the same way people assume that the prisoners are not innocent....I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
LostProphetFLCL
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the same way people assume that the prisoners are not innocent....I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
LostProphetFLCL
the same way people assume that the prisoners are not innocent....[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]
I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
GrayF0X786
Let me ask you a question, where do you think they are getting these prisoners? Do you think they go around just randomly rounding up people so they can take them back, deny them their rights and torture them while laughing maniacally?
Oh wait, knowing you, you probably do because you are dumb like that....
I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
LostProphetFLCL
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And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
sapphire54
And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.
yes presumption of innocence, something the west learnt from the Islamic form of justice, yet still cannot implement it to all in the 21st century.the same way people assume that the prisoners are not innocent....[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
LostProphetFLCL
Let me ask you a question, where do you think they are getting these prisoners? Do you think they go around just randomly rounding up people so they can take them back, deny them their rights and torture them while laughing maniacally?
Oh wait, knowing you, you probably do because you are dumb like that....
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
sapphire54
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And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.
Which government do you live under that doesn't arrest/detain those suspected of crime?The way some people go on in here, you'd think they reside in one of the Asian countries where you are guilty until you can prove your innocence.
Innocent until proven guilty, the country's criminal justice system in built on it. If you don't agree with it take it up with the entire criminal justice system - not with those being ridden of thier rights and being treated contrary to what the established rules of justice are here.
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
LJS9502_basic
And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.
Which government do you live under that doesn't arrest/detain those suspected of crime? the one that shoots a teenager in a boat leaving him in a critical condition and then runs his brother over with a van i'm guessing.don't get me started on the drones :)
I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
LostProphetFLCL
That's no different than ascertaining that they are quilty merely because of the prejudice that people developed over what type of person is being conveyed as the usual terrorists nowadays.
[QUOTE="thebest31406"]Well I know it doesn't mean shit to you because you're a hypocrite who's oblivious to immoral crimes committed by the state. Actually, you're worst. Those who are oblivious tend to say "eh" or "I don't care", where as you actually support this. So, you a hypocrite with no moral compass whatsoever. I didn't address that question in this thread. Stop assuming what I think fool. Yet you care enough to address my statement, which means that you're either a hypocrite, you're obsessed with me or both.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah that doesn't mean shit dude. Each government sets it's own laws. Since we're talking about the US...US law apply. Shouldn't take an Einstein to figure that out.....LJS9502_basic
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
LJS9502_basic
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And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.
Which government do you live under that doesn't arrest/detain those suspected of crime?All please that works for all governments. It was mentioned in declaration of human rights, convention for civil and political, article no 14 in us constitution and a million other international treaty which is legally binding to US gov. If you're that religious then why don't you preach in some temple? Bigot.Â
innocent until proven guilty in a normal court where the guarantees of the right to defense are secured is something mentioned in every statute, every law, every rule out there. It's nothing new and law people call it the right to defense and right to a fair trial.Â
Close Guantanamo
Stop the drones
I didn't address that question in this thread. Stop assuming what I think fool. Yet you care enough to address my statement, which means that you're either a hypocrite, you're obsessed with me or both. Or neither and I was bored and you had responded to me....[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Well I know it doesn't mean shit to you because you're a hypocrite who's oblivious to immoral crimes committed by the state. Actually, you're worst. Those who are oblivious tend to say "eh" or "I don't care", where as you actually support this. So, you a hypocrite with no moral compass whatsoever.
thebest31406
Which government do you live under that doesn't arrest/detain those suspected of crime?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sapphire54"]
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And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.
gamingqueen
All please that works for all governments. It was mentioned in declaration of human rights, convention for civil and political, article no 14 in us constitution and a million other international treaty which is legally binding to US gov. If you're that religious then why don't you preach in some temple? Bigot.Â
innocent until proven guilty in a normal court where the guarantees of the right to defense are secured is something mentioned in every statute, every law, every rule out there. It's nothing new and law people call it the right to defense and right to a fair trial.Â
Close Guantanamo
Stop the drones
Let me clear up your confusion. It may say innocent until proved guilty but governments sure as hell can arrest and detain pretrial.[QUOTE="thebest31406"]Yet you care enough to address my statement, which means that you're either a hypocrite, you're obsessed with me or both. Or neither and I was bored and you had responded to me.... Ah, so you were trolling. Well, that changes everything...[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I didn't address that question in this thread. Stop assuming what I think fool.LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Yet you care enough to address my statement, which means that you're either a hypocrite, you're obsessed with me or both.thebest31406Or neither and I was bored and you had responded to me.... Ah, so you were trolling. Well, that changes everything...I didn't say I was trolling. You really are having some difficulty. This is however a troll thread. I hope you weren't the TC.
