today marks DAY 100 for Guantanamo hunger strike, Americans stand up!

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#1 GrayF0X786
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qufyfE-I9GA

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"It's been exactly one hundred days since detainees at Guantanamo Bay camp started their hunger strike. The official number of inmates refusing food has been increasing on an almost daily basis and has reached at least one hundred

Around thirty hunger-strikers are being subjected to force-feeding a controversial tactic condemned by the UN and the international medical community as inhumane. And all those numbers are only likely to grow.

Because what started as a strike against mistreatment has turned into a battle against indefinite detention and Washington's broken promises to close the prison at the center of America's War on Terror."

My hats off to the courage these men are showing in that nasty torture centre! shame on Obama....

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#2 TxTech1923
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Good, if they all starve to death thats less wasted taxpayer money that their country wouldn't even dream of spending on American prisoners.
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#3 themajormayor
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Shouldn't they be dead already since about 2 months?
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#4 ferrari2001
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Shouldn't they be dead already since about 2 months?themajormayor
There are ways to force feed people who go on hunger strikes.
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#5 GrayF0X786
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Shouldn't they be dead already since about 2 months?themajormayor
many of them are on the verge of death, lawyers hace spoken with some of the detainees, alot of them hardly have the strength to walk or talk, i think death is what they want, to Muslims they will be considered as martyrs.

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#6 The_Lipscomb
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I understand.

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#7 michaelP4
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Wish they could be deported to their respective countries to deal with - which actually want them. Ridiculous that the US continues to keep them in the name of human rights.
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#8 DroidPhysX
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Why do you care what the west does?
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Why do you care what the west does?DroidPhysX
why is my shit not as dark as it once was?

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Why do you care what the west does?DroidPhysX
Well he is a westerner and bad is bad no matter where it's happening.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Shouldn't they be dead already since about 2 months?ferrari2001
There are ways to force feed people who go on hunger strikes.

yeah IV's work wonders.
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#12 lo_Pine
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Don't care.
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i can't find my violin. :(

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#14 T-Bone91
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Just one more reason for the muslim community to hate the US government and propaganda fodder for terrorists during recruitments.
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#15 thebest31406
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100 days? Jesus. 

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I don't care.
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Wait.  Although he vowed to close Gitmo, did he promise to free the detainees?  I thought the plan was to close Gitmo, but move the detainees to a facility in Illinois.

If so, what's the difference really, other than geography?

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Wait.  Although he vowed to close Gitmo, did he promise to free the detainees?  I thought the plan was to close Gitmo, but move the detainees to a facility in Illinois.

If so, what's the difference really, other than geography?

VoodooHak
Good point. The presence of gitmo isn't the only issue. Detaining the ones who are known to be innocent while refusing due process to the rest is the issue.
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#19 LJS9502_basic
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Their choice.....
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i can't find my violin. :(

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Don't worry, I brought one...:(

Violin

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#21 Strakha
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I didn't even know it was possible to go 100 days without food. Wish I could go even a day or two and lose some weight. I admire their impulse control.

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obama-closes-guantanamo-allows-detention.

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meh

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[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Wait.  Although he vowed to close Gitmo, did he promise to free the detainees?  I thought the plan was to close Gitmo, but move the detainees to a facility in Illinois.

If so, what's the difference really, other than geography?

thebest31406

Good point. The presence of gitmo isn't the only issue. Detaining the ones who are known to be innocent while refusing due process to the rest is the issue.

Due process? Are they US citizens?

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[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Wait.  Although he vowed to close Gitmo, did he promise to free the detainees?  I thought the plan was to close Gitmo, but move the detainees to a facility in Illinois.

If so, what's the difference really, other than geography?

thebest31406
Good point. The presence of gitmo isn't the only issue. Detaining the ones who are known to be innocent while refusing due process to the rest is the issue.

Due process doesn't apply. Take a civics course....
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Wait.  Although he vowed to close Gitmo, did he promise to free the detainees?  I thought the plan was to close Gitmo, but move the detainees to a facility in Illinois.

