today marks DAY 100 for Guantanamo hunger strike, Americans stand up!

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#51 GrayF0X786
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

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the same way people assume that the prisoners are not innocent....

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#52 LostProphetFLCL
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

GrayF0X786

the same way people assume that the prisoners are not innocent....

Let me ask you a question, where do you think they are getting these prisoners? Do you think they go around just randomly rounding up people so they can take them back, deny them their rights and torture them while laughing maniacally?

Oh wait, knowing you, you probably do because you are dumb like that....

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#53 TheWalkingGhost
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Ok?
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#54 sapphire54
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

LostProphetFLCL

 

And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.

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#55 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

sapphire54

And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.

yes presumption of innocence, something the west learnt from the Islamic form of justice, yet still cannot implement it to all in the 21st century.

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#56 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

LostProphetFLCL

the same way people assume that the prisoners are not innocent....

Let me ask you a question, where do you think they are getting these prisoners? Do you think they go around just randomly rounding up people so they can take them back, deny them their rights and torture them while laughing maniacally?

Oh wait, knowing you, you probably do because you are dumb like that....

ok.

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#57 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

sapphire54

 

And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.

Which government do you live under that doesn't arrest/detain those suspected of crime?
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#58 sapphire54
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The way some people go on in here, you'd think they reside in one of the Asian countries where you are guilty until you can prove your innocence.

Innocent until proven guilty, the country's criminal justice system in built on it. If you don't agree with it take it up with the entire criminal justice system - not with those being ridden of thier rights and being treated contrary to what the established rules of justice are here.

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#59 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="sapphire54"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

LJS9502_basic

And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.

Which government do you live under that doesn't arrest/detain those suspected of crime?

the one that shoots a teenager in a boat leaving him in a critical condition and then runs his brother over with a van i'm guessing.

don't get me started on the drones :)

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#60 _R34LiTY_
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

LostProphetFLCL

That's no different than ascertaining that they are quilty merely because of the prejudice that people developed over what type of person is being conveyed as the usual terrorists nowadays.

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#61 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah that doesn't mean shit dude. Each government sets it's own laws. Since we're talking about the US...US law apply. Shouldn't take an Einstein to figure that out.....LJS9502_basic

Well I know it doesn't mean shit to you because you're a hypocrite who's oblivious to immoral crimes committed by the state. Actually, you're worst. Those who are oblivious tend to say "eh" or "I don't care", where as you actually support this. So, you a hypocrite with no moral compass whatsoever.

I didn't address that question in this thread. Stop assuming what I think fool.

Yet you care enough to address my statement, which means that you're either a hypocrite, you're obsessed with me or both.

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#62 m25105
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

LostProphetFLCL

Murat Kurnaz. Now shut the **** up.

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#63 gamingqueen
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[QUOTE="sapphire54"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

LJS9502_basic

 

And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.

Which government do you live under that doesn't arrest/detain those suspected of crime?

All please that works for all governments. It was mentioned in declaration of human rights, convention for civil and political, article no 14 in us constitution and a million other international treaty which is legally binding to US gov. If you're that religious then why don't you preach in some temple? Bigot. 

innocent until proven guilty in a normal court where the guarantees of the right to defense are secured is something mentioned in every statute, every law, every rule out there. It's nothing new and law people call it the right to defense and right to a fair trial. 

Close Guantanamo

Stop the drones

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#64 GrayF0X786
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QFT ^^ :D

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#65 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Well I know it doesn't mean shit to you because you're a hypocrite who's oblivious to immoral crimes committed by the state. Actually, you're worst. Those who are oblivious tend to say "eh" or "I don't care", where as you actually support this. So, you a hypocrite with no moral compass whatsoever.

thebest31406

I didn't address that question in this thread. Stop assuming what I think fool.

Yet you care enough to address my statement, which means that you're either a hypocrite, you're obsessed with me or both.

Or neither and I was bored and you had responded to me....
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#66 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sapphire54"]

 

And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.

gamingqueen

Which government do you live under that doesn't arrest/detain those suspected of crime?

All please that works for all governments. It was mentioned in declaration of human rights, convention for civil and political, article no 14 in us constitution and a million other international treaty which is legally binding to US gov. If you're that religious then why don't you preach in some temple? Bigot. 

innocent until proven guilty in a normal court where the guarantees of the right to defense are secured is something mentioned in every statute, every law, every rule out there. It's nothing new and law people call it the right to defense and right to a fair trial. 

Close Guantanamo

Stop the drones

Let me clear up your confusion. It may say innocent until proved guilty but governments sure as hell can arrest and detain pretrial.
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#67 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I didn't address that question in this thread. Stop assuming what I think fool.LJS9502_basic

Yet you care enough to address my statement, which means that you're either a hypocrite, you're obsessed with me or both.

Or neither and I was bored and you had responded to me....

Ah, so you were trolling. Well, that changes everything...
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#68 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Yet you care enough to address my statement, which means that you're either a hypocrite, you're obsessed with me or both.thebest31406
Or neither and I was bored and you had responded to me....

Ah, so you were trolling. Well, that changes everything...