[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I didn't say I was trolling. You really are having some difficulty. This is however a troll thread. I hope you weren't the TC.LJS9502_basicNo, 'I' said you were trolling. And your the having difficulty as anyone who can read can clearly see I didn't create the topic. Ah you were trolling me. Since you assumed trolling...probably because it's something you do but no....I wasn't trolling. If I were I'd have said so. You are confused. Yeah well... In any case, you're a moral hypocrite who's obsessed with me and what I post. I'd bet money you respond to me more than you respond to any other user. Admit it.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] No, 'I' said you were trolling. And your the having difficulty as anyone who can read can clearly see I didn't create the topic.thebest31406Ah you were trolling me. Since you assumed trolling...probably because it's something you do but no....I wasn't trolling. If I were I'd have said so. You are confused. Yeah well... In any case, you're a moral hypocrite who's obsessed with me and what I post. I'd bet money you respond to me more than you respond to any other user. Admit it. No I don't respond the most to you. Sorry. Hope that doesn't make you cry that you're not important. As for your stupid assumption.....
I don't believe I made any moral statement per this topic. It's too bad you have difficulty with comprehension.
Yeah well... In any case, you're a moral hypocrite who's obsessed with me and what I post. I'd bet money you respond to me more than you respond to any other user. Admit it. No I don't respond the most to you. Sorry. Hope that doesn't make you cry that you're not important. As for your stupid assumption.....[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah you were trolling me. Since you assumed trolling...probably because it's something you do but no....I wasn't trolling. If I were I'd have said so. You are confused.LJS9502_basic
I don't believe I made any moral statement per this topic. It's too bad you have difficulty with comprehension.
Yeah well, your actions say otherwise. And yeah, you hound my moral philosophy regarding due process. Now, why would you do that?[QUOTE="sapphire54"]
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I love how people seem to assume that the prisoners in Gitmo are really innocent....
GrayF0X786
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And there are those among us who believe in the notion, of innocent until proven guilty.
yes presumption of innocence, something the west learnt from the Islamic form of justice, yet still cannot implement it to all in the 21st century.You mean arresting gays and rape victims? Yes Guantanamo is bad, but Islamic "justice" is also bad if not worse.ÂAll please that works for all governments. It was mentioned in declaration of human rights, convention for civil and political, article no 14 in us constitution and a million other international treaty which is legally binding to US gov. If you're that religious then why don't you preach in some temple? Bigot.ÂDo you understand the concept of prisoner of war? They do not necessarily face a trial, yet they are held without even an evidentiary hearing for extended periods of time. These POWs at least appear to be facing a trial.innocent until proven guilty in a normal court where the guarantees of the right to defense are secured is something mentioned in every statute, every law, every rule out there. It's nothing new and law people call it the right to defense and right to a fair trial.Â
Close Guantanamo
Stop the dronesgamingqueen
People who defend this really should feel ashamed. You really do have blood on your hands and refuse to face reality because you can't let go of your damn fantasy the united states is some kind of virtuous nation. dkdk999So what do you propose, A LOT of posturing in this thread, but no one has any good ideas on what to do with these people. the US proper doesn't want them and if we ship them back to their home countries, they just conspire to kill americans again. So please tell me what you would do given the presidents position.Â
So what do you propose, A LOT of posturing in this thread, but no one has any good ideas on what to do with these people. the US proper doesn't want them and if we ship them back to their home countries, they just conspire to kill americans again. So please tell me what you would do given the presidents position. I would have a big press conference explaining that the US no longer wishes to spend the money to imprison these "people" and that they will all be released on a specific day, time, and place (preferably somewhere in Southern Manhattan) and that at this place no police or guards will be present for the remainder of the day, and that families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks and family members of soldiers killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Beriut, Kuwait, Ft Hood, etc. be given transportation to this location and that they be supplied baseball bats and the like to "welcome" these "people" to America.[QUOTE="dkdk999"]People who defend this really should feel ashamed. You really do have blood on your hands and refuse to face reality because you can't let go of your damn fantasy the united states is some kind of virtuous nation. Yusuke420
stand up for what? shut down Guantanamo? all they going do is move it... 100 million dollar wasteÂ
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there is bigger things to stand up to and shut down That would come with greater changeÂ
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