Thoughts on the Star Wars prequel trilogy?

[QUOTE="Lockedge"] [QUOTE="mitu123"]Return of the Jedi was worse than The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones?mitu123

You really rank RoTJ over AotC :? thats...I...dont even know what to say...Sp4rtan_3

Nothing you can say that my friends haven't already said. XD I've got nearly a dozen hardcore Star Wars fanboys for close friends, and only one of them remotely agrees with me. I will say that if you compare both movies side by side, RotJ could potentially be better. I just can't help but see RotJ as a bookend to a trilogy(which it is), so there are responsibilities it holds. It carries all the plot threads and characters from the previous movies and has to tie everything into a nice cohesive whole. RotJ failed doing that miserably.

AotC only had to bridge characters across an expanse of time and a few minor events that meant to set up for Episode 3. Barely any responsibility. I have a very difficult time breaking away from viewing the movies in what I deem to be their proper contexts.

My friends criticize me for not being able to see it as a movie in its own right. That said, they don't tend to give the original trilogy the same treatment they expect me to hand to RotJ, nor do most others, so.....

I thought Episode 1 was the best of the three.. The movies quality hinged directly on how much Anakin was in the movie.. So obviously with the first one, Anakin having the fewest amount of time that it would be the best.. I don't get peoples beef with Jar Jar.. He was taken from the beginning as a comic relief.. While Anakin wasn't, but Lucas still somehow made him a complete jackass.. The third one is the worse, with some of the worse lines in movies.. Oh no not the Younglings! its over Anakin I got the high ground! At least Darth Maul, Qui Gon and Obi Wan were enjoyable characters..

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Allicrombie"] I know, that's what the "...but" was for. I know you didn't exactly appreciate Ep3. [QUOTE="mitu123"]Return of the Jedi was worse than The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones?fl4tlined

just no just ****ing no not the first two prequels just god damn ****ing no

I LOLed. Honestly, I thought that annoying characters aside(one of which is a young kid, so that's natural), Episode 1 was a decent start to the new trilogy as far as setting down the foundation of the plot. For a story that was going to be MUCh more complex than the original trilogy, it was well done in that regard. The acting was, outside of the annoying characters, quite good in comparison to the two that followed it.

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[QUOTE="Lockedge"] Yes, although AotC is pretty bad too. It's close between those two, but I found the acting, writing, plot progression, climax and non-space action scenes in RotJ to be horrendously sub-par. It was far too campy in spots, and too fragmented to tie it all together. It was less than the sum of its parts. The climax....oh dear lord I haven't been that disappointed in a movie since. At least Episode 3 was structurally sound enough for me to forgive the stupid "You're breaking my heart" and "NOOOOO!" moments, but Return of the Jedi didn't allow me that for its MANY pitfalls.Lockedge

just no just ****ing no not the first two prequels just god damn ****ing no

I LOLed. Honestly, I thought that annoying characters aside(one of which is a young kid, so that's natural), Episode 1 was a decent start to the new trilogy as far as setting down the foundation of the plot. For a story that was going to be MUCh more complex than the original trilogy, it was well done in that regard. The acting was, outside of the annoying characters, quite good in comparison to the two that followed it.

Sad thing is I think the series would have been far better if it didn't even have Anakin in it.. I don't care if it wouldn't have made any sense plot wise.

I thought Episode 1 was the best of the three.. The movies quality hinged directly on how much Anakin was in the movie.. So obviously with the first one, Anakin having the fewest amount of time that it would be the best.. I don't get peoples beef with Jar Jar.. He was taken from the beginning as a comic relief.. While Anakin wasn't, but Lucas still somehow made him a complete jackass.. The third one is the worse, with some of the worse lines in movies.. Oh no not the Younglings! its over Anakin I got the high ground! sSubZerOo

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just no just ****ing no not the first two prequels just god damn ****ing no

sSubZerOo

I LOLed. Honestly, I thought that annoying characters aside(one of which is a young kid, so that's natural), Episode 1 was a decent start to the new trilogy as far as setting down the foundation of the plot. For a story that was going to be MUCh more complex than the original trilogy, it was well done in that regard. The acting was, outside of the annoying characters, quite good in comparison to the two that followed it.

Sad thing is I think the series would have been far better if it didn't even have Anakin in it.. I don't care if it wouldn't have made any sense plot wise.

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[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

I LOLed. Honestly, I thought that annoying characters aside(one of which is a young kid, so that's natural), Episode 1 was a decent start to the new trilogy as far as setting down the foundation of the plot. For a story that was going to be MUCh more complex than the original trilogy, it was well done in that regard. The acting was, outside of the annoying characters, quite good in comparison to the two that followed it.

Lockedge

Sad thing is I think the series would have been far better if it didn't even have Anakin in it.. I don't care if it wouldn't have made any sense plot wise.

soo your bassicly asking for KOTOR the movie?

I thought Episode 1 was the best of the three.. The movies quality hinged directly on how much Anakin was in the movie.. So obviously with the first one, Anakin having the fewest amount of time that it would be the best.. I don't get peoples beef with Jar Jar.. He was taken from the beginning as a comic relief.. While Anakin wasn't, but Lucas still somehow made him a complete jackass.. The third one is the worse, with some of the worse lines in movies.. Oh no not the Younglings! its over Anakin I got the high ground! At least Darth Maul, Qui Gon and Obi Wan were enjoyable characters..

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I thought Episode 1 was the best of the three.. The movies quality hinged directly on how much Anakin was in the movie.. So obviously with the first one, Anakin having the fewest amount of time that it would be the best.. I don't get peoples beef with Jar Jar.. He was taken from the beginning as a comic relief.. While Anakin wasn't, but Lucas still somehow made him a complete jackass.. The third one is the worse, with some of the worse lines in movies.. Oh no not the Younglings! its over Anakin I got the high ground! Lockedge

I don't think it has any thing to do with our preconceptions of vader.. I just don't think Lucas has any clue what so ever in making a believable character.. Instead he madea axsty akward jackass.. Who becomes evil for a ridiculous reason out of the blue and has awful lines.. Hell even in the first episode what few scenes he is in, he ruins it completely..

what i wish lucas would really do and i mean REALLY would be remake the prequels and try to make them better and learn from his past mistakes instead of making all the movies 3d but that would be in a world which we dont live in and a lucas which dosent totally suck now a daysfl4tlined

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I thought Episode 1 was the best of the three.. The movies quality hinged directly on how much Anakin was in the movie.. So obviously with the first one, Anakin having the fewest amount of time that it would be the best.. I don't get peoples beef with Jar Jar.. He was taken from the beginning as a comic relief.. While Anakin wasn't, but Lucas still somehow made him a complete jackass.. The third one is the worse, with some of the worse lines in movies.. Oh no not the Younglings! its over Anakin I got the high ground! At least Darth Maul, Qui Gon and Obi Wan were enjoyable characters..

mitu123

Yes but there is difference.. I didn't find him funny either but he was a Side character.. Anakin was a main focal point of the entire series and was a complete jackass which ruined it.

I enjoyed all 3 movies and especially the 2nd one. The again i like pretty much anything to do with star wars!

Don't get me wrong, I do like some things about Episodes 1 and 2, but in many areas they don't exceed that well. They aren't the worst movies ever, but people love to compare them to Episodes 4-6, and that's where they fall apart.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I thought Episode 1 was the best of the three.. The movies quality hinged directly on how much Anakin was in the movie.. So obviously with the first one, Anakin having the fewest amount of time that it would be the best.. I don't get peoples beef with Jar Jar.. He was taken from the beginning as a comic relief.. While Anakin wasn't, but Lucas still somehow made him a complete jackass.. The third one is the worse, with some of the worse lines in movies.. Oh no not the Younglings! its over Anakin I got the high ground! sSubZerOo

I don't think it has any thing to do with our preconceptions of vader.. I just don't think Lucas has any clue what so ever in making a believable character.. Instead he madea axsty akward jackass.. Who becomes evil for a ridiculous reason out of the blue and has awful lines.. Hell even in the first episode what few scenes he is in, he ruins it completely..

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I thought Episode 1 was the best of the three.. The movies quality hinged directly on how much Anakin was in the movie.. So obviously with the first one, Anakin having the fewest amount of time that it would be the best.. I don't get peoples beef with Jar Jar.. He was taken from the beginning as a comic relief.. While Anakin wasn't, but Lucas still somehow made him a complete jackass.. The third one is the worse, with some of the worse lines in movies.. Oh no not the Younglings! its over Anakin I got the high ground! At least Darth Maul, Qui Gon and Obi Wan were enjoyable characters..

sSubZerOo

Yes but there is difference.. I didn't find him funny either but he was a Side character.. Anakin was a main focal point of the entire series and was a complete jackass which ruined it.

Don't get me wrong, I do like some things about Episodes 1 and 2, but in many areas they don't exceed that well. They aren't the worst movies ever, but people love to compare them to Episodes 4-6, and that's where they fall apart.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Don't get me wrong, I do like some things about Episodes 1 and 2, but in many areas they don't exceed that well. They aren't the worst movies ever, but people love to compare them to Episodes 4-6, and that's where they fall apart.

Lockedge

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[QUOTE="mitu123"] I go by other characters, pacing, story, writing, acting, script, dialogue, jokes, battles, etc., and Episode 3 obliterates Episode 1 in those areas IMO, I can't stand Jar Jar as well, he's not funny despite being the comic relief and really didn't add much.

mitu123

Yes but there is difference.. I didn't find him funny either but he was a Side character.. Anakin was a main focal point of the entire series and was a complete jackass which ruined it.

Yeah who could forget of the memorable moments of Nooooo!!!, Its over Anakin I got the high ground.. Or my personal favorite.. Oh no not the younglings! Or no no.. Anakin's comedic fall after making a mistake and thinking.. Well I might as well go the whole way!.. At least Darth Maul, Qui Gon and Obi Wan were enjoyable characters that didn't say or do ridiculous things in the first one..

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Sad thing is I think the series would have been far better if it didn't even have Anakin in it.. I don't care if it wouldn't have made any sense plot wise.

fl4tlined

soo your bassicly asking for KOTOR the movie?

I found all three prequel movies to be equally awful and some of the worst major studio films that I have ever seen. I enjoyed Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back quite a bit...but I've never been too fond of Return of the Jedi as it was a simply awful way to end a trilogy and sadly a portent for much, much worse things to come.

Episode 1 had the stupid kid. The writing was horrible, and the plot made no sense. Pod racing was meh. Darth maul wasn't a good villain. 5/10

Episode 2 had the stupid romance scene. The writing was horrible and the plot made even less sense than Episode 1. None of the characters were any good. The light saber fights were ridiculous in a bad way. 3/10

Episode 3 was all flash and no substance, but it was easily the best of the bunch, even if only because it meant we no longer needed to have any Prequel films. 7/10

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Yes but there is difference.. I didn't find him funny either but he was a Side character.. Anakin was a main focal point of the entire series and was a complete jackass which ruined it.

sSubZerOo

Yeah who could forget of the memorable moments of Nooooo!!!, Its over Anakin I got the high ground.. Or my personal favorite.. Oh no not the younglings! Or no no.. Anakin's comedic fall after making a mistake and thinking.. Well I might as well go the whole way!.. At least Darth Maul, Qui Gon and Obi Wan were enjoyable characters that didn't say or do ridiculous things in the first one..

They were not. Qui Gon and Obi Wan were lacking brains and no one gave a **** about Darth Maul. The light saber fight in Ep4 had so much more meaning than the ones in the prequel trilogy, even if it wasn't as "cool", because we actually care about the characters. The Prequel trilogy characters are really really bad.

They were alright. Phantom Menace was terrible, Attack of the Clones was decent and Revenge of the Sith was actually really good. Episode 3 was actually my favorite of the Star Wars films only behind the Empire Strikes Back.

They were alright. Phantom Menace was terrible, Attack of the Clones was decent and Revenge of the Sith was actually really good. Episode 3 was actually my favorite of the Star Wars films only behind the Empire Strikes Back.

redstorm72

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

They were alright. Phantom Menace was terrible, Attack of the Clones was decent and Revenge of the Sith was actually really good. Episode 3 was actually my favorite of the Star Wars films only behind the Empire Strikes Back.

super_mario_128

Yeah. I'm not saying it's a "great" movie or anything, but it was entertaining. I don't hate brainy films, I just hate Mulholland Drive because it is a terrible movie desquised as a brainy film.