If so, what's the difference really, other than geography?

VoodooHak

Good point. The presence of gitmo isn't the only issue. Detaining the ones who are known to be innocent while refusing due process to the rest is the issue.

Due process? Are they US citizens?

Probably not but what difference does that make?
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"] Probably not but what difference does that make?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Wait.  Although he vowed to close Gitmo, did he promise to free the detainees?  I thought the plan was to close Gitmo, but move the detainees to a facility in Illinois.

If so, what's the difference really, other than geography?

VoodooHak

Good point. The presence of gitmo isn't the only issue. Detaining the ones who are known to be innocent while refusing due process to the rest is the issue.

Due process doesn't apply. Take a civics course....

Take a history course. Due process is older than the United States; goes all the way back to the Magna Carta and it happens to be something that non-hypocrites believe in as just a general practice, not a legal privilege for just US citizens.

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Take a history course. Due process is older than the United States; goes all the way back to the Magna Carta andit happens to be something that non-hypocrites believe in as just a general practice, not a legal privilege for just US citizens.

Yeah that doesn't mean shit dude. Each government sets it's own laws. Since we're talking about the US...US law apply. Shouldn't take an Einstein to figure that out.....
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Take a history course. Due process is older than the United States; goes all the way back to the Magna Carta andit happens to be something that non-hypocrites believe in as just a general practice, not a legal privilege for just US citizens. LJS9502_basic
Yeah that doesn't mean shit dude. Each government sets it's own laws. Since we're talking about the US...US law apply. Shouldn't take an Einstein to figure that out.....

Well I know it doesn't mean shit to you because you're a hypocrite who's oblivious to immoral crimes committed by the state. Actually, you're worst. Those who are oblivious tend to say "eh" or "I don't care", where as you actually support this. So, you a hypocrite with no moral compass whatsoever.

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Take a history course. Due process is older than the United States; goes all the way back to the Magna Carta and it happens to be something that non-hypocrites believe in as just a general practice, not a legal privilege for just US citizens.

thebest31406

Just believing in it does not make it law

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"]Yeah that doesn't mean shit dude. Each government sets it's own laws. Since we're talking about the US...US law apply. Shouldn't take an Einstein to figure that out.....LJS9502_basic
Well I know it doesn't mean shit to you because you're a hypocrite who oblivious to immoral crimes committed by the state. Actually, you're worst. Those who are oblivious tend to say "eh" or "I don't care", where as you actually support this. So, you a hypocrite with no moral compass whatsoever.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

Take a history course. Due process is older than the United States; goes all the way back to the Magna Carta and it happens to be something that non-hypocrites believe in as just a general practice, not a legal privilege for just US citizens.

lostrib

Just believing in it does not make it law

Segregation was the law. Anti-interracial relations was the law. Anti-sodomy was the law. See where I'm going with this?
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#33 lostrib
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 Segregation was the law. Anti-interracial relations was the law. Anti-sodomy was the law. See where I'm going with this?thebest31406

Yes you feel that denying people due process is wrong. 

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

 Segregation was the law. Anti-interracial relations was the law. Anti-sodomy was the law. See where I'm going with this?lostrib

Yes you feel that denying people due process is wrong. 

Pretty much.
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#35 WhiteKnight77
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We went over this the last time this very topic was posted about. As enemy combatants taken prisoner in a war zone, they can be held indefinitely.
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#36 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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OP doesn't give a flying fvck about the detainees he's just posting this to try and troll Americans.

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I thought the plan was to close Gitmo, but move the detainees to a facility in Illinois. If so, what's the difference really, other than geography?VoodooHak
There's things you can get away with legally in Cuba but not in the US. Exactly the reason gitmo is there in the first place.
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#38 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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OP just mad some of his family is in there.
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#39 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Pretty divided in this.

In one direction, true justice should be served, and these men should be brough to trial. Make these people and their actions known. Why hide something unless you have something to hide.

