There are no atheists

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Dammit, having people on ignore messes the new posts button when they post. =(

Teenaged

ooo have I been ignored??

If I had you on ignore I wouldnt be able to see your post and reply to you. :P

Damn. :P

I was just going to assume if you didn't reply.

He was not using atheism in its literal dictionary sense, that's the whole point. He's trying to make YOU think outside the worship a god not worship a god debate and focus on a more general and basic phenomenon that underlies our believes in gods which is a natural predisposition to worship and/or explain the world around us and which is part of the human nature even waaaaaayyyyy before words like "atheism" and "theism" were invented. But I guess it went over everyone's head here. Too "complicated" perhaps.

kuraimen

STOP TWISTING MY WORDS!

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Eh a person with the capacity to analyze and think beyond a mere definition will easily make sense of it.

kuraimen

When a word is being used incorrectly (not by its definition), the phrase it's used in will make no sense. That's just the way it is.

...which doesnt justify your hyperbolic unclarified and vague conclusion that there are no atheists.

Maybe your "thoughts" went over everyone's head because you have a hard time being comprehensive.

...which doesnt justify your hyperbolic unclarified and vague conclusion that there are no atheists.

Maybe your "thoughts" went over everyone's head because you have a hard time being comprehensive.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Can it be possible that people here are so incapable of reasoning to this level? Well maybe it is, this is GS after all. Everyone takes everything literally, no wonder people complain about education these days. I expect people here can't even begin to comprehend basic figures of speech like metaphors and similes since words don't carry their literal meanings... sighchilly-chill

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Necrifer"]

When a word is being used incorrectly (not by its definition), the phrase it's used in will make no sense. That's just the way it is.

Teenaged

...which doesnt justify your hyperbolic unclarified and vague conclusion that there are no atheists.

Maybe your "thoughts" went over everyone's head because you have a hard time being comprehensive.

He was not using atheism in its literal dictionary sense, that's the whole point. He's trying to make YOU think outside the worship a god not worship a god debate and focus on a more general and basic phenomenon that underlies our believes in gods which is a natural predisposition to worship and/or explain the world around us and which is part of the human nature even waaaaaayyyyy before words like "atheism" and "theism" were invented. But I guess it went over everyone's head here. Too "complicated" perhaps.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]He was not using atheism in its literal dictionary sense, that's the whole point. He's trying to make YOU think outside the worship a god not worship a god debate and focus on a more general and basic phenomenon that underlies our believes in gods which is a natural predisposition to worship and/or explain the world around us and which is part of the human nature even waaaaaayyyyy before words like "atheism" and "theism" were invented. But I guess it went over everyone's head here. Too "complicated" perhaps.foxhound_fox

I swear to god. I can't tell that's he's trolling anymore.alexside1

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] He was not using atheism in its literal dictionary sense, that's the whole point. He's trying to make YOU think outside the worship a god not worship a god debate and focus on a more general and basic phenomenon that underlies our believes in gods which is a natural predisposition to worship and/or explain the world around us and which is part of the human nature even waaaaaayyyyy before words like "atheism" and "theism" were invented. But I guess it went over everyone's head here. Too "complicated" perhaps.kuraimen

...which doesnt justify your hyperbolic unclarified and vague conclusion that there are no atheists.

Maybe your "thoughts" went over everyone's head because you have a hard time being comprehensive.

Thing is, you didnt bother to make a comprehensive title. In stead you deliberately chose one that you know sounds weird to gain people's attention and while not clarifying in the least bit in the OP you tried to pass yourself as an intellectual because you understand this weird idea that you didnt even bother to adequately analyse for others to understand. And when they didnt understand.... "oh well, I guess you're all just dumb".

The clarifications/explanations that followed after the reasonable objections by posters were full of vague statements and indirect (and direct) insults. Same tactic some ego-stroking a-holes here use to try to sound sophisticated and "in the know".

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

...which doesnt justify your hyperbolic unclarified and vague conclusion that there are no atheists.

Maybe your "thoughts" went over everyone's head because you have a hard time being comprehensive.

