The Universe - Are people really this stupid?

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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I think that to call people who don't believe in aliens "stupid" is rather insulting, as I don't believe there are any aliens out there.:|xaos

Do you have any reason to believe that? Or is it because you're Christian?

same thing can be said for god. :wink:

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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I think that to call people who don't believe in aliens "stupid" is rather insulting, as I don't believe there are any aliens out there.:|comp_atkins

Do you have any reason to believe that? Or is it because you're Christian?

same thing can be said for god. :wink:

Indeed, but god is not Logic, other life forms are.

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Life on Earth intelegent??

If people find this funny then all is lost for life on Earth

daqua_99

Neither of you can even spell "intelligent" right, so I'd get basic grammar down first before insulting others.

Of course there are countless galaxies, stars and planets out there, but when you reduce that to the amount of habitable places in our Universe, Earth is the only one as far as we know. Even though Earth is perfect for harbouring life, there is still only one intelligent species among the billions that have ever existed here. Even if there are even millions of other civilizations out there, we may never even get to contact them.Buffalo_Soulja

Astronomers have been finding more and more suitable planets.. Infact they have put down to the point where they think every 1/20th they find is possibly suitable for life.

Conditions have to be so absolutely perfect for life to be sustained, that it is likely that we are the only intelligent life.jim_shorts

I'm sure it's possible, but there's no real scientific evidence. Logically speaking, there should be, and in fact it's more than likely, but we have no proof. It's also more than likely we will never see an alien being in our lifetime and our children's lifetime and grandchildren's lifetime, so on and so forth.

And for people arguing for/against aliens existing, here is the Goldilock's phenomenon, which is the guidelines used to see if carbon-based lifeforms could live in an area. They are a set of guidelines, but they aren't perfect, so read at your own discretion (not very long read, either, just a paragraph or two).

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Conditions have to be so absolutely perfect for life to be sustained, that it is likely that we are the only intelligent life.Greatgone12

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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I think that to call people who don't believe in aliens "stupid" is rather insulting, as I don't believe there are any aliens out there.:|mimic-Denmark

Do you have any reason to believe that? Or is it because you're Christian?

same thing can be said for god. :wink:

Indeed, but god is not Logic, other life forms are.

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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Conditions have to be so absolutely perfect for life to be sustained, that it is likely that we are the only intelligent life.tman93

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Conditions have to be so absolutely perfect for life to be sustained, that it is likely that we are the only intelligent life.tman93

The question should not be posed "whether there exists intelligent life?" because intelligence has no barring on being smart. Intelligence refers to an organism's ability to interact with the environment bythe use of 5 senses that are equally developed which canhaveattributesto have limbs that can grasp things with precision, and sensory receptors that can tell its brain that there are three dimensional objects that have a close or far limit based on stereo-scopic layers. Fact remains that not all organisms can make use of the color spectrum by gaining the vast amount of hues our eyes can reflect by our optics.

If there is an idea of other worldsholding what you may refer as a civilization, then it only means that a group of beings have established a centralized form of government, and thereby being deemedcivil.

[QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Conditions have to be so absolutely perfect for life to be sustained, that it is likely that we are the only intelligent life.jim_shorts

There are millions of stars in each galaxy and billions upon billions (possibly trillions) of galaxies in the universe, so the question should not be "Is there intelligent life?"

It should really just be a statement. "We are not the only civilization, but we will never find the other civilizations that do exist."

What do you think?

Light_Destroyer

i think that its a little naive to think we are the only intelligent life form (though tbt, we're not really that intelligent) like you say there are billions if not trillions of galaxies, i think its very possible that for species exists on other planets

however, until it is proven (which may be never) it is always going to be a question of "is there, life on other planets?"

I just don't like how the creatures on this planet believe we are the center of the universe. A lot of people contradict themselves when they say things like, "Yes the universe is very big and has billions of places, but it is virtually impossible that life exists because the 1/10^987557967558949th planets that we have found cannot sustain life.

