freedom Americans enjoy. Freedom to pursue careers etc..

What do you mean Freedom to pursue careers?I choose to study Computer Engineering and no one stopped me.You can choose what you want to do in Saudi Arabia.
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="dramaybaz"]

This is what the guy originally said: "Wait wait wait wait so YOU are saying that all my female relatives educated in saudi arabia including my mom and her sisters all of whom who working as doctors in said country should have their noses cut off??????" informing that his family is educated, and that gets turned into a discussion of how US has freedoms he doesnt understand.

conistant

I think it's about living in that Country, with its laws, and how he doesn't have the freedom Americans enjoy. Freedom to pursue careers etc..

What do you mean Freedom to pursue careers?I choose to study Computer Engineering and no one stopped me.You can choose what you want to do in Saudi Arabia.

Aren't you a Male though?