The sexually abused dancing boys of Afghanistan

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="dramaybaz"]

This is what the guy originally said: "Wait wait wait wait so YOU are saying that all my female relatives educated in saudi arabia including my mom and her sisters all of whom who working as doctors in said country should have their noses cut off??????" informing that his family is educated, and that gets turned into a discussion of how US has freedoms he doesnt understand.

conistant

I think it's about living in that Country, with its laws, and how he doesn't have the freedom Americans enjoy. Freedom to pursue careers etc..

What do you mean Freedom to pursue careers?I choose to study Computer Engineering and no one stopped me.You can choose what you want to do in Saudi Arabia.

Don't take some of the posters on this board seriously.

[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I think it's about living in that Country, with its laws, and how he doesn't have the freedom Americans enjoy. Freedom to pursue careers etc..Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="conistant"] What do you mean Freedom to pursue careers?I choose to study Computer Engineering and no one stopped me.You can choose what you want to do in Saudi Arabia.dramaybaz

[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I think it's about living in that Country, with its laws, and how he doesn't have the freedom Americans enjoy. Freedom to pursue careers etc..Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="conistant"] What do you mean Freedom to pursue careers?I choose to study Computer Engineering and no one stopped me.You can choose what you want to do in Saudi Arabia.conistant

In Afghanistan women are not allowed to dance in public, but boys can be made to dance in women's clothing - and they are often sexually abused.

It's after midnight. I'm at a wedding party in a remote village in northern Afghanistan.

There is no sign of the bride or groom, or any women, only men. Some of them are armed, some of them are taking drugs.

Almost everyone's attention is focused on a 15-year-old boy. He's dancing for the crowd in a long and shiny woman's dress, his face covered by a red scarf.

He is wearing fake breasts and bells around his ankles. Someone offers him some US dollars and he grabs them with his teeth.

This is an ancient tradition. People call it bachabaze which literally means "playing with boys".

The most disturbing thing is what happens after the parties. Often the boys are taken to hotels and sexually abused.

The men behind the practice are often wealthy and powerful. Some of them keep several bachas (boys) and use them as status symbols - a display of their riches. The boys, who can be as young as 12, are usually orphans or from very poor families.

LINK

Wait...a woman can get her nose cut off because she wants to go to school, but this is OK? Is no depth too low for humanity anymore?

I suppose islam never said anything about this particular disgusting act, but sending women to schools - oh no, we can can't have that!

[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Aren't you a Male though?

Snipes_2

I'm too lazy to find a link now but that's how it is.You should try asking someone from America who has been to Saudi arabia.On a side note my mom's a gynaecologist.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="conistant"] Yes I am a male but my point is that there are females working in government jobs,hospitals,schools and offices in saudi arabia.conistant

I'm too lazy to find a link now but that's how it is.You should try asking someone from America who has been to Saudi arabia.On a side note my mom's a gynaecologist.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="conistant"] Yes I am a male but my point is that there are females working in government jobs,hospitals,schools and offices in saudi arabia.conistant

I'm too lazy to find a link now but that's how it is.You should try asking someone from America who has been to Saudi arabia.On a side note my mom's a gynaecologist.

LOL! of course she is! Can a man become a gynaecologist? I think not.

WOW no wonder "some people" in that corner of the earth live by the words "death to America" I guess i know why now, they don't allow wealthy powerful men to have little boys as status and sexually abuse them... Really this is sick, i can't believe this is happening on today modern world, people like that shout be shot on sight, this is not a matter of culture or ancient costumes, its about little kids getting deprived of dignity and a proper childhood, they are humans not objects or animals.Kane04

Yeah because we all know that animals don't have any feelings and treating them like crap is ok?



And I didn't really follow the whole Saudi Arabia discussion very closely but I just read up quickly on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

and well yeah... Didn't look very good and "woman friendly" to me...

[QUOTE="applesxc47"]

That's weird as hell:?

doom3lv

weird? children are getting molested. thats not weird, that's horrible.

[QUOTE="conistant"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Do you have a link for this information so I can read up on it? I'm not very knowledgeable in regards to education in Saudi Arabia. doom3lv

I'm too lazy to find a link now but that's how it is.You should try asking someone from America who has been to Saudi arabia.On a side note my mom's a gynaecologist.

