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#1 JordanizPro
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THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

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#2 chaoscougar1
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Florida sounds like a sh*t c*nt place to live
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#3 frannkzappa
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THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

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you obviously havn't been to Europe.

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#4 deactivated-594be627b82ba
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That just doesn't make any sense, the laws are just too messed up

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#5 Chaos_HL21
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1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

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#6 Rattlesnake_8
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1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

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Better than shooting them.
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#7 xscrapzx
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If you don't have the RIGHT to possess a gun and you do, it is a federal offense and I believe you can serve up to 10 years for it. Shooting it on top of it, looks like it adds another 10 to it. Zimmerman was in his right to possess and fire a gun to defend himself. End of story. He was brought to trial for murder. They could not prove that he murdered him. Time to move on.

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#8 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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It wasn't nothing. She went outside, got the gun out of her vehicle, went back inside, and shot it. That sentence is way too long, but there does need to be some serious penalty so people realize guns aren't toys. You can't just play around with them.

 

I wish people who shot guns into the air in celebration were punished like that.

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THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

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Next time try understanding the before you post racist crap like this.
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#10 N30F3N1X
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you obviously havn't been to Europe.

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We aren't racist at all in Europe, we hate everyone without discrimination.

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#11 JordanizPro
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[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

DevilMightCry
Next time try understanding the before you post racist crap like this.

you make no sense at all
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#12 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

you obviously havn't been to Europe.

N30F3N1X

We aren't racist at all in Europe, we hate everyone without discrimination.

just a bit extra if are a Romani or Arabic.

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#13 Chaos_HL21
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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

Rattlesnake_8

Better than shooting them.

No it not, bullets can ricochet. This isn't a video game. When you are defending yourself you fire center mass. Another thing is she escaped to the garage, came back with the gun THEN fired the warning shot.

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#14 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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here we go again. they won't stop until it's rodney king 2.0
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#15 JordanizPro
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[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

Chaos_HL21

Better than shooting them.

No it not, bullets can ricochet. This isn't a video game. When you are defending yourself you fire center mass. Another thing is she escaped to the garage, came back with the gun THEN fired the warning shot.

I get what your saying but this is still **** up considering what GZ did

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Go to prison for not killing no one.. ok?!
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#17 Chaos_HL21
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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"] Better than shooting them.JordanizPro

No it not, bullets can ricochet. This isn't a video game. When you are defending yourself you fire center mass. Another thing is she escaped to the garage, came back with the gun THEN fired the warning shot.

I get what your saying but this is still **** up considering what GZ did

Well they are two differnt stories. 1) She fired a warning shot, and 2) She 'escaped' to the garage, got her firearm, then came back into the house to fire the warning shot.

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#18 Rich3232
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Should have followed a kid, and then killed him, and then she would have been fine
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that is why you don't fire warning shots.

it leaves a witness.

you also don't shoot to wound.

that leaves someone looking for revenge.

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#20 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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Should have followed a kid, and then killed him, and then she would have been fine Rich3232
only if the kid was 17 and beat the shit out of her first.
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#21 mmwmwmmwmwmm
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that is why you don't fire warning shots.

it leaves a witness.

you also don't shoot to wound.

that leaves someone looking for revenge.

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#22 thebest31406
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Warning shots could very well be dangerous but no one can justify 20 years.
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#23 leviathan91
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This is why judges should have more discretion in cases like this.

This isn't racism but rather a broken justice system in the works.

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#24 thebest31406
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This is why judges should have more discretion in cases like this.

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Mandatory sentencing is a crime against humanity.
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Mandatory sentences basically should not exist.
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#26 nooblet69
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She was being a bit stupid but 20 years is insane. 

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#27 frannkzappa
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Mandatory sentences basically should not exist.chessmaster1989

they seem rather pointless as far as i can tell.

she deserved jail time, but not 20 years of it.

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#28 Rich3232
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"]Should have followed a kid, and then killed him, and then she would have been fine mmwmwmmwmwmm
only if the kid was 17 and beat the shit out of her first.

