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While it's generally accepted that foward time travel is indeed possible (if you accelerate to high speeds time actually passes slower for you than for everyone else), I have my doubts about time travel to the past. The law of conservation of mass and energy states that the amount of mass/energy in the universe is constant. If one was to travel into the past where would the extra mass/energy come from?Anybody looked into this subject much? This is just one of those things that I lie awake at night thinking about.

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#2 darkmark91
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I'm with you with on the going into the future part and with the not being able to into the past part.

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#3 ReaperV7
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future yes, past no.
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#4 MetallicaKings
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is it possibly? I really doubt most people here have put together an intelligent opinion by studying both sides.
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#5 lightleggy
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I dont think its possible to travel to past without causing a time paradox that would destroy you
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#6 duxup
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1. If you look thru history when we think we've figured out a good chunk of science and later we find out we were wrong.

2. Some folks at MIT already had the first and only time traveler convention and nobody showed who was open about being a time traveler...

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#7 cjek
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Future is obviously possible, seeing as it has to be taken into account for things like GPS. The satellites travel so fast that over many years they actually are further forward in time than we are, to put it simply. But we're talking about tiny fractions of a second here, but for such accurate applications such as GPS it can make all the difference. We don't know enough yet to understand about backwards time travel, but there's a lot we don't understand about the universe I guess.
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#8 walkingdream
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Traveling to past is only possible if you can go faster than the speed of light, which apparently is possible according to some most others though say it's not possible.
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#9 fubbal
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This is just my opinion on the subject but as a person who believes in god I don't think that it would be possible.I think that god controls time and space.If he let us do maybe but I don't think he would allow things like that to happen.Cause if found a way to go forward or back think of the things that could happen.Want to win a war lets go back in time and wipe em out before it starts.Bad things would indeed take place.

Humans abuse every known tech we have to some destructive extent.Look at the atom bomb.Atomic energy was intended to be used for a better energy source instead we use it to blow up millions of people at once.I do think however that its possible to teleport and even travel light speed.Heck I was reading an article some where that said they teleported a apple or something from a short point in a lab somewhere.To me thats pretty crazy.It will also be used for war like purposes though just watch.Why send in a jet when you can teleport a H bomb over instead.Still I dont think that we'll be around to even see this put to use because regardless of what people say there are those out who want power and have the money and resources to use things like this to gain that power,and I believe that God will ahve to step in and say ok you've done enough damage its time to stop.

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#10 cyberdarkkid
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I don't know about travelling to the past because as far as I know you can't transport matter to the past but travelling to the future is possible since we are doing that at this very moment but not the way that is portrayed in the movies, unless someone figures out how to make time subjectively faster for someone, but then again that person would still age. But then there is the possibility of traveling to another dimension which could happen to be the past or the future, but I'm not sure if you can really call that "time traveling"
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This is just my opinion on the subject but as a person who believes in god I don't think that it would be possible.I think that god controls time and space.If he let us do maybe but I don't think he would allow things like that to happen.Cause if found a way to go forward or back think of the things that could happen.Want to win a war lets go back in time and wipe em out before it starts.Bad things would indeed take place.

Humans abuse every known tech we have to some destructive extent.Look at the atom bomb.Atomic energy was intended to be used for a better energy source instead we use it to blow up millions of people at once.I do think however that its possible to teleport and even travel light speed.Heck I was reading an article some where that said they teleported a apple or something from a short point in a lab somewhere.To me thats pretty crazy.It will also be used for war like purposes though just watch.Why send in a jet when you can teleport a H bomb ever instead.

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Nobody has ever teleported an apple. So sadly we won't be ordering instant apple pies from the internet any time soon.
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#12 gamedude2020
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If you think about it, your not really travelling into the future, your just getting there slightly faster then everyone else.

On the program "the Universe" is said: if you stand at the top of a forty story building for 150 years, you would travel forward in time, half a milisecond.

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#13 Desulated
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As of now, not possible. Maybe in the future....possibly.

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[QUOTE="fubbal"]

This is just my opinion on the subject but as a person who believes in god I don't think that it would be possible.I think that god controls time and space.If he let us do maybe but I don't think he would allow things like that to happen.Cause if found a way to go forward or back think of the things that could happen.Want to win a war lets go back in time and wipe em out before it starts.Bad things would indeed take place.

Humans abuse every known tech we have to some destructive extent.Look at the atom bomb.Atomic energy was intended to be used for a better energy source instead we use it to blow up millions of people at once.I do think however that its possible to teleport and even travel light speed.Heck I was reading an article some where that said they teleported a apple or something from a short point in a lab somewhere.To me thats pretty crazy.It will also be used for war like purposes though just watch.Why send in a jet when you can teleport a H bomb ever instead.

cjek
Nobody has ever teleported an apple. So sadly we won't be ordering instant apple pies from the internet any time soon.

Well they have succeeded teleporting quantum information from one atom to another with about a 1 meter distance i think. But that is just public science. Nobody really knows how far we are.
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#15 gamedude2020
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As of now, not possible.

Desulated

Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression that back to the future was based on a true story.

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This is just my opinion on the subject but as a person who believes in god I don't think that it would be possible.I think that god controls time and space.If he let us do maybe but I don't think he would allow things like that to happen.Cause if found a way to go forward or back think of the things that could happen.Want to win a war lets go back in time and wipe em out before it starts.Bad things would indeed take place.

Humans abuse every known tech we have to some destructive extent.Look at the atom bomb.Atomic energy was intended to be used for a better energy source instead we use it to blow up millions of people at once.I do think however that its possible to teleport and even travel light speed.Heck I was reading an article some where that said they teleported a apple or something from a short point in a lab somewhere.To me thats pretty crazy.It will also be used for war like purposes though just watch.Why send in a jet when you can teleport a H bomb over instead.Still I dont think that we'll be around to even see this put to use because regardless of what people say there are those out who want power and have the money and resources to use things like this to gain that power,and I believe that God will ahve to step in and say ok you've done enough damage its time to stop.

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God exists outside of time. And I'm fairly certain that God would just allow us to suffer the consequences of our actions(how else would we ever learn from our mistakes). Anyway this is discussion regarding time travel, not teleportation or God. I respect your opinion but lets try to keep this from becoming a religious debate.
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#17 EMOEVOLUTION
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Nope, it's not possible If you can't travel in both pereceived directions of time.. then all you're doing is moving into time at a different rate of speed.

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#18 Penguinchow
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If you think about it, your not really travelling into the future, your just getting there slightly faster then everyone else.

On the program "the Universe" is said: if you stand at the top of a forty story building for 150 years, you would travel forward in time, half a milisecond.

gamedude2020
Technically we travel into the future every day. And yes your point is valid, but getting there at a significantly faster speed would most likely be considered time travel.
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While it's generally accepted that foward time travel is indeed possible (if you accelerate to high speeds time actually passes slower for you than for everyone else), I have my doubts about time travel to the past. The law of conservation of mass and energy states that the amount of mass/energy in the universe is constant. If one was to travel into the past where would the extra mass/energy come from?Anybody looked into this subject much? This is just one of those things that I lie awake at night thinking about.

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Theoretically time travel to the past is possible if you can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum (300000000m/s), so far nothing can travel faster than that. You can actually decrease the speed of light by passing through different mediums such as water or oil but that wont help with time travel. Also you made that point on the high speeds make time go by slower than for others, that is why you age less while in space, but if time is slower for you (say 2 seconds go by for you and 10 go by for everyone else) you are actually in the past to them.

Another thing to think about is if the future hasnt happened yet how can you travel to it

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#20 Desulated
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[QUOTE="Desulated"]

As of now, not possible.

gamedude2020

Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression that back to the future was based on a true story.

Well such a project would cost billions of dollars, more expensive than pretty much anything in mankind.

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[QUOTE="cjek"][QUOTE="fubbal"]

This is just my opinion on the subject but as a person who believes in god I don't think that it would be possible.I think that god controls time and space.If he let us do maybe but I don't think he would allow things like that to happen.Cause if found a way to go forward or back think of the things that could happen.Want to win a war lets go back in time and wipe em out before it starts.Bad things would indeed take place.

Humans abuse every known tech we have to some destructive extent.Look at the atom bomb.Atomic energy was intended to be used for a better energy source instead we use it to blow up millions of people at once.I do think however that its possible to teleport and even travel light speed.Heck I was reading an article some where that said they teleported a apple or something from a short point in a lab somewhere.To me thats pretty crazy.It will also be used for war like purposes though just watch.Why send in a jet when you can teleport a H bomb ever instead.

Nobody has ever teleported an apple. So sadly we won't be ordering instant apple pies from the internet any time soon.

But we can time travel?
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LOST did it = Time travel exists. :P

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Time travel to the past does not work unless there is a multiverse rather than a universe. There has to been many parallel universes for time travel into the past to work.

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[QUOTE="Penguinchow"]

While it's generally accepted that foward time travel is indeed possible (if you accelerate to high speeds time actually passes slower for you than for everyone else), I have my doubts about time travel to the past. The law of conservation of mass and energy states that the amount of mass/energy in the universe is constant. If one was to travel into the past where would the extra mass/energy come from?Anybody looked into this subject much? This is just one of those things that I lie awake at night thinking about.

aequitas31

Theoretically time travel to the past is possible if you can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum (300000000m/s), so far nothing can travel faster than that. You can actually decrease the speed of light by passing through different mediums such as water or oil but that wont help with time travel. Also you made that point on the high speeds make time go by slower than for others, that is why you age less while in space, but if time is slower for you (say 2 seconds go by for you and 10 go by for everyone else) you are actually in the past to them.

Another thing to think about is if the future hasnt happened yet how can you travel to it

For you the future hasn't happened yet. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Besides you would technically just be experiencing time passing at a higher rate

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Well, if you think about it, it is theoretically possible to accelerate to a speed that is faster than anything, being as all set proccesses have a set speed correlating to them. (ex: sound, light) Here is my take on this though. If you accelerate to a speed that is faster than the aging process with the intention of returning back and being in the future, wouldn't you be doing the exact opposite? If you accelerate past aging processes, you would still age the same, but if you got back, it would be less time for the rest of the world. Since that was probably confusing, I'll put it a different way. If you are racing a beam of light, and you travel much faster than the speed of light, you would have time to go from the start to finish and back with enough time to beat the beam for a second time. The amount of time the person has percieved to be gone would be much more than the beam of light, (lets just say the beam had a brain...) and therefore would be having the reverse effect of future travel. Instead you would be aging faster than the rest of the world, but not going into the past either, being as that would require a way to actually reverse the processes of the body and the universe. Does anyone follow me on this or is it still to confusing?
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[QUOTE="Penguinchow"]

While it's generally accepted that foward time travel is indeed possible (if you accelerate to high speeds time actually passes slower for you than for everyone else), I have my doubts about time travel to the past. The law of conservation of mass and energy states that the amount of mass/energy in the universe is constant. If one was to travel into the past where would the extra mass/energy come from?Anybody looked into this subject much? This is just one of those things that I lie awake at night thinking about.

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Theoretically time travel to the past is possible if you can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum (300000000m/s), so far nothing can travel faster than that. You can actually decrease the speed of light by passing through different mediums such as water or oil but that wont help with time travel. Also you made that point on the high speeds make time go by slower than for others, that is why you age less while in space, but if time is slower for you (say 2 seconds go by for you and 10 go by for everyone else) you are actually in the past to them.

Another thing to think about is if the future hasnt happened yet how can you travel to it

By bending spacetime You could have a particle travel faster than light under normal circumstances, maybe. They are still busy with that. But that's way above my head. Hat even. I never really looked into those things as much as i wanted.

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trying to understand the concept of time travel gives me a headache....