LOL! of course she is! Can a man become a gynaecologist? I think not.

that is so sad

i can't be put in there shoes and don't know how they feel but i hope one day those "wealthy men" will get theres

Meh, this is getting old :roll: About the actual topic, powerful men can be cruel to no extent.GazaAli

and this is sad

they think they can do anything >_>

that is so sad

i can't be put in there shoes and don't know how they feel but i hope one day those "wealthy men" will get theres

zoraluv

[QUOTE="zoraluv"]

that is so sad

i can't be put in there shoes and don't know how they feel but i hope one day those "wealthy men" will get theres

GazaAli

i heard fat men last longer :|

sorry i had to

damn GazaAli you got me off focus :x

its still wrong and they should suffer

(dear lord i have some weird images right now)

[QUOTE="zoraluv"]

that is so sad

i can't be put in there shoes and don't know how they feel but i hope one day those "wealthy men" will get theres

GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="zoraluv"]

that is so sad

i can't be put in there shoes and don't know how they feel but i hope one day those "wealthy men" will get theres

zoraluv

i heard fat men last longer :|

sorry i had to

damn GazaAli you got me off focus :x

its still wrong and they should suffer

(dear lord i have some weird images right now)

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="zoraluv"]

that is so sad

i can't be put in there shoes and don't know how they feel but i hope one day those "wealthy men" will get theres

lordreaven

[QUOTE="zoraluv"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] wealthy men eat lots of meat and move around by cars, so they are probably overweight. Lets not make them dance in women cloths, for the sake of the kittens.GazaAli

i heard fat men last longer :|

sorry i had to

damn GazaAli you got me off focus :x

its still wrong and they should suffer

(dear lord i have some weird images right now)

i'd let the kids burn them

and all i see is

"jiggly jiggly"

i'm so ****ed up

wealthy men eat lots of meat and move around by cars, so they are probably overweight. Lets not make them dance in women cloths, for the sake of the kittens.GazaAli

Religion is full of hypocrites, that's why I only believe in what can be proven. Helps to remove that little issue.

pengo93

Religion is full of hypocrites, that's why I only believe in what can be proven. Helps to remove that little issue.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="lordreaven"] Gaza, your my hero. We have to think of teh kittenz! BTW, it you want gaza, you add me to your friends list on steam (just PM me).:D

lordreaven

I'm a naughty PC gamer :P

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

[QUOTE="applesxc47"]

That's weird as hell:?

yellerbelly

weird? children are getting molested. thats not weird, that's horrible.

[QUOTE="yellerbelly"][QUOTE="doom3lv"]

weird? children are getting molested. thats not weird, that's horrible.

SkyWard20

when you are powerful and wealthy, you can dam right make it legal and cultural, if you know what I mean.

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"]

[QUOTE="SideSwipes"]

Damn right I do.

SideSwipes

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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="yellerbelly"] Yeah, 'cause I can't think of any other people in any other country or followers of any other religion that are also responsible for child molestaion...it's just those nasty old Muslims, right? GazaAli

when you are powerful and wealthy, you can dam right make it legal and cultural, if you know what I mean.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Umm... if I read the OP right then doing... that is a legal and cultural thing. That's a big difference.lordreaven

when you are powerful and wealthy, you can dam right make it legal and cultural, if you know what I mean.

In Afghanistan women are not allowed to dance in public, but boys can be made to dance in women's clothing - and they are often sexually abused.

It's after midnight. I'm at a wedding party in a remote village in northern Afghanistan.

There is no sign of the bride or groom, or any women, only men. Some of them are armed, some of them are taking drugs.

Almost everyone's attention is focused on a 15-year-old boy. He's dancing for the crowd in a long and shiny woman's dress, his face covered by a red scarf.

He is wearing fake breasts and bells around his ankles. Someone offers him some US dollars and he grabs them with his teeth.

This is an ancient tradition. People call it bachabaze which literally means "playing with boys".

The most disturbing thing is what happens after the parties. Often the boys are taken to hotels and sexually abused.

The men behind the practice are often wealthy and powerful. Some of them keep several bachas (boys) and use them as status symbols - a display of their riches. The boys, who can be as young as 12, are usually orphans or from very poor families.

LINK

Wait...a woman can get her nose cut off because she wants to go to school, but this is OK? Is no depth too low for humanity anymore?

I suppose islam never said anything about this particular disgusting act, but sending women to schools - oh no, we can can't have that!

doom3lv

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]

when you are powerful and wealthy, you can dam right make it legal and cultural, if you know what I mean.

GazaAli

Umm... if I read the OP right then doing... that is a legal and cultural thing. That's a big difference.SkyWard20

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="zoraluv"]

i heard fat men last longer :|

sorry i had to

damn GazaAli you got me off focus :x

its still wrong and they should suffer

(dear lord i have some weird images right now)

zoraluv

i'd let the kids burn them

and all i see is

"jiggly jiggly"

i'm so ****ed up

:| I read "burn" as "bum". And the whole thing read out wrong. :/

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

In Afghanistan women are not allowed to dance in public, but boys can be made to dance in women's clothing - and they are often sexually abused.

It's after midnight. I'm at a wedding party in a remote village in northern Afghanistan.

There is no sign of the bride or groom, or any women, only men. Some of them are armed, some of them are taking drugs.

Almost everyone's attention is focused on a 15-year-old boy. He's dancing for the crowd in a long and shiny woman's dress, his face covered by a red scarf.

