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#1 HFkami
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQv-sdMCClQ&feature=channel_video_title

man america and all of the west turns into a dictatorship, seriously you can be sued for everything, this is not a democrazy.

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#3 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="HFkami"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQv-sdMCClQ&feature=channel_video_title

man america and all of the west turns into a dictatorship, seriously you can be sued for everything, this is not a democrazy.

As soon as I read, "The truth," I knew this would be comedy gold; I'm not dissapointed.
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Tailor made for Ron Paul supportersDroidPhysX

I like some things about Ron Paul, but I cannot stand a lot of his supporters. So god damn annoying.

And seriously TC, a youtube video? Clearly the best source for reliable information.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQv-sdMCClQ&feature=channel_video_title

man america and all of the west turns into a dictatorship, seriously you can be sued for everything, this is not a democrazy.

HFkami

And that video was about as far from reality as you can get.

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#6 surrealnumber5
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sUeSA, as much as i hate current IP laws and the "protective" state, i really cant back "THE TRUTH!", sadly i cannot spell out the dramatic music that plays in my head when "THE TRUTH!" is said/typed/thought

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#7 Masculus
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I always lol from this kinda stuff.

It sure looks like the U.S. is taking into it's heart the tradition of the continent and becoming a banana republic. All the moronic crap ultra-right/left alarmists are shouting about is sure to be a sign of that.

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#8 chandlerr_360
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It is definitely propoganda esque and a lot of it is completely false, but some of it has some 'truth' to it. To be honest a lot of what I watched of that video was pretty laughable and was just senseless fear mongering for obviously uninformed individuals.
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#10 LJS9502_basic
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Youtube? I don't associate that with truth.
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It is definitely propoganda esque and a lot of it is completely false, but some of it has some 'truth' to it. To be honest a lot of what I watched of that video was pretty laughable and was just senseless fear mongering for obviously uninformed individuals.chandlerr_360
Propaganda only needs a drop of truth mixed in to snag the ignorant.
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Another election period, another time for all of the Ron Paul supporters to come out of hiding and flood the internet with garbage.

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#14 topsemag55
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this is not a democrazy.HFkami
The U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.
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#15 ChampionoChumps
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[QUOTE="HFkami"] this is not a democrazy.topsemag55
The U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.

It's a democratic-republic and why do people even make videos like that? What a waste of time.
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Let me guess, overly dramatic music and poorly stitched together clips?
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[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]It is definitely propoganda esque and a lot of it is completely false, but some of it has some 'truth' to it. To be honest a lot of what I watched of that video was pretty laughable and was just senseless fear mongering for obviously uninformed individuals.vfibsux
Propaganda only needs a drop of truth mixed in to snag the ignorant.

Oooooh... that... is quotable. If you thought that up, I may use it in a future sig... is that OK with you? (giving you credit of course)
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[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]It is definitely propoganda esque and a lot of it is completely false, but some of it has some 'truth' to it. To be honest a lot of what I watched of that video was pretty laughable and was just senseless fear mongering for obviously uninformed individuals.Frame_Dragger
Propaganda only needs a drop of truth mixed in to snag the ignorant.

Oooooh... that... is quotable. If you thought that up, I may use it in a future sig... is that OK with you? (giving you credit of course)

It's not a new thought if that is what you mean.
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#19 Frame_Dragger
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Let me guess, overly dramatic music and poorly stitched together clips?TransFishers
Dude... buy a lottery ticket RIGHT NOW... yer puh-sigh-kick! ;) (seriously though, bang on) @ChampionoChumps: Indirectly Federated Republic... baaa-Zing!
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#20 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="vfibsux"] Propaganda only needs a drop of truth mixed in to snag the ignorant.LJS9502_basic
Oooooh... that... is quotable. If you thought that up, I may use it in a future sig... is that OK with you? (giving you credit of course)

It's not a new thought if that is what you mean.

No, I'm familiar with the, "best lies have a kernel of truth" motif, but that is a wording I particularly enjoy relating to propoganda. Previously my go-to quote has been, "Propaganda is a monologue which seeks not a response but an echo" (W.H. Auden)
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a woman is like a beer; ice cold, smells good, and after you have one you cant help but to.... forget that son, a woman is like a fridge; 300 lbs cold...... -homer
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#22 kuraimen
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It's a corporatocracy not a democracy. Like most of the world.
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#23 Frame_Dragger
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It's a corporatocracy not a democracy. Like most of the world.kuraimen
In theory it's an Indirectly Federated Republic, and it's also a Plutocracy (what you said, but more accurate). Much as China is a Communist-Capitalist Gerantocracy.
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#24 GrudHeap
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It's a republic. Don't know why we even call it a democracy. I'd argue that we're also sort of an unofficial aristocracy.

