This woman gets 20 years for firing WARNING shot in Florida

[QUOTE="AbstractRadical"]I feel that there are some double standards in Florida, maybe she had some previous convictions and that may have made the difference. frannkzappa

no, it's a mandatory minimum.

NO ONE can get less than 20 years for that crime( in florida).

florida is a pretty backwards place so yeah it all makes sense.

Gen007

no no no no no no no no

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

frannkzappa

you obviously havn't been to Europe.

Sounds like you haven't either.

Anyway did you even read what happened OP, this crazy woman had an argument with her boyfriend then went out to the car and came back in with a gun.... then she looked away and shot at him and his two sons!!

She deserves to get locked up for reckless endangerment, I also think it's funny she's trying to use the stand your ground argument even tho she left to get the gun from the car and she could have just drove away.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] You do know that the guy has a history of violence against women. Walking away wasn't an option - at least not with him.thebest31406

How in the flying fvck is that not an option? She escaped the situation, then went back into the situation with a loaded gun and fired it. If someone starts beating the shit out of me, I get away, then I come back and shoot them that's not self defense. Once you are away from the situation and not in immediate danger you call the police or seek safety.

No one is saying she deserves 20 years. Are any of you morons capable of critical thinking?

In the link provided it does not say she grabbed the gun from her garage. It also does not say that he threatended to kill her and was moving towards her.

She also was charged with domestic battery against that same person four months after this.

As my CCW instructor repeatably said, "dead men or woman don't sue."

Never fire a warning shot, if you pull a gun for self defence you better be prepared to use it or your just a hazard to yourself & others.

That is not saying you have to shoot the person in the moronic drawn sword must cut analogue, but you have to be ready to.

This woman was stupid, that said 20 years is even more stupid or hell, any felony charge.

The time is not reflecting the crime at all.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="JordanizPro"]

THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

CynicalCaviar

you obviously havn't been to Europe.

Sounds like you haven't either.

Anyway did you even read what happened OP, this crazy woman had an argument with her boyfriend then went out to the car and came back in with a gun.... then she looked away and shot at him and his two sons!!

She deserves to get locked up for reckless endangerment, I also think it's funny she's trying to use the stand your ground argument even tho she left to get the gun from the car and she could have just drove away.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

How in the flying fvck is that not an option? She escaped the situation, then went back into the situation with a loaded gun and fired it. If someone starts beating the shit out of me, I get away, then I come back and shoot them that's not self defense. Once you are away from the situation and not in immediate danger you call the police or seek safety.

No one is saying she deserves 20 years. Are any of you morons capable of critical thinking?

SpartanMSU

In the link provided it does not say she grabbed the gun from her garage. It also does not say that he threatended to kill her and was moving towards her.

She also was charged with domestic battery against that same person four months after this.

Then I must be liar.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] She went to the car, forget her keys and went back to the house to grab them. She did grab the gun from the garage and didn't fire a single shot until he threaten to kill the woman as he was moving towards her direction. Now what?thebest31406

In the link provided it does not say she grabbed the gun from her garage. It also does not say that he threatended to kill her and was moving towards her.

She also was charged with domestic battery against that same person four months after this.

Then I must be liar.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing

"In the link provided". Key words bro.

Anyways, that's what she said happened. That doesn't make it truth, obviously. Also, the link you provided does not say that her husband "moved towards her" as you previously claimed. Unless I missed something.

Regardless, she came back into the house when she already left without being pursued. The judge claimed that a reasonable person would not do this if worried about their safety, which is why the stand your ground arguement got thrown out.

Obviously 20 years is a bit ridiculous. However, the judge didn't have a choice due to mandatory sentencing. It has absolutely nothing to do with race.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

In the link provided it does not say she grabbed the gun from her garage. It also does not say that he threatended to kill her and was moving towards her.

She also was charged with domestic battery against that same person four months after this.

SpartanMSU

Then I must be liar.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing

"In the link provided". Key words bro.

Anyways, that's what she said happened. That doesn't make it truth.

edit: thought I pasted both links

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/31/us-usa-jacksonville-shooting-idUSBRE84U01320120531

Mandatory sentences are stupid. She doesn't deserve 20 years.

But at the same time, she didn't fire a warning shot in self-defense. So people need to stop pretending like she is some innocent person.

She deserves to do time.

Mandatory sentences are stupid. She doesn't deserve 20 years.

 

But at the same time, she didn't fire a warning shot in self-defense. So people need to stop pretending like she is some innocent person.

 

She deserves to do time.

BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

Mandatory sentences are stupid. She doesn't deserve 20 years.

 

But at the same time, she didn't fire a warning shot in self-defense. So people need to stop pretending like she is some innocent person.

 

She deserves to do time.

thebest31406

That isn't "stand your ground", and that isn't "self defense".

You can't leave and go to your car and get a gun, then come back and threaten the person with it and even fire the gun into a wall to make your point and then say you did it in self defense. That isn't how the law works.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

Mandatory sentences are stupid. She doesn't deserve 20 years.

 

But at the same time, she didn't fire a warning shot in self-defense. So people need to stop pretending like she is some innocent person.

 

She deserves to do time.

thebest31406

It's difficult to imagine that her driving to his location, having an argument with him, leaving, getting her gun, then going back into the house and firing her gun counts as self-defence. She had plenty of options there that wouldn't put anyone's lives in danger, and she took the reckless one. She should receive some kind of punishment. 

Still, 20 years is indeed silly. The judges should have more discretion here, and the prosecutors shouldn't have pushed that hard for it.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="BMD004"]

Mandatory sentences are stupid. She doesn't deserve 20 years.

 

But at the same time, she didn't fire a warning shot in self-defense. So people need to stop pretending like she is some innocent person.