Teenaged

Thing is, you didnt bother to make a comprehensive title. In stead you deliberately chose one that you know sounds weird to gain people's attention and while not clarifying in the least bit in the OP you tried to pass yourself as an intellectual because you understand this weird idea that you didnt even bother to adequately analyse for others to understand. And when they didnt understand.... "oh well, I guess you're all just dumb".

The clarifications/explanations that followed after the reasonable objections by posters were full of vague statements and indirect (and direct) insults. Same tactic some ego-stroking a-holes here use to try to sound sophisticated and "in the know".

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]He was not using atheism in its literal dictionary sense, that's the whole point. He's trying to make YOU think outside the worship a god not worship a god debate and focus on a more general and basic phenomenon that underlies our believes in gods which is a natural predisposition to worship and/or explain the world around us and which is part of the human nature even waaaaaayyyyy before words like "atheism" and "theism" were invented. But I guess it went over everyone's head here. Too "complicated" perhaps.kuraimen

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Mine was just a title of a thread and the first sentence of DFW quote basically says the same thing and then explains what he means. Really it isn't so difficult to put those two things together considering they are both in the first post. kuraimen

Thing is, you didnt bother to make a comprehensive title. In stead you deliberately chose one that you know sounds weird to gain people's attention and while not clarifying in the least bit in the OP you tried to pass yourself as an intellectual because you understand this weird idea that you didnt even bother to adequately analyse for others to understand. And when they didnt understand.... "oh well, I guess you're all just dumb".

The clarifications/explanations that followed after the reasonable objections by posters were full of vague statements and indirect (and direct) insults. Same tactic some ego-stroking a-holes here use to try to sound sophisticated and "in the know".

He has a very loose train of thought that can be misconstrued by people simply by taking him out of context.

And assuming there is no context needed for that quote of his, your title is still wrong. Or at least not an irrefutable claim, based on the interpretation of DWF's words that some else can make.

Dont get frustrated because people dont share your interpretation.

Sure it is...kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Sure it is...foxhound_fox

You're just dumb, duh!

rofl

This doesn't reveal any interesting truth or nature of things, this just shifts the definition of atheism over to somewhere that people don't generally use it. Nice quote though.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]If they say the same thing then putting them together doesnt clarify things.

Thing is, you didnt bother to make a comprehensive title. In stead you deliberately chose one that you know sounds weird to gain people's attention and while not clarifying in the least bit in the OP you tried to pass yourself as an intellectual because you understand this weird idea that you didnt even bother to adequately analyse for others to understand. And when they didnt understand.... "oh well, I guess you're all just dumb".

The clarifications/explanations that followed after the reasonable objections by posters were full of vague statements and indirect (and direct) insults. Same tactic some ego-stroking a-holes here use to try to sound sophisticated and "in the know".

Teenaged

He has a very loose train of thought that can be misconstrued by people simply by taking him out of context.

And assuming there is no context needed for that quote of his, your title is still wrong. Or at least not an irrefutable claim, based on the interpretation of DWF's words that some else can make.

Dont get frustrated because people dont share your interpretation.

I'm an atheist. I do not believe in any forms of deities or anything related. I do not worship anything. Your argument is invalid, TC

I swear to god. I can't tell that's he's trolling anymore.alexside1

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I thought the quote was pretty self explanatory and that DFW was pretty straightforward with what he said. Excuse me for overestimating the capacity of people here.kuraimen

He has a very loose train of thought that can be misconstrued by people simply by taking him out of context.

And assuming there is no context needed for that quote of his, your title is still wrong. Or at least not an irrefutable claim, based on the interpretation of DWF's words that some else can make.

Dont get frustrated because people dont share your interpretation.

Well.... he wasnt.

Your vague title and the lack of a proper analysis of your interpretation in the OP is enough to discourage people from trying to be constructive contributors. Dont blame others for not doing what you ought to do, because it made it easy for you to claim intellectual superiority.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Whatever, foxhound... :roll: You're just dumb, duh! roflfoxhound_fox

Choose the good brands. I trust one called "Kurai-mental".

