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I also continue to wonder why gays are so obsessed with being able to get married, and straight people for that matter. I see no benefit in marriagemingmao3046Marriage is an ancient ritual that serves no real purpose, but there are tax benefits to be gained. Besides, it's mostly just a principle and equality thing.
"chic-fil-a kissing day" probably isn't the best way to bring attention to the gay marriage issue, but the protestors aren't really doing anything wrong or illegal by entering a chic-fil-a and kissing eachother, so whatever.
Can't say I agree with their stance but since I'm straight and love their food, I don't care.
Also, if those protesters are concerned about gay rights, they should boycott oil companies and gas stations since those profits do go to Middle Eastern countries who would execute a person just for being gay
You can't really boycott specific oil companies (or oil from a specific region for that matter) at the consumer level since oil is based on a global commodities market.Can't say I agree with their stance but since I'm straight and love their food, I don't care.
Also, if those protesters are concerned about gay rights, they should boycott oil companies and gas stations since those profits do go to Middle Eastern countries who would execute a person just for being gay
leviathan91
So will it onvolve kissing or night club behavior? Choose one, TC.
I couldnt care less what the parents have to explain to their kids. Their problem. Kissing in public isnt breaking any decency rules imo, so...
Unless they're "eating" each other's face. That would just be funny.
EDIT: Not trying to make a joke about that incident with the "eating each other's face" comment.
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[QUOTE="J-man45"]
Um, no. Actions that make others think negatively of them is....bad publicity.
J-man45
To you it's being obnoxious, to them it's showing people that what they do is just as normal as what anyone else does.
Really? No, seriously... Really? A 'Kissing Day' isn't just as normal as what anyone else does. Even the poster I was quoting admits it is obnoxious.
He wasnt referring to the kissing day as "normal", J-man (obviously any day devoted to something is strictly speaking out of the ordinary), but homosexuality in general.see i'm like you but I found out that chick-fil-a actually donates millions of dollars to anti-gay organizations and they are using my money to do it, and I can't get behind it and don't eat there anymore. Thousands of other restaurants and food places to it at, so i'm not hurting.Can't say I agree with their stance but since I'm straight and love their food, I don't care.
Also, if those protesters are concerned about gay rights, they should boycott oil companies and gas stations since those profits do go to Middle Eastern countries who would execute a person just for being gay
leviathan91
[QUOTE="theone86"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]
I support gay marriage but this gay kissy kissy day at chic fil a is not helping their cause one bit. They plan on going into a fast food restaurant and acting like it's a gay night club. This isn't something to do at a family establishment especially when there will be kids whose parents will have to try to explain wtf is going on. This is giving gays a flamboyant image which isn't good.
The CEO of Chic Fil A donated some money to Christian organizations....not organizations that actively try to put down gays....and he's a Christian so he believes in the marriage of man and woman, not man and man. That is his opinion. He doesn't refuse service to gays or anything....
The gay movement has made some good ground, 40 years ago you would beat up by cops for being gay but now it's socially acceptable to come out of the closet. I think it's time for a drug rights movement
jeremiah06
Actually, he donated to organizations who specifically attack gay marriage and promote an anti-homosexual agenda.
Children will be seeing gay people kiss? Oh no, they might actually think that being gay is normal and acceptable! Who would want that?
What real power does this "agenda" have? At this point in the human experience you know where you stand on gay rights and an activism group isn't going to change your mind... You do understand that politicians do nothing but carry out the policies of the highest bidder right? Throwing millions at a problem DOES make a difference in this free "democracy" we live in. Time for a reality check.[QUOTE="Shmiity"]
[QUOTE="J-man45"] Your ignorance is astounding.J-man45
I don't think it's ignorance... I personally believe if youre anti-gay, youre denying people rights, not me. Which makes me better than you. I support gay rights, and if they want to make an obnoxious, "lets make out in a chic-fil-a" then do it.
HOW would hundreds of people being obnoxious further their cause in any way. If homosexuals want to be seen as normal and just like everyone else, acting like hooligans in random chick fil a's which are there just to serve some every day people some chicken won't accomplish that I fear.
1. You are assuming the purpose of that kissing day is to make a better impression. It isnt.2. What each person thinks it takes for someone to appear normal to others can vary, and once again it isnt the goal here.
3. Organised public kissing is acting like hooligans? You're trying too hard with those similes buddy.
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]see i'm like you but I found out that chick-fil-a actually donates millions of dollars to anti-gay organizations and they are using my money to do it, and I can't get behind it and don't eat there anymore. Thousands of other restaurants and food places to it at, so i'm not hurting.Can't say I agree with their stance but since I'm straight and love their food, I don't care.
Also, if those protesters are concerned about gay rights, they should boycott oil companies and gas stations since those profits do go to Middle Eastern countries who would execute a person just for being gay
Chris_Williams
I don;t even have one of those in my state so it's pretty easy for me.
Christian says he supports traditional marriage. People act surprised and get all pissed off. Seriously is the world just getting dumber. I hope those protesters get arrested. ferrari2001
Says he supports traditional marriage and donates money to groups with anti-gay agendas. Maybe you're the one that getting dumber.
I see no problem. The restaurant wont deny you service if your gay This guy isnt gay but to prove a point.
[QUOTE="theone86"]
[QUOTE="J-man45"]
Um, no. Actions that make others think negatively of them is....bad publicity.
J-man45
To you it's being obnoxious, to them it's showing people that what they do is just as normal as what anyone else does.
Really? No, seriously... Really? A 'Kissing Day' isn't just as normal as what anyone else does. Even the poster I was quoting admits it is obnoxious.
That's because straight relationships aren't stigmatized like gay relationships are.
[QUOTE="sonicare"]Half of the whole gay rights battle is image... Why damage yours over this? All they're doing is captioning the obvious... We know they support gay rights... When a business refuses service then sit-in...I dont know where you get that from...I would agree that there are probably bigger battles to fight, but there's nothing wrong with showing your displeasure about a policy you find unfair.
jeremiah06
Especially when you have pride parades as part of it.
And if you're referring to correcting false information spread about gay people... I wouldnt call it trying to maintain an image. Technically it is, but not the way that phrase sounds to me
An example of what you're saying is gay couples who have adopted kids and publicise part of their lives to prove how their families are just like any other family. But those are a minority.
Generally, it is silly for people to assume the gay rights movement has a specific goal (other than the central one which is full equality socially and legally) or direction. Perhaps part of the expectation comes from people who believe the way to gain acceptance is building a "good image", by which most of them might mean a "normalized" behavior. Well, thats not the case...
Christian says he supports traditional marriage. People act surprised and get all pissed off. Seriously is the world just getting dumber. I hope those protesters get arrested. ferrari2001Are you only aware of half the story or do you conveniently ommit the parts that dont suit the impression you want to give?
Are you only aware of half the story or do you conveniently ommit the parts that dont suit the impression you want to give? No I just don't see it as that big of a deal. There are a hundred million or more people in the United States who support traditional marriage, and many who donate to organizations who support traditional marriage like the owner of Chic-fil-a does. The fact that people get al fed up at someone who when asked about his beliefs gives his answers shows me people think free speech only counts in certain circumstances. Gay people can go to chic-fil-a and still get served food. They aren't denied service nor did the owner of chic-fil-a reject homosexuals from his establishment. It is truly a sad day when Americans can no longer support their beliefs.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Christian says he supports traditional marriage. People act surprised and get all pissed off. Seriously is the world just getting dumber. I hope those protesters get arrested. Teenaged
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Are you only aware of half the story or do you conveniently ommit the parts that dont suit the impression you want to give? No I just don't see it as that big of a deal. There are a hundred million or more people in the United States who support traditional marriage, and many who donate to organizations who support traditional marriage like the owner of Chic-fil-a does. The fact that people get al fed up at someone who when asked about his beliefs gives his answers shows me people think free speech only counts in certain circumstances. Gay people can go to chic-fil-a and still get served food. They aren't denied service nor did the owner of chic-fil-a reject homosexuals from his establishment. It is truly a sad day when Americans can no longer support their beliefs. Freedom of speech doesn't imply that citizens can't or shouldn't vocalize displeasure with other's words and actions. It just means that government can't legally do anything to suppress those words and actions.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Christian says he supports traditional marriage. People act surprised and get all pissed off. Seriously is the world just getting dumber. I hope those protesters get arrested. ferrari2001
i find it hard to believe people would go to chik-fil-a when they have no screenings in place to ensure the chicken that the meat comes from is not gay.
do you really want to eat a gay chicken? no of course not.
why does this place not protect its customers from this dire threat?
1,500 animal species practice homosexuality
But how would they know if the chickens really are gay The way they are raised, they are kept away from the opposite sex. Maybe in some cases the chicken's aren't gay but like in prison, there's a lack of options. And maybe like in prison, sometimes it's about power...i find it hard to believe people would go to chik-fil-a when they have no screenings in place to ensure the chicken that the meat comes from is not gay.
do you really want to eat a gay chicken? no of course not.
why does this place not protect its customers from this dire threat?
1,500 animal species practice homosexuality
Riverwolf007
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Are you only aware of half the story or do you conveniently ommit the parts that dont suit the impression you want to give? No I just don't see it as that big of a deal. There are a hundred million or more people in the United States who support traditional marriage, and many who donate to organizations who support traditional marriage like the owner of Chic-fil-a does. The fact that people get al fed up at someone who when asked about his beliefs gives his answers shows me people think free speech only counts in certain circumstances. Gay people can go to chic-fil-a and still get served food. They aren't denied service nor did the owner of chic-fil-a reject homosexuals from his establishment. It is truly a sad day when Americans can no longer support their beliefs.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Christian says he supports traditional marriage. People act surprised and get all pissed off. Seriously is the world just getting dumber. I hope those protesters get arrested. ferrari2001
I don't think hate speech should be protected under free speech, and neither do most people around the world. In most first world countries, their CEO would have been jailed and fined for his hateful comments.
The US just has a very backwards stance on hate speech and bigotry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
No I just don't see it as that big of a deal. There are a hundred million or more people in the United States who support traditional marriage, and many who donate to organizations who support traditional marriage like the owner of Chic-fil-a does. The fact that people get al fed up at someone who when asked about his beliefs gives his answers shows me people think free speech only counts in certain circumstances. Gay people can go to chic-fil-a and still get served food. They aren't denied service nor did the owner of chic-fil-a reject homosexuals from his establishment. It is truly a sad day when Americans can no longer support their beliefs.[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Are you only aware of half the story or do you conveniently ommit the parts that dont suit the impression you want to give?
bigfoot2045
I don't think hate speech should be protected under free speech, and neither do most people around the world. In most first world countries, their CEO would have been jailed and fined for his hateful comments.
The US just has a very backwards stance on hate speech and bigotry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
Backwards? I'd rather have free speech than selective speech, and the CEO didn't say anything hateful or bigoted. All she said was that she supported traditional marriage.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] No I just don't see it as that big of a deal. There are a hundred million or more people in the United States who support traditional marriage, and many who donate to organizations who support traditional marriage like the owner of Chic-fil-a does. The fact that people get al fed up at someone who when asked about his beliefs gives his answers shows me people think free speech only counts in certain circumstances. Gay people can go to chic-fil-a and still get served food. They aren't denied service nor did the owner of chic-fil-a reject homosexuals from his establishment. It is truly a sad day when Americans can no longer support their beliefs. leviathan91
I don't think hate speech should be protected under free speech, and neither do most people around the world. In most first world countries, their CEO would have been jailed and fined for his hateful comments.
The US just has a very backwards stance on hate speech and bigotry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
Backwards? I'd rather have free speech than selective speech, and the CEO didn't say anything hateful or bigoted. All she said was that she supported traditional marriage.
That's bigoted when you consider that it contains a tacit condemnation of gay marriage.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Are you only aware of half the story or do you conveniently ommit the parts that dont suit the impression you want to give? No I just don't see it as that big of a deal. There are a hundred million or more people in the United States who support traditional marriage, and many who donate to organizations who support traditional marriage like the owner of Chic-fil-a does. The fact that people get al fed up at someone who when asked about his beliefs gives his answers shows me people think free speech only counts in certain circumstances. Gay people can go to chic-fil-a and still get served food. They aren't denied service nor did the owner of chic-fil-a reject homosexuals from his establishment. It is truly a sad day when Americans can no longer support their beliefs. You dont find it expectable that a big well-known company is a better target than an unknown individual somewhere in the south US? Really now?[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Christian says he supports traditional marriage. People act surprised and get all pissed off. Seriously is the world just getting dumber. I hope those protesters get arrested. ferrari2001
People spend their money with certain strategies all the time. Its their prerogative to choose which companies they will support. For instance here in Greece people are starting to prefer local brands to help the economy. Same principle, different factor (in this case its purely economical, while with Chic-Fil-A is social/ideology).
Motivating people to avoid certain establishments due to what they support is not limiting their freedom of speech. Spin this all you like, but companies dont have to express their beliefs. In fact, a company's best strategy is to tailor their professed beliefs to what their customer's support or refrain from expressing any stance on controversial issues whatsoever. This isnt a new way the market works, sorry to break it to you.
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