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#29 fubbal
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http://www.unreasonableman.net/2006/10/scientists_tele.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482264,00.html

Ok this is a bit different from an apple but still impresive!

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In his book "Physics of the Impossible", Dr. Michio Kaku (who helped to come up with string theory as I understand it) claims that time travel may indeed be possible, but if so not until the very distant future.

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[QUOTE="Penguinchow"]

While it's generally accepted that foward time travel is indeed possible (if you accelerate to high speeds time actually passes slower for you than for everyone else), I have my doubts about time travel to the past. The law of conservation of mass and energy states that the amount of mass/energy in the universe is constant. If one was to travel into the past where would the extra mass/energy come from?Anybody looked into this subject much? This is just one of those things that I lie awake at night thinking about.

aequitas31

Theoretically time travel to the past is possible if you can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum (300000000m/s), so far nothing can travel faster than that. You can actually decrease the speed of light by passing through different mediums such as water or oil but that wont help with time travel. Also you made that point on the high speeds make time go by slower than for others, that is why you age less while in space, but if time is slower for you (say 2 seconds go by for you and 10 go by for everyone else) you are actually in the past to them.

Another thing to think about is if the future hasnt happened yet how can you travel to it

I fail to understand how in object at considerable positive velocity, with no other object acting upon it, can suddenly reverse it's direction, and travel backwards through time. As far as I know, an object cannot reverse its direction without the act of another force upon it, and as you stated, this took place in a vacuum. Also, you would not be traveling into the past, because if you're going faster than everthing, you're actually aging faster, being as you're the only one that is still aging the same speed, according to the travelers perception.

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Future is obviously possible, seeing as it has to be taken into account for things like GPS. The satellites travel so fast that over many years they actually are further forward in time than we are, to put it simply. But we're talking about tiny fractions of a second here, but for such accurate applications such as GPS it can make all the difference. We don't know enough yet to understand about backwards time travel, but there's a lot we don't understand about the universe I guess.cjek
It's actually because the gravitational effects of space time on Earth are greater than they are in outer space (the only reason speed affects time is because speed increases your gravitational pull), and the effects of the differences in time would be noticed in hours.
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Even if you could your clothes wouldn't!!
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Even if you could your clothes wouldn't!!biggest_loser
Lol but how cool would it be to suddenly appear naked in the middle of some major historical event?
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Even if you could your clothes wouldn't!!Penguinchow
Lol but how cool would it be to suddenly appear naked in the middle of some major historical event?

It worked for Eric Bana!! Just as long as it wasn't an era with swords! Thats all I can say!!
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Most research I've done was into the philosophy of time, and said research seems to unambiguouslysupport the negative, in that time travel is NOT possible. That is because future moments and past moments of time do not actually exist, only present moments exist. If past and future moments dont exist, then what are you traveling to?

That being said, I think the wormhole/spaceship experiment is flawed. Assuming that wormholes are even possible, then persons in the "motionless" wormhole wouldn't have the same experience as the person in the spaceship fast-moving wormhole.

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1. If you look thru history when we think we've figured out a good chunk of science and later we find out we were wrong.

duxup

Doesn't that better support pessimistic meta-induction rather than scientific realism? I mean, if people throughout the history of science have, by and large, been wrong about most things, then should we not induce that we are therefore wrong now?