It is very irrational (and unscientific) to just make a conclusion on a theory that should be left open until we either A) Find Life or B) Create the technology that scans the entire universe until we know everything that is on the surface of every planet.

I just don't like how the creatures on this planet believe we are the center of the universe. A lot of people contradict themselves when they say things like, "Yes the universe is very big and has billions of places, but it is virtually impossible that life exists because the 1/10^987557967558949th planets that we have found cannot sustain life.

It is very irrational (and unscientific) to just make a conclusion on a theory that should be left open until we either A) Find Life or B) Create the technology that scans the entire universe until we know everything that is on the surface of every planet.

Light_Destroyer

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I just don't like how the creatures on this planet believe we are the center of the universe. A lot of people contradict themselves when they say things like, "Yes the universe is very big and has billions of places, but it is virtually impossible that life exists because the 1/10^987557967558949th planets that we have found cannot sustain life.

It is very irrational (and unscientific) to just make a conclusion on a theory that should be left open until we either A) Find Life or B) Create the technology that scans the entire universe until we know everything that is on the surface of every planet.

xaos

When I said stupid, I was really just trying to convey a sense that a lot of people don't consider all the factors of the universe and just dismiss it as an empty void with one tiny planet sustaining life.

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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Conditions have to be so absolutely perfect for life to be sustained, that it is likely that we are the only intelligent life.tman93

No. I think it's weird how some people think life can come out of no where :|

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Conditions have to be so absolutely perfect for life to be sustained, that it is likely that we are the only intelligent life.xaos

The Hubble telescope has found around 350-500 million galaxies so far (thats just what we can see), each galaxy having a possible around 2 billion to a trillion stars in it. Each star could have dozens if not more planets around it, excluding the possibility of moons having life on it.. Lets not forget that this habitable zone can only be considered on a single star system, there are uncountable amounts of binary systems as well as other unique occurences in numbers we really can't fathom. And as I said earlier with the discovery of that one planet with water on it, it has lead to the idea and discovery due to our improving technology that every planet we look upon now that we originally couldn't its estimated that 1 out of every 20 planets may have conditions suitable for life.

Transpermia is a very dubious method to me; viruses are about the only earth-based life forms (and their status as lifeforms is in question) that could survive hard vacuum,

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Conditions have to be so absolutely perfect for life to be sustained, that it is likely that we are the only intelligent life.sSubZerOo

The Hubble telescope has found around 350-500 million galaxies so far (thats just what we can see), each galaxy having a possible around 2 billion to a trillion stars in it. Each star could have dozens if not more planets around it, excluding the possibility of moons having life on it.. Lets not forget that this habitable zone can only be considered on a single star system, there are uncountable amounts of binary systems as well as other unique occurences in numbers we really can't fathom. And as I said earlier with the discovery of that one planet with water on it, it has lead to the idea and discovery due to our improving technology that every planet we look upon now that we originally couldn't its estimated that 1 out of every 20 planets may have conditions suitable for life.

After watching a few videos on youtube and looking at new pictures I know have a new understanding of the vastness of the universe.

I mean, I know people always say we are the only intelligent life in the universe, but how is that possible.

There are millions of stars in each galaxy and billions upon billions (possibly trillions) of galaxies in the universe, so the question should not be "Is there intelligent life?"

It should really just be a statement. "We are not the only civilization, but we will never find the other civilizations that do exist."

What do you think?

Light_Destroyer

I pretty much agree with you. To think that we are alone in the universe is just pretty stupid. By the way, the title of the thread is a bit misleading.