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#25 Frame_Dragger
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It's a republic. Don't know why we even call it a democracy. I'd argue that we're also sort of an unofficial aristocracy.

GrudHeap
We don't have an aristocracy... a plutocracy or quasi-oligarchy is more on-target.
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#26 LJS9502_basic
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It's a republic. Don't know why we even call it a democracy. I'd argue that we're also sort of an unofficial aristocracy.

GrudHeap
The United States is the world's oldest surviving federation. It is a constitutional republic and representative democracy....as they say. One can't exactly eliminate democracy from the description....and it's not an aristocracy.....if people are too apathetic to exercise their voice by voting...then they deserve what they get. Though it's a shame others that DO vote get stuck with it as well.
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#27 GrudHeap
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[QUOTE="GrudHeap"]

It's a republic. Don't know why we even call it a democracy. I'd argue that we're also sort of an unofficial aristocracy.

LJS9502_basic

The United States is the world's oldest surviving federation. It is a constitutional republic and representative democracy....as they say. One can't exactly eliminate democracy from the description....and it's not an aristocracy.....if people are too apathetic to exercise their voice by voting...then they deserve what they get. Though it's a shame others that DO vote get stuck with it as well.

I mean in the sense that rich people and wealthy corperations get far more (perhaps unofficial) rights than poorer people. As much as we see stories about middle class citezens suing corperations, being wealthy and having a legal team makes all the difference in the world.

But you guys seem to have the vocabulary for it down more than I do, I'm not really up-to-date on all the -archies and -acies.

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#28 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GrudHeap"]

It's a republic. Don't know why we even call it a democracy. I'd argue that we're also sort of an unofficial aristocracy.

GrudHeap

The United States is the world's oldest surviving federation. It is a constitutional republic and representative democracy....as they say. One can't exactly eliminate democracy from the description....and it's not an aristocracy.....if people are too apathetic to exercise their voice by voting...then they deserve what they get. Though it's a shame others that DO vote get stuck with it as well.

I mean in the sense that rich people and wealthy corperations get far more (perhaps unofficial) rights than poorer people. As much as we see stories about middle class citezens suing corperations, being wealthy and having a legal team makes all the difference in the world.

But you guys seem to have the vocabulary for it down more than I do, I'm not really up-to-date on all the -archies and -acies.

Because the wealthy do in fact vote for their interests....and the poor are too uninterested to do so.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GrudHeap"]

It's a republic. Don't know why we even call it a democracy. I'd argue that we're also sort of an unofficial aristocracy.

GrudHeap

The United States is the world's oldest surviving federation. It is a constitutional republic and representative democracy....as they say. One can't exactly eliminate democracy from the description....and it's not an aristocracy.....if people are too apathetic to exercise their voice by voting...then they deserve what they get. Though it's a shame others that DO vote get stuck with it as well.

I mean in the sense that rich people and wealthy corperations get far more (perhaps unofficial) rights than poorer people. As much as we see stories about middle ****citezens suing corperations, being wealthy and having a legal team makes all the difference in the world.

But you guys seem to have the vocabulary for it down more than I do, I'm not really up-to-date on all the -archies and -acies.

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#30 GrudHeap
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Because the wealthy do in fact vote for their interests....and the poor are too uninterested to do so.LJS9502_basic
Their lobbying, campaign contributions and investments count for a lot more than the votes of the lower class majority when it comes to controlling rights, laws and power.

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#31 scorch-62
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I refuse to watch a one hour video based on shock tactics.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Because the wealthy do in fact vote for their interests....and the poor are too uninterested to do so.GrudHeap

Their lobbying, campaign contributions and investments count for a lot more than the votes of the lower class majority when it comes to controlling rights, laws and power.

This... Its a democracy all right, but a democracy for the wealthy, for it is only their voice that gets heard and validated, because of their money/power! Corporatocracy, and corporiticians! It isn't that the poor is uninterested, its that they are shoved aside and get told lets hear from people that actually make money!

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#33 GrudHeap
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This... Its a democracy all right, but a democracy for the wealthy, for it is only their voice that gets heard and validated, because of their money/power! Corporatocracy, and corporiticians! It isn't that the poor is uninterested, its that they are shoved aside and get told lets hear from people that acutually make money!

Lach0121

Job creators, ya know?

What a post-class society we are.