Or know, not be a massive cvnt and follow people around playing wannabe cop. He could have just applied to be a cop and kill without impunity, he clearly has the lack of intelligence and bloodlust needed to join the gan...er.....department
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#29 helwa1988
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THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

JordanizPro

Sadly it is not. As a young black woman who has travelled throughout asia,europe and north africa i can attest to the fact america is progressive when it comes ot race relations than other countries. especially in places like eastern europe and se asia.

having said all that America still needs a lot work on it's race relations.

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#30 helwa1988
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1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

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The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.
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#31 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

helwa1988

The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.

the thing is she could of just escaped instead of RUNNING BACK with a gun.

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#32 lostrib
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it's an entirely different situation.  THe minimum sentence for firing a gun during a felony is 20 years.  Do some research first

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#33 flowersjf
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[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

frannkzappa

you obviously havn't been to Europe.

I'm black and I agree with this. If you watch soccer, you'll know, just ask Jozy Altidore.
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#34 MrGeezer
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THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

JordanizPro
"Newburn says Alexander's case is not an isolated incident, and that people ensnared by mandatory-minimum laws cross racial barriers." There's absolutely nothing racist about this. It's not a racism problem, the problem is that the laws are stupid. Also, the circumstances here are different than in the Zimmerman case. She went to her car to get the gun and then came back into the house. She certainly shouldn't get 20 years, but that's because of a bad mandatory sentencing law, not because of her race.
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#35 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

helwa1988

The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.

she can't leave the situation and then return with a gun and say she's standing her ground or defending herself.  Also that warning shot could have easily ricocheted and hit the children in the home

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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

helwa1988

The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.

that is what restraint gets you.

had she shot and killed him her defense would have easily gotten a not guilty verdict.

nobody would ever have known she completely escaped the situation retrieved a gun then went back inside.

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#37 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="helwa1988"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

lostrib

The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.

she can't leave the situation and then return with a gun and say she's standing her ground or defending herself.  Also that warning shot could have easily ricocheted and hit the children in the home

so you support the 20 years?
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="helwa1988"] The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.thebest31406

she can't leave the situation and then return with a gun and say she's standing her ground or defending herself. Also that warning shot could have easily ricocheted and hit the children in the home

so you support the 20 years?

when did he say that?

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#39 helwa1988
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[QUOTE="helwa1988"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

1) Firing a WARNING shot is stupid and dangerous.

2) She went into the garage, pushing past her husband, got the gun, then fired.

frannkzappa

The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.

the thing is she could of just escaped instead of RUNNING BACK with a gun.

and what if he caught up with her then what? he would have beat the crap out of her. she has probably tried to run away from him in the past and got behind beat by him. ok even if she has to serve time. 1-2 years would have been enough. but 20 years for trying to protect herself from a man who abused her on many occasions?
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="helwa1988"] The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.thebest31406

she can't leave the situation and then return with a gun and say she's standing her ground or defending herself.  Also that warning shot could have easily ricocheted and hit the children in the home

so you support the 20 years?

No, especially with prosecutors offering her significantly less time (3 years).  But it's not related to georg zimmerman or the fact the woman is black

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#41 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

she can't leave the situation and then return with a gun and say she's standing her ground or defending herself. Also that warning shot could have easily ricocheted and hit the children in the home

frannkzappa

so you support the 20 years?

when did he say that?