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Conditions have to be so absolutely perfect for life to be sustained, that it is likely that we are the only intelligent life.xaos

The Hubble telescope has found around 350-500 million galaxies so far (thats just what we can see), each galaxy having a possible around 2 billion to a trillion stars in it. Each star could have dozens if not more planets around it, excluding the possibility of moons having life on it.. Lets not forget that this habitable zone can only be considered on a single star system, there are uncountable amounts of binary systems as well as other unique occurences in numbers we really can't fathom. And as I said earlier with the discovery of that one planet with water on it, it has lead to the idea and discovery due to our improving technology that every planet we look upon now that we originally couldn't its estimated that 1 out of every 20 planets may have conditions suitable for life.

I think the bigger question is when we will be able to even detect if there is life dozens of light years away for the "close" areas near us.

Transpermia is a very dubious method to me; viruses are about the only earth-based life forms (and their status as lifeforms is in question) that could survive hard vacuum,

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I think that to call people who don't believe in aliens "stupid" is rather insulting, as I don't believe there are any aliens out there.:|jointed

Do you have any reason to believe that? Or is it because you're Christian?

What does Christianity have anything to do with it?

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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I think that to call people who don't believe in aliens "stupid" is rather insulting, as I don't believe there are any aliens out there.:|Silver_Dragon17

Do you have any reason to believe that? Or is it because you're Christian?

What does Christianity have anything to do with it?

Because its a bias? Your part of the creationist union, of course your gonna full out disagree with it regardless of any logical deductions.. Because life outside of earth would undermine the ideas of Adam and Eve, as well as other ideas. Religion for the most part has always shown man to be the most superior race to have existed.. I wonder what that would mean for religions if we infact came incontact with another sentient being.

Not saying its wrong but there is a reason why to question it.. For me I think its a very very high possibility, from teh vastness we have seen not to mention the astronomy discussion on how our solar system was created.. It seems very likely it has happened, but till there is facts this is just a idea.

[QUOTE="xaos"] I learned something new (re: vaccum-packed bacteria), so thanks for that; and yeah, extremophiles are quite amazing. The ones at ocean vents that metabolize sulphur compounds and are the only ones known to live completely independent of solar energy directly or indirectly just amaze me; they could survive nuclear winter O_O. I definitely agree that they have forced a broadening of "conceivable" biological processes.br0kenrabbit

Intill our sun goes red giant and burns us alive at least.

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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]I think that to call people who don't believe in aliens "stupid" is rather insulting, as I don't believe there are any aliens out there.:|sSubZerOo

Do you have any reason to believe that? Or is it because you're Christian?

What does Christianity have anything to do with it?

Because its a bias? Your part of the creationist union, of course your gonna full out disagree with it regardless of any logical deductions.. Because life outside of earth would undermine the ideas of Adam and Eve, as well as other ideas. Religion for the most part has always shown man to be the most superior race to have existed.. I wonder what that would mean for religions if we infact came incontact with another sentient being.

Not saying its wrong but there is a reason why to question it.. For me I think its a very very high possibility, from teh vastness we have seen not to mention the astronomy discussion on how our solar system was created.. It seems very likely it has happened, but till there is facts this is just a idea.

:lol:

Seriously, WTF is up with that? My being a creationist OR a Christian has NOTHING to do with it!:lol: Because I don't assume there is life out there?

Aliens wouldn't contradict ANYTHING in the Bible. . .hell, some verses appear to describe aliens! No, finding alien life has a better chance of proving a religion CORRECT than disproving it altogether.;)

Intill our sun goes red giant and burns us alive at least.

sSubZerOo

Aliens wouldn't contradict ANYTHING in the Bible. . .hell, some verses appear to describe aliens! No, finding alien life has a better chance of proving a religion CORRECT than disproving it altogether.;)

Silver_Dragon17

By the year 3000, we would have expanded life over the solar system, with populations throughout the solar system. Space conolization will be a BIG thing within a few hundred years. There's ways of making Mars a habitable place by warming up the temperature, and also living on Jupiter's moons (which have ice),etc.

I recommend looking here, I spent an hour reading around and it was damn worth it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization

Current NASA chief Michael Griffin has identified space colonization as the ultimate goal of current spaceflight programs, saying: