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[QUOTE="Josh_345"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="maheo30"]They don't worship the same God at all. One religion is works while the other says no amount of works will save you. And the Allah is vastly different than Christ. To say they are the same is truely ignorant of a Rosie Odonnel proportion.They absolutely do worship the same God, just because they worship Him differently does not give you the right to say otherwise, any more than you are entitled to disclaim Yahweh as God. And Islam does not treat Allah and Christ as analogs. In their teachings, Jews, Christians and Muslims are all "people of the Book," and the analogs among them are Abraham, Jesus Chris and Mohammed. Maybe everyone should be Christian then we can be saved either way. Are you discounting the 5 bajillion other religions on the planet? No offence but I would go with the Christian Muslim combo then following some wooden statue.
espoac
[QUOTE="Xbox360gamer1"]Did Isaac Newton(?say?) God will appear in 2060? Well, Jesus. But to Christians that's the same thing, ya know with the trinity and all. I don't know I'm an atheist, so to me this is all ridiculous banter. But I would lie if I said it wasn't amusing for me to watch theists argue about the aspects of something which to me doesn't even exist.[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="mohan88"][QUOTE="espoac"]Isaac Newton said 2060. But then agian he was also an alchemist who thought you could make a stone which cured diseases and turned lead into gold.espoac
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Why be athiest?
Athiesism is useless until we can explain everything which will never happen.
Why be a Theist? It's useless in that organized religion a crock of lies. And Deism is a blind assumption that is sort of comforting. I value the truth. There doesn't need to be a God for the universe to exist, therfore why should I assume that there is one? Especially when he's never shown me that he exists at all. ...
Hmmm. I probably shouldn't have said all that since it's off topic. But it seems like such a shame to delete it all.
You didn't make an argument. You used a number of other opinions to back up another.[QUOTE="thotoz"]Give me proof God doesn't exist. Give me proof God does exist. Or give me proof where in the Bible Jesus said "I am God, worship me".
LJS9502_basic
What does this have to do with your statement? Nothing at all....though if you are concerned about Jesus...he was the fulfillment of the Scripture in the OT.
But I'm interested in your common sense proof.....please enlighten us.
Fulfillment in the OT? Even Islam accepts that. But is Jesus the Son of God and was he resurrected/crucified? No.
My friend...search Ahmed Deedat or Dr Zakir Naik on youtube and find a video debate on the subject of Jesus's crucification/resurrection.
Btw, in what way has Christianity helped the world historically,etc? We know Islam helped Science. For Judaism, many Jews were very smart and helped Science. Christianity? Well...they are always against Science cause their book contradicts Science.
And Allah says to respect Jews and Christians, because they are also "the people of the book". While Christian Preachers say nasty stuff about the Koran and its validity..
The Koran says that after Muslims, the second largest group of people entering Heaven will be the Jews. You know why? Because there's no reason to hate the Jews. They only rejected Jesus because CHRISTIANS said Jesus was resurrected when Jesus himself gave his last prophesy to the Jews that he will be like Jonah (and Jonah was alive in the belly of the fish).
Christians will still go to Heaven I'm guessing, it's just that a lot of them say disgusting things about the Koran (though there are many very nice Christians that respect the Koran, but many other Christians...though they may not show it, in their heart I'm sure they think evil of the Koran)
But remember, that if you do good deeds, whether you are an atheist or a theist or a Hindu you will enter Heaven...in my opinion.Â
Well answer this question first:
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What christians do you know that claim to know when God is coming? Â Â
Fulfillment in the OT? Even Islam accepts that. But is Jesus the Son of God and was he resurrected/crucified? No.
My friend...search Ahmed Deedat or Dr Zakir Naik on youtube and find a video debate on the subject of Jesus's crucification/resurrection.
Btw, in what way has Christianity helped the world historically,etc? We know Islam helped Science. For Judaism, many Jews were very smart and helped Science. Christianity? Well...they are always against Science cause their book contradicts Science.
And Allah says to respect Jews and Christians, because they are also "the people of the book". While Christian Preachers say nasty stuff about the Koran and its validity..
The Koran says that after Muslims, the second largest group of people entering Heaven will be the Jews. You know why? Because there's no reason to hate the Jews. They only rejected Jesus because CHRISTIANS said Jesus was resurrected when Jesus himself gave his last prophesy to the Jews that he will be like Jonah (and Jonah was alive in the belly of the fish).
Christians will still go to Heaven I'm guessing, it's just that a lot of them say disgusting things about the Koran (though there are many very nice Christians that respect the Koran, but many other Christians...though they may not show it, in their heart I'm sure they think evil of the Koran)
But remember, that if you do good deeds, whether you are an atheist or a theist or a Hindu you will enter Heaven...in my opinion.Â
thotoz
Yeah....I'm sorry but I disagree with your interpretation....and neither you nor your youtube friends can prove otherwise. Who goes into Heaven isn't left up to your opinion.
