The thing that killed my faith 2: Eden was rigged

If everything is true, then

Earth = Jersey Shore

for God. We're nothing but Train wreck entertainment

God also created people stupid enough to whine about not being able to have a baby when they hadn't even tried having sex yet. GG telling your children how procreation works, God.XilePrincess

I totally agree with the majority of it, although i only skimmed it i understand what you're saying. I dont think i'd want to spend eternity being "Happy" with a sadistic god. Because i dont know what his version of happiness is.Nibroc420

Human beings are sadistic by nature. When we see a gif of a cyclist falling into a pond, we laugh. So.. I'm certain I would enjoy being with him. :D

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Either the Bible happened, and should be taken as Fact. Or it didn't happen, and it should be disregarded by any christian, because it's simply metaphorical and fictional. AKA. Either things happened the way they say in the bible, or it's a fictional book used to develop morals.dodgerblue13

- We know the world is not 6000 years old
- We know the world is not flat
- We know the world revolves around the sun, not the other way around
- We know the world isn't in the center of the universe


So picking what is fiction and what is fact can be a hard process to do. If the bible is lying about these things, who's to say it's not lying about other things? Christians love to pick and choose from the bible and make up absurd excuses like "WELL its how you interpret it" or "It was just a test of faith, that's why dinosaur bones exist!" etc

The bible is obviously going to contain some factual material of it's time period, just like many movies we make today do, but it doesn't mean it's a historically accurate book and to say so would be ignorant to science. Why not disregard the bible, what does it matter if it has good morals or not? We disregard movies, music, paintings we don't like so what makes disregarding the bible any different?

[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Either the Bible happened, and should be taken as Fact. Or it didn't happen, and it should be disregarded by any christian, because it's simply metaphorical and fictional. AKA. Either things happened the way they say in the bible, or it's a fictional book used to develop morals.XileLord

- We know the world is not 6000 years old
- We know the world is not flat
- We know the world revolves around the sun, not the other way around
- We know the world isn't in the center of the universe


So picking what is fiction and what is fact can be a hard process to do. If the bible is lying about these things, who's to say it's not lying about other things? Christians love to pick and choose from the bible and make up absurd excuses like "WELL its how you interpret it" or "It was just a test of faith, that's why dinosaur bones exist!" etc

The bible is obviously going to contain some factual material of it's time period, just like many movies we make today do, but it doesn't mean it's a historically accurate book and to say so would be ignorant to science. Why not disregard the bible, what does it matter if it has good morals or not? We disregard movies, music, paintings we don't like so what makes disregarding the bible any different?

the bible never claims the earth is flat

the bible never says the earth revovles around the sun.

the bible also never says earth is at the very center of the universe.

[QUOTE="XileLord"]

[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"] Firstly, why disregard it if it's fictional? That's the same as ridding the world of all art, literature, music, theatre, and everything of the sort. Everything must be fact or be disregarded? Unheard of! This is a terrible way to live. You said yourself that fiction has good morals. Why disregard them because they aren't real events? What if it IS fiction? Why disregard it? What a Utilitarian point-of-view...kayoticdreamz

- We know the world is not 6000 years old
- We know the world is not flat
- We know the world revolves around the sun, not the other way around
- We know the world isn't in the center of the universe


So picking what is fiction and what is fact can be a hard process to do. If the bible is lying about these things, who's to say it's not lying about other things? Christians love to pick and choose from the bible and make up absurd excuses like "WELL its how you interpret it" or "It was just a test of faith, that's why dinosaur bones exist!" etc

The bible is obviously going to contain some factual material of it's time period, just like many movies we make today do, but it doesn't mean it's a historically accurate book and to say so would be ignorant to science. Why not disregard the bible, what does it matter if it has good morals or not? We disregard movies, music, paintings we don't like so what makes disregarding the bible any different?

the bible never claims the earth is flat

the bible never says the earth revovles around the sun.

the bible also never says earth is at the very center of the universe.

I don't normally say this, but come on...blog this, we really don't need a series on why you don't believe in a faith.ice144

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]

[QUOTE="XileLord"] The bible is for the most part, not facutal either....

- We know the world is not 6000 years old
- We know the world is not flat
- We know the world revolves around the sun, not the other way around
- We know the world isn't in the center of the universe


So picking what is fiction and what is fact can be a hard process to do. If the bible is lying about these things, who's to say it's not lying about other things? Christians love to pick and choose from the bible and make up absurd excuses like "WELL its how you interpret it" or "It was just a test of faith, that's why dinosaur bones exist!" etc

The bible is obviously going to contain some factual material of it's time period, just like many movies we make today do, but it doesn't mean it's a historically accurate book and to say so would be ignorant to science. Why not disregard the bible, what does it matter if it has good morals or not? We disregard movies, music, paintings we don't like so what makes disregarding the bible any different?