It looks as if he's giving justifications for it as oppose to condemning it. If one is doing more of one than the other that says something.
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="helwa1988"] The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.helwa1988

the thing is she could of just escaped instead of RUNNING BACK with a gun.

and what if he caught up with her then what? he would have beat the crap out of her. she has probably tried to run away from him in the past and got behind beat by him. ok even if she has to serve time. 1-2 years would have been enough. but 20 years for trying to protect herself from a man who abused her on many occasions?

you gotta read the story.  She went to the house to get things, he didn't come to her.  And during the argument she ran to her car and got a gun then walked back into the house

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#43 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="helwa1988"] The man abused her. She was a afraid of him. Most women in that situation would have shot to kill him. But she practiced restraint and just fired a warning shot.helwa1988

the thing is she could of just escaped instead of RUNNING BACK with a gun.

and what if he caught up with her then what? he would have beat the crap out of her. she has probably tried to run away from him in the past and got behind beat by him. ok even if she has to serve time. 1-2 years would have been enough. but 20 years for trying to protect herself from a man who abused her on many occasions?

she went to her car.. she could have driven off.

also the reports seem to indicate he did not follow her after he left.

No, i don't support a 20 year sentence, that is insane.

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#44 lostrib
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] so you support the 20 years?thebest31406

when did he say that?

It looks as if he's giving justifications for it as oppose to condemning it. If one is doing more of one than the other that says something.

No i wasn't. I was explaining a situation. I don't know how you got any of that out of my statement

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#45 MrGeezer
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that is what restraint gets you.

had she shot and killed him her defense would have easily gotten a not guilty verdict.

nobody would ever have known she completely escaped the situation retrieved a gun then went back inside.

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Well, theoretically she didn't think she did anything wrong, or else it would have been stupid for her to not take the plea deal. So if she had shot her husband and killed him, there's a good chance she still would have described the situation accurately (including the part where she got the gun and then went back into the home). Why would she lie or omit that part if she didn't think she had done anything wrong? She still wouldn't be able to invoke the "stand your ground" defense, she'd still be the aggressor, and there'd also now be someone who's dead by her hands. It's good for her that she didn't shoot her husband, that only would have made things worse for her.
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#46 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

she can't leave the situation and then return with a gun and say she's standing her ground or defending herself.  Also that warning shot could have easily ricocheted and hit the children in the home

lostrib

so you support the 20 years?

No, especially with prosecutors offering her significantly less time (3 years).  But it's not related to georg zimmerman or the fact the woman is black

I'm not sure what the OP's point was but the frequent parallels between the two cases are made to illustrate the arbitrary, unjust scheme that is Florida's criminal justice system.
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#47 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]that is what restraint gets you.

had she shot and killed him her defense would have easily gotten a not guilty verdict.

nobody would ever have known she completely escaped the situation retrieved a gun then went back inside.

MrGeezer

Well, theoretically she didn't think she did anything wrong, or else it would have been stupid for her to not take the plea deal. So if she had shot her husband and killed him, there's a good chance she still would have described the situation accurately (including the part where she got the gun and then went back into the home). Why would she lie or omit that part if she didn't think she had done anything wrong? She still wouldn't be able to invoke the "stand your ground" defense, she'd still be the aggressor, and there'd also now be someone who's dead by her hands. It's good for her that she didn't shoot her husband, that only would have made things worse for her.

i feel like she may have not had the best legal counsel

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#48 leviathan91
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She doesn't deserve the 20 years but because firing a warning shot is dangerous, she should have received a lighter punishment. Perhaps a fine.

Anyone who says she deserves the 20 years is an idiot, especially those who think "well it's the law and you can't break the law derp."

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] so you support the 20 years?thebest31406

No, especially with prosecutors offering her significantly less time (3 years).  But it's not related to georg zimmerman or the fact the woman is black

I'm not sure what the OP's point was but the frequent parallels between the two cases are made to illustrate the arbitrary, unjust scheme that is Florida's criminal justice system.

except they are trying to make it about race that a white man can get away with stand your ground but a black woman can't, even though her case has nothing to do with her race.  Her case is an example of the faults with minimum sentencing

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#50 lostrib
Member since 2009 • 49999 Posts

She doesn't deserve the 20 years but because firing a warning shot is dangerous, she should have received a lighter punishment. Perhaps a fine.

Anyone who says she deserves the 20 years is an idiot, especially those who think "well it's the law and you can't break the law derp."

leviathan91

well the judge can't break the law