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#34 Lach0121
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[QUOTE="Lach0121"]This... Its a democracy all right, but a democracy for the wealthy, for it is only their voice that gets heard and validated, because of their money/power! Corporatocracy, and corporiticians! It isn't that the poor is uninterested, its that they are shoved aside and get told lets hear from people that acutually make money!

GrudHeap

Job creators, ya know?

What a post-class society we are.

LMAO "job creators" that is Rich (pun intended)!

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[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]It is definitely propoganda esque and a lot of it is completely false, but some of it has some 'truth' to it. To be honest a lot of what I watched of that video was pretty laughable and was just senseless fear mongering for obviously uninformed individuals.Frame_Dragger
Propaganda only needs a drop of truth mixed in to snag the ignorant.

Oooooh... that... is quotable. If you thought that up, I may use it in a future sig... is that OK with you? (giving you credit of course)

Actually I can take credit for that one lol. Go for it.
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i hate the corporatiststate as much, if not more than, your average person but damn i will never understand how or why people blame the companies asking for special treatment over the ones with power who grant it. also i laugh whenever someone calls our restricted and protected economy a capitalist free market.

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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="vfibsux"] Propaganda only needs a drop of truth mixed in to snag the ignorant.vfibsux
Oooooh... that... is quotable. If you thought that up, I may use it in a future sig... is that OK with you? (giving you credit of course)

Actually I can take credit for that one lol. Go for it.

Niiiiice turn of phrase man, I've added it to my list with your username as credit. Thanks for the greenlight!
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#38 branketra
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America is not a democracy. It's a republic.
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i hate the corporatiststate as much, if not more than, your average person but damn i will never understand how or why people blame the companies asking for special treatment over the ones with power who grant it. also i laugh whenever someone calls our restricted and protected economy a capitalist free market.

surrealnumber5

Very well put.

I too find it interesting that those who bemoan the currying of govt power/favoritism think the solution is more govt power .............that can then be purchased by the wealthy.

All people are ultimately self-interested and will pursue their own best interests. But it is only those in govt that have the police power of the state at their disposal to obtain their interests, and those of who they favor.

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#40 M4Ntan
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Ron Paul 2012 I say

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True the US is an Capitalist dictatorship where economics controls every aspect of human life. The US never was a real democracy.

Thank God that I don't live in the US though because if I was, I would die homeless on the streets.

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True the US is an Capitalist dictatorship where economics controls every aspect of human life. The US never was a real democracy.

Thank God that I don't live in the US though because if I was, I would die homeless on the streets.

roboticman2

you might also know what youre talking about if you lived here, just saying is all....

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#43 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="roboticman2"]

True the US is an Capitalist dictatorship where economics controls every aspect of human life. The US never was a real democracy.

Thank God that I don't live in the US though because if I was, I would die homeless on the streets.

Wow... tell us what you REALLY think man, don't hold back like this... it isn't good for you.
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US has more freedom of speech than any other country. Even if you say something in Canada, they can still investigate you if they don't like it.

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True the US is an Capitalist dictatorship where economics controls every aspect of human life. The US never was a real democracy.

Thank God that I don't live in the US though because if I was, I would die homeless on the streets.

roboticman2

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.....without experience of what it's like in the US.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="roboticman2"]

True the US is an Capitalist dictatorship where economics controls every aspect of human life. The US never was a real democracy.

Thank God that I don't live in the US though because if I was, I would die homeless on the streets.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.....without experience of what it's like in the US.

Dude, like... you don't GET it man. You see, we're fooled by the corporate media, but other people GET IT. They KNOW that we're slaaaaves maaaan, because they read an article somewhere that said STUFF. You can't argue with opinion brah, 'cause like, everyone has them and that's all that matters. ;)
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True the US is an Capitalist dictatorship where economics controls every aspect of human life. The US never was a real democracy.

Thank God that I don't live in the US though because if I was, I would die homeless on the streets.

roboticman2

You would die homeless on the streets because you would refuse to work like a spoiled brat.

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i will never understand how or why people blame the companies asking for special treatment over the ones with power who grant it.

surrealnumber5

Because they are contributing to the behavior of said government. Were I to use rhetoric the way Ron Paul does, the corporations are employing professional bank robbers. (ofc, so do all special interests)

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#49 Ace6301
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US has more freedom of speech than any other country. Even if you say something in Canada, they can still investigate you if they don't like it.

M4Ntan
They can actually do that in the US too. Since the patriot act came into being Canada actually probably has the edge on the US when it comes to freedoms of speech.
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#50 DroidPhysX
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Ron Paul 2012 I say

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Again, vote Paul if you want to roll back social progress