Nibroc420

the bible never claims the earth is flat

the bible never says the earth revovles around the sun.

the bible also never says earth is at the very center of the universe.

It is symbolic. The important theme of the story is that humans followed temptation. Literature always uses symbolism. The Bible is no different.

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]

[QUOTE="XileLord"] The bible is for the most part, not facutal either....

- We know the world is not 6000 years old
- We know the world is not flat
- We know the world revolves around the sun, not the other way around
- We know the world isn't in the center of the universe


So picking what is fiction and what is fact can be a hard process to do. If the bible is lying about these things, who's to say it's not lying about other things? Christians love to pick and choose from the bible and make up absurd excuses like "WELL its how you interpret it" or "It was just a test of faith, that's why dinosaur bones exist!" etc

The bible is obviously going to contain some factual material of it's time period, just like many movies we make today do, but it doesn't mean it's a historically accurate book and to say so would be ignorant to science. Why not disregard the bible, what does it matter if it has good morals or not? We disregard movies, music, paintings we don't like so what makes disregarding the bible any different?

Nibroc420

the bible never claims the earth is flat

the bible never says the earth revovles around the sun.

the bible also never says earth is at the very center of the universe.

How can anyone say Genesis is the words of God when this statement is CLEARLY written by a human's interpretation of the universe?:

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." -1:16

The moon is not a light
The Sun is not a "great light"
The sun is a Star. A very small star
There are trillions upon trillions of stars MUCH GREATER than our sun.

This is clearly written by a man who is writting fiction. Are people saying God doesn't know his own Universe?

Notably, the gosbal of eve was removed for no reason. I don't understand how people can believe a religion where people have added and removed material as they please, for example, the addition of the ressurection story in the 3rd century.

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]how about tell me why it doesnt make sense. furthermore we were talking about earth not all of the known universe. and sure it explains them i mean really whos to say they didnt form in a day whos to say they didnt. sure astrology may of discovered a lot but the simple fact is i have a hard time believing we know half as much as we think we do about stars and planets light years upon light years away. until some one walks on the sun or on neptune i really dont think well know 100% whats really going on there. sort of like how astrology predicts in what 2 billion years the sun will go out and we'll all die....i mean really? do we really know this? honestly? heck in 20 years science may change its mind on the entire thing.Nibroc420

At first i thought maybe you just didn't understand.

But then i read this.

until some one walks on the sunkayoticdreamz

:lol: Possible Troll?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"] sure the earth is 6000 years old. matter cant be destroyed or created. so in essence if this is even remotely true this therefore can lead one to conclude that the earth is very likely made out of old matter. but the organizing or creating of it is merely 6000 years old. i mean take for example im in my 20s but if matter can never be created nor destroyed the material that makes me up is actually far older than someone in there 20s as the matter that is my could of never been created just shifted and organized into such a structure that is a human. yet when i die my body will show the age of someone well say in there 70s if thats when i die yet the reality according to said science is matter was never created to create me so therefore im actually billions and trillions of years old. so using science why cant we conclude that maybe the earth shows an age of 4.5 billion but has only been around for 6000 years old.

the bible never claims the earth is flat

the bible never says the earth revovles around the sun.

the bible also never says earth is at the very center of the universe.

Blue-Sky

How can anyone say Genesis is the words of God when this statement is CLEARLY written by a human's interpretation of the universe?:

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." -1:16

The moon is not a light
The Sun is not a "great light"
The sun is a Star. A very small star
There are trillions upon trillions of stars MUCH GREATER than our sun.

This is clearly written by a man who is writting fiction. Are people saying God doesn't know his own Universe?

Can't you say the whole Bible is human interpretation then since all the books were written by humans? Therefore, since people claim we can't understand God...the entire book is false due to it being shaped by our own limits.

It is symbolic. The important theme of the story is that humans followed temptation. Literature always uses symbolism. The Bible is no different.

LJS9502_basic

maybe your god is just "symbolic"

I was just talking about this with my sister yesterday (excluding the Eden story). I used to be Christian, while my mom was Catholic and my dad Muslim. Last year, I started questioning everything more, trying not to think too much about, and finding myself in between Christianity and Islam. As of now I'm really finding interest in further exploring Islam and converting.JediMindTrip

islam is just as ridiculous. According to islam, god chose an illiterate man to pass his word onto the earth. God had him live in a cave for years upon years, memorizing verses told to him by an Angel, which he would then pass on verbally, so that they could be written down years after his death............ makes sense?

the Quran is full of contradictions and scientific inaccuracies, just like the bible is. The only reason why there are so fewer is because the quran is shorter and was written by fewer authors in a shorter period of time. it is a flawed, sexist, violent, inane piece of literature with mediocre poetry and vacant moral platitudes which were lifted from other religions.

the only appeal in islam is that its a bit more exotic than western christianity. it has all the same flaws.