The opposite direction, these men found their way into this prison. What terrible, dark circles must they have been a part of? Maybe no sympathy should be spared.

At the end of the day, I would have to say I'm 60/40 towards trial.

InEMplease

Based on "past incidents" the US has been caught with, such as Abu Ghraib, I wouldn't be shocked to find that there were a significantly large number of people who are innocent and/or have absolutely no evidence to begin with to hold them..

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Gitmo is tough, the president probably thought it would be easy, but with no where else to put these prisoners, it has to stay open. It's kinda like the drone program. Yes, it's not the best option in the universe, but the alternative is to ignore possible threats to national security. I'm just glad I don't have to make these damned if you do, damned if you don't choices. 

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Gitmo is tough, the president probably thought it would be easy, but with no where else to put these prisoners, it has to stay open. It's kinda like the drone program. Yes, it's not the best option in the universe, but the alternative is to ignore possible threats to national security. I'm just glad I don't have to make these damned if you do, damned if you don't choices.

Yusuke420

... Of course there are other places to put the prisoners.. We have maximum security prisons all over the country.. We jail more people then China for crying out loud..

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Gitmo is tough, the president probably thought it would be easy, but with no where else to put these prisoners, it has to stay open. It's kinda like the drone program. Yes, it's not the best option in the universe, but the alternative is to ignore possible threats to national security. I'm just glad I don't have to make these damned if you do, damned if you don't choices.

sSubZerOo

... Of course there are other places to put the prisoners.. We have maximum security prisons all over the country.. We jail more people then China for crying out loud..

Do you really think that these people would last amoung our general prison population, criminals maybe lots of things, but even they have thing they'll stand up for. If you think that these soldiers did to these folks in Abu Griab was bad, just wait until Royce and Tyrone get a hold of them for being terrorists or jihadis. 

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Gitmo is tough, the president probably thought it would be easy, but with no where else to put these prisoners, it has to stay open. It's kinda like the drone program. Yes, it's not the best option in the universe, but the alternative is to ignore possible threats to national security. I'm just glad I don't have to make these damned if you do, damned if you don't choices.

Yusuke420

... Of course there are other places to put the prisoners.. We have maximum security prisons all over the country.. We jail more people then China for crying out loud..

Do you really think that these people would last amoung our general prison population, criminals maybe lots of things, but even they have thing they'll stand up for. If you think that these soldiers did to these folks in Abu Griab was bad, just wait until Royce and Tyrone get a hold of them for being terrorists or jihadis.

:| Yep uh huh because sending them to a maximum security prison automatically means they are put in general public of the prison population :roll:.. Where the hell do you think Charlie Manson, dangerous gang members and other such people are put? Because it sure as hell isn't general populace.

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#44 Yusuke420
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So you want to isolate them in various super max prisons across the country? How does that do anything to change their situation? It's the exact same thing it is now. 

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Oh okay... Well, this marks day 100 of me eating since a 100 days ago.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Take a history course. Due process is older than the United States; goes all the way back to the Magna Carta andit happens to be something that non-hypocrites believe in as just a general practice, not a legal privilege for just US citizens. thebest31406

Yeah that doesn't mean shit dude. Each government sets it's own laws. Since we're talking about the US...US law apply. Shouldn't take an Einstein to figure that out.....

Well I know it doesn't mean shit to you because you're a hypocrite who's oblivious to immoral crimes committed by the state. Actually, you're worst. Those who are oblivious tend to say "eh" or "I don't care", where as you actually support this. So, you a hypocrite with no moral compass whatsoever.

I didn't address that question in this thread. Stop assuming what I think fool.
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#47 Leejjohno
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Their choice.....LJS9502_basic

It's probably better than the alternative.

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#48 GrayF0X786
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OP just mad some of his family is in there.FrostyPhantasm
it is no wonder why most of you here are a bunch of assholes.

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#49 lostrib
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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]OP just mad some of his family is in there.GrayF0X786

it is no wonder why most of you here are a bunch of assholes.

why?

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#50 LostProphetFLCL
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....