He is wearing fake breasts and bells around his ankles. Someone offers him some US dollars and he grabs them with his teeth.

This is an ancient tradition. People call it bachabaze which literally means "playing with boys".

The most disturbing thing is what happens after the parties. Often the boys are taken to hotels and sexually abused.

The men behind the practice are often wealthy and powerful. Some of them keep several bachas (boys) and use them as status symbols - a display of their riches. The boys, who can be as young as 12, are usually orphans or from very poor families.

LINK

Wait...a woman can get her nose cut off because she wants to go to school, but this is OK? Is no depth too low for humanity anymore?

I suppose islam never said anything about this particular disgusting act, but sending women to schools - oh no, we can can't have that!

SteverXIII

[QUOTE="zoraluv"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] now you can't sleep at night :lol: But seriously, I could burn them alive.dramaybaz

i'd let the kids burn them

and all i see is

"jiggly jiggly"

i'm so ****ed up

:| I read "burn" as "bum". And the whole thing read out wrong. :/

:lol:

that was wrong

but awesome

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]Umm... if I read the OP right then doing... that is a legal and cultural thing. That's a big difference.yellerbelly

LOL! of course she is! Can a man become a gynaecologist? I think not.doom3lv

The middle east is ******up..00-Riddick-00

[QUOTE="GswSir"]

[QUOTE="doom3lv"]

Why not islam? Afganistan is a muslim nation. why is that anything bad is the fault of afganistan, but anything good is a credit for islam? double standard?

doom3lv

Well now old chap, for one Islam is hardly the only religion with members sexually abusing others.

For that matter even the most civilized or westernized nations have massive problems with sexual abuse/slavery/etc.

Still, if your goal is to highlight the abhorrent crimes committed by many cultures and religions, then by all means the stage is yours!

well now, everytime someone points out something about islam, the immediate reaction is to say other religions are just as bad. but isnt it the contention of muslims that their religion is better than others?

i am just here to show that its no better, and in fact, people in muslim nations suffer a whole lot more.

Ok, i see you like too disregard the fact that this is a cultural problem rather than a religious one as nowhere in Islam does it say to dance with 15 yr old tranvestite boys.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]The middle east is ******up..GazaAli

Now that wasn't very nice :P :lol:

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]The middle east is ******up..zmbi_gmr

Now that wasn't very nice :P :lol:

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Aren't you a Male though?

Snipes_2

I know several Saudi women who are getting or have earned degrees.

• My sister is doing Ortho Optics at St. Catherine's University.
• my cousin Jowahir is a recent graduate in Accounting who'se trying to get into a Master's program.
• my next cousin Muniera is almost done with highschool and wants to be a banker.

I can't think of what the female cousins want (i got so many of them it's really hard to keep track of them) but all the ones that i have met and known have gone on to do college or are planning on going college.

Quite the stark differnece to my grandma who is ignorant of the world (not in the bad way, she doesn't speak ill of people, it is like a very simple sort of mindset she has), and can't read. literally i this past summer i was sitting next to her showing her the internet and it was like she was dealing with a Martian. can't grasp it.

Then i have family friends like the *i would really rather not give their last name on some video game website*

• Leila is a PH.D doctor educated in the United States and is working in Saudi Arabia. one of my best child hood friends Mansour he recently got married to a nice beautiful wife Alia who is a Dentist in Riyadh.
• Khadjiah wants to be a seamstress (she really isn't forced into it, she really likes making clothes. turning her hobby into her career)
• her sister Noorah is doing Graphic Design and Journalism.

Finally i'll add that King Abdullah massive education plans is the a new construction called (at first King Abdullah University) was renamed by the King himself to Princess Noura University.

the scope of the project is to include laboratories and research centers and is aimed to do more then just Islamic studies and service industries for women. I.E. encourage entrance into the sciences. It is expected to support around 26,000 students.

Women do and can find it hard to get into the sciences right now, but that doesn't mean they cannot make it. they'll meet resistance from men. but as i recall the first to buck any old unwritten 'rule' will always meet resistance. the feminist movement in the West would not be called a social struggle if it was not.

Not to mention as a lot of people here who are anti-Islam or harsh critics of Islam forget that patriachial socieities (That's just about every civilization out there) have always had a history of being mysoginistic and chauvenistic. and not one of the Abrahamic religions is really all that kind to women (by modern day standards).

Finally I'll leave with two videos by the beautiful Queen Rania of Jordan...

Queen Rania on Arab women (should add that Kuwait recently elected 4 women to their parliment as well).

See what Arab women are up to

Sad to hear stuff like this especially because I am Afghan myself

I've never even seen or heard of this type of thing and I'm Afghan and I've visted there twice in the past 5 years. Afghanistan and it's people aren't as backward as some people think they are. All this horrible stuff is because of the Taliban.

thecoolhh

Anyone else feel bad for chuckling abit at the title?