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]No, DWF is not straightforward in that quote.

He has a very loose train of thought that can be misconstrued by people simply by taking him out of context.

And assuming there is no context needed for that quote of his, your title is still wrong. Or at least not an irrefutable claim, based on the interpretation of DWF's words that some else can make.

Dont get frustrated because people dont share your interpretation.

Teenaged

Well.... he wasnt.

Your vague title and the lack of a proper analysis of your interpretation in the OP is enough to discourage people from trying to be constructive contributors. Dont blame others for not doing what you ought to do, because it made it easy for you to claim intellectual superiority.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well I thought he was being straightforward, I have no problem trying to explain if people don't really get it, in fact I tried to do that in this thread and in the first couple of posts people called me stupid, troll and imbecile. When their level of analysis amounts to a couple of sentences with insults because they apparently didn't understand there really is no incentive to explain anything...kuraimen

Well.... he wasnt.

Your vague title and the lack of a proper analysis of your interpretation in the OP is enough to discourage people from trying to be constructive contributors. Dont blame others for not doing what you ought to do, because it made it easy for you to claim intellectual superiority.

I disagree with his premise that those things will eat you alive. That's his opinion and I've seen lots of people lead fulfilling lives without having some god or focus of worship.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well I thought he was being straightforward, I have no problem trying to explain if people don't really get it, in fact I tried to do that in this thread and in the first couple of posts people called me stupid, troll and imbecile. When their level of analysis amounts to a couple of sentences with insults because they apparently didn't understand there really is no incentive to explain anything...kuraimen

Well.... he wasnt.

Your vague title and the lack of a proper analysis of your interpretation in the OP is enough to discourage people from trying to be constructive contributors. Dont blame others for not doing what you ought to do, because it made it easy for you to claim intellectual superiority.

I've met plenty people that are exactly like that.

I find it telling that even though you implied that GS isnt really capable of having this discussion, you keep going, responding to people that question you (not your argument). Is somehow your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority challanged and feel the need to salvage it?

I wouldnt want to stress you out over this.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Well.... he wasnt.

Your vague title and the lack of a proper analysis of your interpretation in the OP is enough to discourage people from trying to be constructive contributors. Dont blame others for not doing what you ought to do, because it made it easy for you to claim intellectual superiority.

Teenaged

I've met plenty people that are exactly like that.

I find it telling that even though you implied that GS isnt really capable of having this discussion, you keep going, responding to people that question you (not your argument). Is somehow your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority challanged and feel the need to salvage it?

I wouldnt want to stress you out over this.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] A friend of mine posted that quote on facebook and it immediately inspired a good sensible discussion about the subject which everyone seemed to get what it was about. But here it inspires insults and people apparently feel threatened because the quote seems too intelligent or cryptic or something. I clearly made a mistake, which was posting it here. kuraimen

I've met plenty people that are exactly like that.

I find it telling that even though you implied that GS isnt really capable of having this discussion, you keep going, responding to people that question you (not your argument). Is somehow your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority challanged and feel the need to salvage it?

I wouldnt want to stress you out over this.

Did you make the thread expecting everyone to tell you you're right?

I disagree with his premise that those things will eat you alive. That's his opinion and I've seen lots of people lead fulfilling lives without having some god or focus of worship.

sonicare

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]People will pretend to understand anything and try to bull**** their way into a conversation if that makes them look smart.

I've met plenty people that are exactly like that.

I find it telling that even though you implied that GS isnt really capable of having this discussion, you keep going, responding to people that question you (not your argument). Is somehow your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority challanged and feel the need to salvage it?

I wouldnt want to stress you out over this.

Teenaged

Did you make the thread expecting everyone to tell you you're right?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I have mostly answered to people who question my argument or that I feel have at least a little bit of substance for what they say. But the first and second page really leave much to be desired since no one cared to even tackle the subject and when they did and I tried to explain they resorted to insults.kuraimen

Did you make the thread expecting everyone to tell you you're right?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I have mostly answered to people who question my argument or that I feel have at least a little bit of substance for what they say. But the first and second page really leave much to be desired since no one cared to even tackle the subject and when they did and I tried to explain they resorted to insults.kuraimen

Did you make the thread expecting everyone to tell you you're right?