There is a bit of historical documentatiion that states otherwise, however.
Fulfillment in the OT? Even Islam accepts that. But is Jesus the Son of God and was he resurrected/crucified? No.
My friend...search Ahmed Deedat or Dr Zakir Naik on youtube and find a video debate on the subject of Jesus's crucification/resurrection.
Btw, in what way has Christianity helped the world historically,etc? We know Islam helped Science. For Judaism, many Jews were very smart and helped Science. Christianity? Well...they are always against Science cause their book contradicts Science.
And Allah says to respect Jews and Christians, because they are also "the people of the book". While Christian Preachers say nasty stuff about the Koran and its validity..
The Koran says that after Muslims, the second largest group of people entering Heaven will be the Jews. You know why? Because there's no reason to hate the Jews. They only rejected Jesus because CHRISTIANS said Jesus was resurrected when Jesus himself gave his last prophesy to the Jews that he will be like Jonah (and Jonah was alive in the belly of the fish).
Christians will still go to Heaven I'm guessing, it's just that a lot of them say disgusting things about the Koran (though there are many very nice Christians that respect the Koran, but many other Christians...though they may not show it, in their heart I'm sure they think evil of the Koran)
But remember, that if you do good deeds, whether you are an atheist or a theist or a Hindu you will enter Heaven...in my opinion.
thotoz
Actually, the Koran says to kill all infidels (or, more specifically, "if you see an infidel, slit his throat"), and defines "infidel" as "anyone who does not believe the koran and worship allah".
Good try, though.Â
Yeah God can't show up anywhere, God is spirit and everywhere at all times. Jesus Christ will show up at some point, but no one knows when.Â
On another note, I've never understood why so many people assume science dissproves God. If anything the understanding of science can only further explain the perfect design of God's creation. ( And all was right in the beginning, but when the devil got dominion over the earth, he started screwing around with everything.) Even on topics like evolution you can still have room for religious beliefs. While I do not believe that we evolved from monkey who evolved from goo, It is true that animals and people change to live in their enviorments.Â
Why is it so hard to believe that God set up ours and natures bodies to be able to change? Since God knew that we would move to different areas of the Earth. God in his forknowledge also knew that the Earth would become divided and knew that animals would have to be able to adapt to their new homes.
 ( And all was right in the beginning, but when the devil got dominion over the earth, he started screwing around with everything.)
sniperhare
Sorry, I missed something: Why did God create the devil again?
Never. God or Jesus will never come because God's not real and Jesus was just a carpenter.-Keel-_basic
That's a little too harsh. Even for an agnostic.
Never. God or Jesus will never come because God's not real and Jesus was just a carpenter.-Keel-_basic
Even though I don't belive in god, I think comments like these are getting old and crappy
[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"]Never. God or Jesus will never come because God's not real and Jesus was just a carpenter.sinarilias
That's a little too harsh. Even for an agnostic.
And Mary was a whore.Â
[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"]Never. God or Jesus will never come because God's not real and Jesus was just a carpenter.jointed
Even though I don't belive in god, I think comments like these are getting old and crappy
You're right. Clearly voicing these opinions has been going on for way too long. Someone must put an end to it.Â
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"]Never. God or Jesus will never come because God's not real and Jesus was just a carpenter.-Keel-_basic
Even though I don't belive in god, I think comments like these are getting old and crappy
You're right. Clearly voicing these opinions has been going on for way too long. Someone must put an end to it.Â
The only thing you accomplished was to offend christians.
It's disturbing that you, yourself, Â don't see the problem in your comment
[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"]Never. God or Jesus will never come because God's not real and Jesus was just a carpenter.jointed
Even though I don't belive in god, I think comments like these are getting old and crappy
You're right. Clearly voicing these opinions has been going on for way too long. Someone must put an end to it.
The only thing you accomplished was to offend christians.
It's disturbing that you, yourself, don't see the problem in your comment
Why is stating my beliefs an offensive thing? That's ridiculous. Anyone who is offended by my belief system can go to hell.
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EDIT: And please nobody point out the irony in me saying 'go to hell.'Â It's really obvious, shutup.Â
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"]Never. God or Jesus will never come because God's not real and Jesus was just a carpenter.-Keel-_basic
Even though I don't belive in god, I think comments like these are getting old and crappy
You're right. Clearly voicing these opinions has been going on for way too long. Someone must put an end to it.
The only thing you accomplished was to offend christians.
It's disturbing that you, yourself, don't see the problem in your comment
Why is stating my beliefs an offensive thing? That's ridiculous. Anyone who is offended by my belief system can go to hell.Â
Put it in less offensive words and you'll have more respect. I'm sure.
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