 

She deserves to do time.

BMD004

That isn't "stand your ground", and that isn't "self defense".

You can't leave and go to your car and get a gun, then come back and threaten the person with it and even fire the gun into a wall to make your point and then say you did it in self defense. That isn't how the law works.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="BMD004"]

Mandatory sentences are stupid. She doesn't deserve 20 years.

 

But at the same time, she didn't fire a warning shot in self-defense. So people need to stop pretending like she is some innocent person.

 

She deserves to do time.

BMD004

That isn't "stand your ground", and that isn't "self defense".

You can't leave and go to your car and get a gun, then come back and threaten the person with it and even fire the gun into a wall to make your point and then say you did it in self defense. That isn't how the law works.

The sentence is probably excessive, but why do people seem to think that warning shots aren't dangerous? They're the same as any other shot: if it hits some one, they could die.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] So she's lying?thebest31406

That isn't "stand your ground", and that isn't "self defense".

You can't leave and go to your car and get a gun, then come back and threaten the person with it and even fire the gun into a wall to make your point and then say you did it in self defense. That isn't how the law works.

How about you find the exact quote you are talking about and post the source.

I can only go by the information I have, and I simply copied and pasted from the article.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]"Alexander said she feared for her life when she went out to her vehicle and retrieved the gun she legally owned. She came back inside and ended up firing a shot into the wall, which ricocheted into the ceiling."

 

 

That isn't "stand your ground", and that isn't "self defense".

 

You can't leave and go to your car and get a gun, then come back and threaten the person with it and even fire the gun into a wall to make your point and then say you did it in self defense. That isn't how the law works.

BMD004

How about you find the exact quote you are talking about and post the source.

I can only go by the information I have, and I simply copied and pasted from the article.

The sentence is probably excessive, but why do people seem to think that warning shots aren't dangerous? They're the same as any other shot: if it hits some one, they could die.

BuryMe

People here on OT like to think that unless a weapon is aimed at someone that it cannot do damage elsewhere. 

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] You must be speaking of a simliar case because that's not how she described it at all.  She went to the car, forget her keys and went back to the house to grab them. She did grab the gun from the garage and didn't fire a single shot until he threaten to kill the woman as he was moving towards her direction. Her story.

thebest31406

How about you find the exact quote you are talking about and post the source.

I can only go by the information I have, and I simply copied and pasted from the article.

I guess I understand her logic. "I'm outta here... oh no, I forgot my keys. Ok, I don't wanna go back in there, but I have my gun now. If he does anything, at least I can protect myself".

THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing.Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

JordanizPro

TC you're an idiot. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with FL's mandatory minimum sentencing for certain crimes. Nothing more. You are promoting a race war, not anybody else.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="BMD004"]I grabbed that quote right from the article the OP posted.

 

How about you find the exact quote you are talking about and post the source.

 

I can only go by the information I have, and I simply copied and pasted from the article.

BMD004

I guess I understand her logic. "I'm outta here... oh no, I forgot my keys. Ok, I don't wanna go back in there, but I have my gun now. If he does anything, at least I can protect myself".

THis is getting ridiculous. They let Gerorge Zimmerman off but this black woman gets 20 years for nothing. Its like these white people want a race war. America is the most rasict place on Earth smh

JordanizPro

The court believed George Zimmerman fired in self-defense and had a legal license to carry his weapon and found him not guilty, and people will just have to deal with that; also, he's not white for the millionth goddamn time. 

This woman fired a gun into the air, which is extremely dangerous. No bullet on Earth can reach escape velocity and go into outer space. Gravity will pull the bullet down and it can kill someone. However, I do think the twenty year sentence is unjustified given she didn't murder anyone. The American Justice System is no where near perfect, unfortunately. 

So  a broken judgtice system then.

This was the problem with her case..... An argument ensued, and Alexander said she feared for her life when she went out to her vehicle and retrieved the gun she legally owned. She came back inside and ended up firing a shot into the wall, which ricocheted into the ceiling.

This was the problem with her case..... An argument ensued, and Alexander said she feared for her life when she went out to her vehicle and retrieved the gun she legally owned. She came back inside and ended up firing a shot into the wall, which ricocheted into the ceiling.

LJS9502_basic

She may have been afraid, but not to the extent that she would be killed.

 

that is why you don't fire warning shots.

it leaves a witness.

you also don't shoot to wound.

that leaves someone looking for revenge.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

 

that is why you don't fire warning shots.

it leaves a witness.

you also don't shoot to wound.

that leaves someone looking for revenge.

jeremiah06

Iron Maiden FTW. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

This was the problem with her case..... An argument ensued, and Alexander said she feared for her life when she went out to her vehicle and retrieved the gun she legally owned. She came back inside and ended up firing a shot into the wall, which ricocheted into the ceiling.

BMD004

She may have been afraid, but not to the extent that she would be killed.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

This was the problem with her case..... An argument ensued, and Alexander said she feared for her life when she went out to her vehicle and retrieved the gun she legally owned. She came back inside and ended up firing a shot into the wall, which ricocheted into the ceiling.

djshowstopper87

She may have been afraid, but not to the extent that she would be killed.

There was no stand your ground in Zimmerman's case. It was self defense pure and simple. Anything can be used as a weapon, yet you fail to realize that. Zimmerman was told "you gonna die motherf***er" and would make one think their life was going to end. 

The woman this thread is about had the ability to extricate herself from the situation and had. Her carrying of the weapon back in and firing it into the air as a warning shot was wreckless abandon and negligent especially due to children being behind the wall she shot at. That is why she went to jail.

You have failed to answer any questions asked of you and have failed to present any evidence of your assertions and you fail to acknowledge facts. Typical troll behavior. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.