Accusing others of not being constructive is a pot-kettle situation here.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Why do you find it so hard to realise that people just dont agree with your interpretation of the quote?

Did you make the thread expecting everyone to tell you you're right?

Teenaged

Accusing others of not being constructive is a pot-kettle situation here.

I don't think the quote is intended to be taken literally. He's saying that where people place their attention, time, and thoughts is a form of worship. That this specific attention to certain thoughts will develop a form of worship involving routine rituals and habits that will determine the quality of life a person lives. His quote does not intend to say that atheists who reject theological beliefs don't exist. For the most part, I agree with his assessment. But I think he expressed himself poorly with his use of the word worship and atheist.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No I have no problem people disagreeing with it or me (see sonicare he disagreed in a non-insulting way), I have a problem when people do it in an insulting way acting as if they can dismiss the quote as stupid just because they can't understand it.kuraimen

Accusing others of not being constructive is a pot-kettle situation here.

I'm referring to your conclusions from his quote. Nice try though.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]How can they not feel like insulting you when your thread title and OP are reaching a vague conclusion with ridiculous implications?

Accusing others of not being constructive is a pot-kettle situation here.

Teenaged

I'm referring to your conclusions from his quote. Nice try though.

I don't think the quote is intended to be taken literally. He's saying that where people place their attention, time, and thoughts is a form of worship. That this specific attention to certain thoughts will develop a form of worship involving routine rituals and habits that will determine the quality of life a person lives. His quote does not intend to say that atheists who reject theological beliefs don't exist. For the most part, I agree with his assessment. But I think he expressed himself poorly with his use of the word worship and atheist.

StRaItJaCkEt36

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I don't feel the quote is trying to be insulting to anybody, with it DFW was merely trying to make a point. Whoever feels insulted by it is probably too insecure or immature or completely missed its point.kuraimen

I'm referring to your conclusions from his quote. Nice try though.

And like I said plenty of times, and you seem to ignore me, your conclusions in the OP were vague and unclarified.

I blame modern times though. Philosophy is often portrayed as being the vague ramblings of incoherent minds, and many wanna-be philosophers (see: SS35) think that mimicking that stereotype automatically makes them interesting. Dont make the same mistake again in the future, please. Thanks.

[QUOTE="StRaItJaCkEt36"]

I don't think the quote is intended to be taken literally. He's saying that where people place their attention, time, and thoughts is a form of worship. That this specific attention to certain thoughts will develop a form of worship involving routine rituals and habits that will determine the quality of life a person lives. His quote does not intend to say that atheists who reject theological beliefs don't exist. For the most part, I agree with his assessment. But I think he expressed himself poorly with his use of the word worship and atheist.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Weird, I didnt sy FDW was insulting anyone.

I'm referring to your conclusions from his quote. Nice try though.

Teenaged

And like I said plenty of times, and you seem to ignore me, your conclusions in the OP were vague and unclarified.

I blame modern times though. Philosophy is often portrayed as being the vague ramblings of incoherent minds, and many wanna-be philosophers (see: SS35) think that mimicking that stereotype automatically makes them interesting. Dont make the same mistake again in the future, please. Thanks.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="StRaItJaCkEt36"]

I don't think the quote is intended to be taken literally. He's saying that where people place their attention, time, and thoughts is a form of worship. That this specific attention to certain thoughts will develop a form of worship involving routine rituals and habits that will determine the quality of life a person lives. His quote does not intend to say that atheists who reject theological beliefs don't exist. For the most part, I agree with his assessment. But I think he expressed himself poorly with his use of the word worship and atheist.

Charazani

I find it telling that even though you implied that GS isnt really capable of having this discussion, you keep going, responding to people that question you (not your argument). Is somehow your self-proclaimed intellectual superiority challanged and feel the need to salvage it?

Teenaged

He is really good at that.

What is this I don't even.