Just another special-effects movie. Terrible acting and writing. A lot of great talents wasted. They play like video games instead of movies. biggest_loser

Yep. They're the kind of movies that you have to completely turn off your standards to enjoy. The dialogue is cringe-worthy. George Lucas is only good at directing scenes with no people in them.

There were some good moments in each film, yet the whole couldn't make up for those few good parts. The dialogue was horrific.Yagr_Zero

The 3rd is good and probably my 3rd favorite of the six. The first two were fun but they don't really fit in with the last 4

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Yes but there is difference.. I didn't find him funny either but he was a Side character.. Anakin was a main focal point of the entire series and was a complete jackass which ruined it.

sSubZerOo

Yeah who could forget of the memorable moments of Nooooo!!!, Its over Anakin I got the high ground.. Or my personal favorite.. Oh no not the younglings! Or no no.. Anakin's comedic fall after making a mistake and thinking.. Well I might as well go the whole way!.. At least Darth Maul, Qui Gon and Obi Wan were enjoyable characters that didn't say or do ridiculous things in the first one..

[QUOTE="Yagr_Zero"]There were some good moments in each film, yet the whole couldn't make up for those few good parts. The dialogue was horrific.Allicrombie

Stars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith was really the only prequel I enjoyed. AOTS and TPM we're subpar, especially AOTS. But now that I think of it, TPM was a decent movie.

I enjoyed them, don't really understand the hate they get.

Episode 1: Excellent, probably my favourite as IMO it has the best battle in the series. QQ'd about Qui-Gon though :P

Episode 2: Pretty average to be fair, wasn't a huge fan, Anakin really irritated me.

Episode 3: Great film, almost as good as Episode 1. Thought the story developed really nicely.

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

Don't get me wrong, I do like some things about Episodes 1 and 2, but in many areas they don't exceed that well. They aren't the worst movies ever, but people love to compare them to Episodes 4-6, and that's where they fall apart.

mitu123

I'm with you on that.

4, 5 and 6 are all excellent films. Ranking any of the second three above the first three is blasphemous.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="fl4tlined"]2 things really ****ed up the prequels and jar jar binks was tolerable to me compared to these reason. 1. anakin dosent matter kid or the older one they both sucked horribly and when the whole movie was bassicly about his downfall and turning into darth vader and they **** up that bad the movie is horrible...it would be like if rocky sucked at acting in rocky... 2. probably the biggest offense to me was how they explained the force... Instead of making it a unexplained quasi religious thing that resides in every person sort of like chi NAH lets just explain it with god damn bacteria...Lockedge

Honestly if you shut off your brain and reduce your expectations to zero, they aren't that bad. I'll say this as a consistant comic book fan, the prequel EU is far superior to the movies.

I liken Star Wars franchise to a sand castle, George Lucas' sand castle. A glorious creation that he felt the compulsion to pound into the ground through the recent films. Not even the slightest amount of dignity was spared.

Sad thing is I think the series would have been far better if it didn't even have Anakin in it.. I don't care if it wouldn't have made any sense plot wise.

sSubZerOo

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Sad thing is I think the series would have been far better if it didn't even have Anakin in it.. I don't care if it wouldn't have made any sense plot wise.

BranKetra

Where did I say it was? Thats the problem, his character even as a little kid was a complete dbag that train wrecked the series.. If it stayed with Liam Neeson and McGregor it would have been far better.. Like I said it would have made no sense for the old series.. But they would have been superior movies if Anakin just didn't exist period.. His character was absolutely obnoxious that only got worse as time went on..

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Sad thing is I think the series would have been far better if it didn't even have Anakin in it.. I don't care if it wouldn't have made any sense plot wise.

sSubZerOo

Where did I say it was? Thats the problem, his character even as a little kid was a complete dbag that train wrecked the series.. If it stayed with Liam Neeson and McGregor it would have been far better.. Like I said it would have made no sense for the old series.. But they would have been superior movies if Anakin just didn't exist period.. His character was absolutely obnoxious that only got worse as time went on..

Loved it. The third movie was the best imo.

I enjoyed how Lucas tied it all together very nicely...

I highly enjoyed Ep. 3. 1 and 2 were ok, not as bad as some people call them, but not as good as original,3 is the only one out of the prequels that compare to the orginal (personaly like it better then 6).