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I'm sure there is a way to do it but the human mind is far too dumb to find it. And we waste our time with war when we should be making Love and Peace!
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Well, if you think about it, it is theoretically possible to accelerate to a speed that is faster than anything, being as all set proccesses have a set speed correlating to them. (ex: sound, light) Here is my take on this though. If you accelerate to a speed that is faster than the aging process with the intention of returning back and being in the future, wouldn't you be doing the exact opposite? If you accelerate past aging processes, you would still age the same, but if you got back, it would be less time for the rest of the world. Since that was probably confusing, I'll put it a different way. If you are racing a beam of light, and you travel much faster than the speed of light, you would have time to go from the start to finish and back with enough time to beat the beam for a second time. The amount of time the person has percieved to be gone would be much more than the beam of light, (lets just say the beam had a brain...) and therefore would be having the reverse effect of future travel. Instead you would be aging faster than the rest of the world, but not going into the past either, being as that would require a way to actually reverse the processes of the body and the universe. Does anyone follow me on this or is it still to confusing?Hellfire-1
You can not accelerate indefinitely. The faster you go, the more mass you create. The more mass you have, the more gravity you have and the harder it becomes to go faster. If you were somehow able to get an object to travel the speed of light, it would create so much gravity that you'd need enough power to not only pull the rest of the universe behind you, but withstand the gravitational effects of what would become the greatest black hole the universe ever witnessed. My memory on this may be a little shaky, but a physical object that travels the speed of light would create infinite mass and gravity and the power requirements to do that would be insane (I'm not even sure if it's possible).
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While it's generally accepted that foward time travel is indeed possible (if you accelerate to high speeds time actually passes slower for you than for everyone else), I have my doubts about time travel to the past. The law of conservation of mass and energy states that the amount of mass/energy in the universe is constant. If one was to travel into the past where would the extra mass/energy come from?Anybody looked into this subject much? This is just one of those things that I lie awake at night thinking about.

Penguinchow

there's a theory i can't remember of the name of atm that state's that mass and energy are constant, but a absence of some at one point would allow more at another. such as a satellite placed along earth's orbit but outside the gravitational pull of the earth. it doesn't even have any potential energy unless the earth is near it.

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Most research I've done was into the philosophy of time, and said research seems to unambiguouslysupport the negative, in that time travel is NOT possible. That is because future moments and past moments of time do not actually exist, only present moments exist. If past and future moments dont exist, then what are you traveling to?

That being said, I think the wormhole/spaceship experiment is flawed. Assuming that wormholes are even possible, then persons in the "motionless" wormhole wouldn't have the same experience as the person in the spaceship fast-moving wormhole.

I've seen research that suggested it is possible, but would require the equivalent power of the entire planet of Jupiter. I can't remember the details though, and it was kind of restrictive (i.e. you had to know in advance what point in time you wanted to travel back to -- you couldn't just go anywhere).
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#42 mr_poodles123
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Quite simply, no. Going forward into what hasn't happened yet isn't possible. What hasn't happened hasn't happened.
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#43 Mr_Paparazzi
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I do not think that we will ever be able to time travel it is just something we will always dream about.
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#45 EMOEVOLUTION
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"][QUOTE="danwallacefan"]

Most research I've done was into the philosophy of time, and said research seems to unambiguouslysupport the negative, in that time travel is NOT possible. That is because future moments and past moments of time do not actually exist, only present moments exist. If past and future moments dont exist, then what are you traveling to?

That being said, I think the wormhole/spaceship experiment is flawed. Assuming that wormholes are even possible, then persons in the "motionless" wormhole wouldn't have the same experience as the person in the spaceship fast-moving wormhole.

I've seen research that suggested it is possible, but would require the equivalent power of the entire planet of Jupiter. I can't remember the details though, and it was kind of restrictive (i.e. you had to know in advance what point in time you wanted to travel back to -- you couldn't just go anywhere).

IT's really not possible.. even if you travel to another dimension that's set in place at a another time.. it's still not time thats ever been present in our world. About all you can hope for is to travel really fast into time.. which is just the same as moving at a slow rate into time. You don't really gain anything from it.. because after you've done that you can't go back.
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#46 Penguinchow
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HOW ABOUT U GO DIEiLOVE2TROLL
Comeon if you're going to make an account just to troll at least do something creative
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#47 garrett_duffman
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I can time travel, in fact, everyone can! we all move forward in time, and when we sleep, we travel from 1 to 10 hours through time at a time!
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#49 GrindingAxe
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Quite simply, no. Going forward into what hasn't happened yet isn't possible. What hasn't happened hasn't happened.mr_poodles123
Yeah I'm with you.
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#50 MetroidPrimePwn
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Do you have a flux capacitor and 1.21 gigawatts of electricity?