edit: on top of that Muhammad was a pedophile and a mass murderer. this is not my opinion, this is historical fact. I didnt learn this from some atheist site. I learned it in a "world history" college class.

why did he even make an evil talking snake in the first place

Good job, you've seen mistakes in Christianity. Now convert to Islam (last step!).Victorious_Fize

not sure if serious

- This same story exists in islam, so it applies equally

- I touched upon a few basic reasons why islam is absurd, a few comments above. I find islam to be even less credible than christianity, considering its clear historical origins

- almost all of my theological issues with christianity apply to islam

- I think the idea of a god in general is nonsensical

- Im no more fond of the homophobia, sexism, and violence in the quran than that in the bible

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Good job, you've seen mistakes in Christianity. Now convert to Islam (last step!).arbitor365

not sure if serious

- This same story exists in islam, so it applies equally

- I touched upon a few basic reasons why islam is absurd, a few comments above. I find islam to be even less credible than christianity, considering its clear historical origins

- almost all of my theological issues with christianity apply to islam

- I think the idea of a god in general is nonsensical

- Im no more fond of the homophobia, sexism, and violence in the quran than that in the bible

No offense, but you don't look enlightened at all. You just changed opinions, to worse, in my opinion.

No offense, but you don't look enlightened at all. You just changed opinions, to worse, in my opinion.Victorious_Fize

well, I dont believe in "enlightenment." but I do think I have a firmer grasp on reality and a better reconciliation of my ethics now, as an atheist, than I ever did following some ancient superstition.

being an atheist doesnt make me enlightened. being an atheist doesnt even necessarily make me rational. Just because i disregard the most commonplace example of irrationality, that doesnt mean that I am incapable of being an irrational idiot in other areas. there are atheists who believe in totally nonsensical things.

An all knowing god would know what would happen, so yeah it was set up.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"] sure the earth is 6000 years old. matter cant be destroyed or created. so in essence if this is even remotely true this therefore can lead one to conclude that the earth is very likely made out of old matter. but the organizing or creating of it is merely 6000 years old. i mean take for example im in my 20s but if matter can never be created nor destroyed the material that makes me up is actually far older than someone in there 20s as the matter that is my could of never been created just shifted and organized into such a structure that is a human. yet when i die my body will show the age of someone well say in there 70s if thats when i die yet the reality according to said science is matter was never created to create me so therefore im actually billions and trillions of years old. so using science why cant we conclude that maybe the earth shows an age of 4.5 billion but has only been around for 6000 years old.

the bible never claims the earth is flat

the bible never says the earth revovles around the sun.

the bible also never says earth is at the very center of the universe.

Blue-Sky

How can anyone say Genesis is the words of God when this statement is CLEARLY written by a human's interpretation of the universe?:

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." -1:16

The moon is not a light
The Sun is not a "great light"
The sun is a Star. A very small star
There are trillions upon trillions of stars MUCH GREATER than our sun.

This is clearly written by a man who is writting fiction. Are people saying God doesn't know his own Universe?

and while the sun may in fact be a star. distiguishing it from the other stars with its own name makes far more sense especially given the fact it is an amazing star worthy of its own name. i mean imagine the confusion if the sun didnt have its own name.

i think when God spoke those words he was referring to the reference frame of us here on earth. heck what sense would it make to start babbling on about how the other worlds were created. for one its mostly irrelevant. secondly until we really understand this world why try and understand others. and thirdly the nearest world of any possible habitation is like 300 000 years away....so ya im pretty sure any and all references in the bible speak of this world and this one alone.

yeah i always thought there were some contradictions but what is there to do, maybe somewhere along the way someone goofed up a translation or yeah.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Your claim to how the earth is only 600 years old is a joke. And it wouldn't account for the Earth Sun and Stars being made in days(as told in genesis)

kayoticdreamz

How can anyone say Genesis is the words of God when this statement is CLEARLY written by a human's interpretation of the universe?:

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." -1:16

The moon is not a light
The Sun is not a "great light"
The sun is a Star. A very small star
There are trillions upon trillions of stars MUCH GREATER than our sun.

This is clearly written by a man who is writting fiction. Are people saying God doesn't know his own Universe?

and while the sun may in fact be a star. distiguishing it from the other stars with its own name makes far more sense especially given the fact it is an amazing star worthy of its own name. i mean imagine the confusion if the sun didnt have its own name.

i think when God spoke those words he was referring to the reference frame of us here on earth. heck what sense would it make to start babbling on about how the other worlds were created. for one its mostly irrelevant. secondly until we really understand this world why try and understand others. and thirdly the nearest world of any possible habitation is like 300 000 years away....so ya im pretty sure any and all references in the bible speak of this world and this one alone.

i thought the moon reflected the suns light? So it technicaly cant be a light on its on right?