I didn't say I was trolling. You really are having some difficulty. This is however a troll thread. I hope you weren't the TC.
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#69 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Or neither and I was bored and you had responded to me....

Ah, so you were trolling. Well, that changes everything...

I didn't say I was trolling. You really are having some difficulty. This is however a troll thread. I hope you weren't the TC.

No, 'I' said you were trolling. And your the having difficulty as anyone who can read can clearly see I didn't create the topic.
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Ah, so you were trolling. Well, that changes everything...

I didn't say I was trolling. You really are having some difficulty. This is however a troll thread. I hope you weren't the TC.

No, 'I' said you were trolling. And your the having difficulty as anyone who can read can clearly see I didn't create the topic.

Ah you were trolling me. Since you assumed trolling...probably because it's something you do but no....I wasn't trolling. If I were I'd have said so. You are confused.
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#71 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I didn't say I was trolling. You really are having some difficulty. This is however a troll thread. I hope you weren't the TC.LJS9502_basic
No, 'I' said you were trolling. And your the having difficulty as anyone who can read can clearly see I didn't create the topic.

Ah you were trolling me. Since you assumed trolling...probably because it's something you do but no....I wasn't trolling. If I were I'd have said so. You are confused.

Yeah well... In any case, you're a moral hypocrite who's obsessed with me and what I post. I'd bet money you respond to me more than you respond to any other user. Admit it.
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#72 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] No, 'I' said you were trolling. And your the having difficulty as anyone who can read can clearly see I didn't create the topic.thebest31406
Ah you were trolling me. Since you assumed trolling...probably because it's something you do but no....I wasn't trolling. If I were I'd have said so. You are confused.

Yeah well... In any case, you're a moral hypocrite who's obsessed with me and what I post. I'd bet money you respond to me more than you respond to any other user. Admit it.

No I don't respond the most to you. Sorry. Hope that doesn't make you cry that you're not important. As for your stupid assumption.....

I don't believe I made any moral statement per this topic. It's too bad you have difficulty with comprehension.

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah you were trolling me. Since you assumed trolling...probably because it's something you do but no....I wasn't trolling. If I were I'd have said so. You are confused.LJS9502_basic

Yeah well... In any case, you're a moral hypocrite who's obsessed with me and what I post. I'd bet money you respond to me more than you respond to any other user. Admit it.

No I don't respond the most to you. Sorry. Hope that doesn't make you cry that you're not important. As for your stupid assumption.....

I don't believe I made any moral statement per this topic. It's too bad you have difficulty with comprehension.

Yeah well, your actions say otherwise. And yeah, you hound my moral philosophy regarding due process. Now, why would you do that?

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[QUOTE="sapphire54"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....

GrayF0X786

 

And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.

yes presumption of innocence, something the west learnt from the Islamic form of justice, yet still cannot implement it to all in the 21st century.

You mean arresting gays and rape victims? Yes Guantanamo is bad, but Islamic "justice" is also bad if not worse. 

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All please that works for all governments. It was mentioned in declaration of human rights, convention for civil and political, article no 14 in us constitution and a million other international treaty which is legally binding to US gov. If you're that religious then why don't you preach in some temple? Bigot. 

innocent until proven guilty in a normal court where the guarantees of the right to defense are secured is something mentioned in every statute, every law, every rule out there. It's nothing new and law people call it the right to defense and right to a fair trial. 

Close Guantanamo

Stop the dronesgamingqueen

Do you understand the concept of prisoner of war? They do not necessarily face a trial, yet they are held without even an evidentiary hearing for extended periods of time. These POWs at least appear to be facing a trial.

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#76 FastEddie2121
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Or they could just rename Gitmo with "Tea Party" in the title and the IRS will then shut it down.
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People who defend this really should feel ashamed. You really do have blood on your hands and refuse to face reality because you can't let go of your damn fantasy the united states is some kind of virtuous nation. dkdk999
So what do you propose, A LOT of posturing in this thread, but no one has any good ideas on what to do with these people. the US proper doesn't want them and if we ship them back to their home countries, they just conspire to kill americans again. So please tell me what you would do given the presidents position. 

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[QUOTE="dkdk999"]People who defend this really should feel ashamed. You really do have blood on your hands and refuse to face reality because you can't let go of your damn fantasy the united states is some kind of virtuous nation. Yusuke420

So what do you propose, A LOT of posturing in this thread, but no one has any good ideas on what to do with these people. the US proper doesn't want them and if we ship them back to their home countries, they just conspire to kill americans again. So please tell me what you would do given the presidents position. 

I would have a big press conference explaining that the US no longer wishes to spend the money to imprison these "people" and that they will all be released on a specific day, time, and place (preferably somewhere in Southern Manhattan) and that at this place no police or guards will be present for the remainder of the day, and that families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks and family members of soldiers killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Beriut, Kuwait, Ft Hood, etc. be given transportation to this location and that they be supplied baseball bats and the like to "welcome" these "people" to America.
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#80 k2theswiss
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stand up for what? shut down Guantanamo? all they going do is move it... 100 million dollar waste 

 

 

there is bigger things to stand up to and shut down That would come with greater change 

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#81 MakeMeaSammitch
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I'm not surprised that you'd stand up for terrorists.